No, this is not us. Yes, there is more of this than at any time in my lifetime, but most of us are appalled at this stuff. I think the present administration got elected on mostly economic issues, an anti-government sentiment among many especially the very wealthy and the economically struggling and the Dems running a poor candidate and lousy campaign...most Americans are good people, but Nazis!!!
Did that many people really have doubts about that?
Yes I think they did.
Kamala didn't really have a chance; Biden should have said right at the start of his presidency that he would be a one-term president. Then there could have been a proper passing of the baton.
That said, Kamala ran an extremely poor campaign, which was basically Hillary 2.0. She counted on people voting for her because she's not Trump, didn't offer anything concrete and new, and relied on star-power to get her through the door, shown by the number of times her campaign would sweep in, and then sweep out after the requisite photo-ops/endorsements. Hate to say it, but Trump's campaign actually engaged at the community level all over America. I doubt he meant a word of it, but it worked.
The Dems, however, were just as disillusioned with Kamala as they were with Hillary, which showed in the poor voter turnout, handing Trump the White House, again, with just a few tens of thousands of votes in the swing states.
@SW-User ok, but nothing new doesn't sound worse to me than a dictator who promised to abolish the constitution and to ruin the economy. What am I missing here, other than racism and misogyny?
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@NerdyPotato Well there was a strong misogynistic vibe as well. Americans aren't ready for a female president.
And freedom of speech makes it impossible to do anything about it unless you're doing something illegal. - And they aren't limited to one particular area.
@Pretzel However, you can bet that Trump, and by proxy, Elon, will use the power of the office to punish whichever dissenters have legally exercised their First Amendment rights. You’re seeing it with these mass firings.
@Pretzel I understood exactly why he pardoned his son, even if he hadn’t originally planned to. He wasn’t going to leave Hunter at the mercy of Trump’s notorious vindictiveness.
Yes it is. In many places. They don't care about WWII. Weak minds fueling their egos thru hate and feeling superior, important. Florida and Texas and other red states are hot beds for them. Trump wants to be a dictator. He's said it publicly. I have a feeling you're going to want to stay in the UK. Unless some miracle happens, the states aren't going to be anything close to a democracy when he's finished. History repeats itself when the people turn a blind eye to it.
@Elisbch Like it or not its protected under the First Amendment, in all 50 states. It happened under Kennedy, Carter, Clinton, Obama and Biden as well.
Claiming otherwise is either out of ignorance .. or attempts to use the ignorance of others to manipulate their thinking.
Saw the above and remembered this... [media=https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ToKcmnrE5oY]
It maybe sums up the problem with these people. They see themselves as the goodies, the heroes. It's revealing that the Nazis of WW2 did see themselves as heroic. That even the evil they did, like the Holocaust, was a necessary evil. That it demonstrated their "heroism" that they would do whatever they saw as necessary for that "higher purpose. And it is a warning to us all. Inflicting cruelty is never justified, is never acceptable.
No, incredibly they just think the wrong side won.
This happened in Lincoln Heights, Ohio, a largely African American neighborhood. The residents stood up to them, burned one of their flags, and ran them off. And were outraged that the police, whose salaries are paid for by taxpaying residents, were there to protect the Nazis.
@bijouxbroussard That has nothing to do w who is president. The First Amendment gives them the right to assemble and to protection from violence if they do. The klan has done the same thing in other places. So have Palestine/Hamas supporters, Black Lives Matter, and a host of others and it goes back longer than you or I have lived.
As hard to accept as it is at times with the nature of some groups, its protected under our constitution.
@BrandNewMan It’s true, but MAGA has brought a lot of such people out of the woodwork and emboldened them. Incidentally, you won’t find blacks marching with the KKK or Neo-Nazis, but plenty of whites were involved in BLM, because the latter wasn’t initially hate-based and exclusive.
One of the things that's appalling to me is how often swastika bearing folks are tolerated at demonstrations for Trump. It's horrifying that self-described American patriots SILENTLY ASSENT to Nazis in their midst. Repeatedly.
@NerdyPotato that 1% owns the military, what more do you need to know? A couple hundred million Americans know that their government will turn on them. If anything, that's what they're hoping for, so they can finally put us all in our place, as traitors.
Come on over and try starting a fire, all Americans know what happens when you do that. And what about the millions of people that believe in maga? My neighbors. You want me to go get them? Alone with my child?
They created a society to manipulate. America is young in comparison to other countries. We clearly haven't gotten it all figured out. But you really aren't grasping that votes don't really matter. And that's creating an illusion, that we have a voice. Maybe 20 years ago we were trying.
But tbh, judge however you want. Watch innocent people burn because we asked for it whatever. I asked for it.
Watch innocent people burn because we asked for it whatever. I asked for it.
I didn't say that and I won't stand by watching people burn.
And as for the risks: that's why votes are anonymous. Maybe you're right and voting doesn't matter. I'm not sure... I only know that doing nothing guarantees that the 1% will do what they want as opposed to that being likely.
Anyway, it's only speculation now anyway. The past election can't be changed anymore and there probably won't be any future ones, at least not like we knew them. Good luck with the situation and stay safe... 🫂
@Subsumedpat Yep. Protected under the First Amendment. This has happened as far back its passing. The right is granted to everyone .. even those we disagree with.
Yes unfortunately we have Nazis we have religious zealots we have is jihadists we have cartels we have extremists on all sides KKK Black Panthers La Raza we have all kinds of hate groups here they have been here and unfortunately they will continue to be here and there is nothing we can do because unfortunately the courts have ruled hate speech is also covered under the First Amendment this is nothing new unfortunately
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No they didn't forget. They just don't care. Which is not surprising when America has an unelected president with, shall we say, "leanings..."
@BrandNewMan Here's Musk appearing via video link at an election rally by the far right AfD party in Germany. The AfD have been charged with promoting Nazi ideology and using terminology specifically associated with the Nazi SA (SS). There's nothing out of context about it, except to Fascists like yourself. Deny it all you like. Fascists are notorious for denying historical facts that they find embarrassing.
Having found a description of them, I would say they do not "forget" but choose not to learn.
They were not there so have nothing to "forget". I don't suppose many of these offensive but really rather childish clowns were even born before the1960s. More likely they deliberately ignore the Nazi regime's utter barbarity, but proudly support Hitler's racism including anti-Semitism, and homophobia.
My, aren't they brave! I expect they have looked at plenty of photographs of the real Nazi rallies and the like, and were impressed by the smart parade uniforms and trappings but failed to spot those 1930s men, for all their evil intent, did not hide behind face coverings.
I thought it rather ironical that this anti-freedom outfit's founder had been a Marine in the service of the nation that calls itself "The Land Of The Free" in which people like these ones have the right to proclaim their anti-freedom mantras.
After what the FBI put our country through, by disguising themselves as Trump protesters on January 6th, I don't even trust that these are real Nazis. For all we know, they are the FBI again.
No, they have it straight. The war wasn't anti fascist. War is fascist and the USA was never anti fascist. A review or continue? Everyone says continue!
They are clearly mental cases. No normal person would parade around in Nazi uniforms with swastikas. They could potentially be dangerous. Get in some range time people.
@black4white actually you haven't kept current. That's so over. The German right is back. Nazis are good again in the West. The USA leads the way,! Deny that you're at war against Russia. Deny the austerity in Europe and the USA.
@Roundandroundwego yeah they got to Germany and took a right and kept going till they got to USA where the ignorant is coddled and it’s ok to hate cuz ….why not
@hippyjoe1955 so is ideology. And a leftist ideology is what threatens the war, religion doesn't seem to. So no ideology! No way you grasp the anti war values of an ordinary communist; because war is your ideology. Winning & being Uber alles.
@Roundandroundwego The most deadly ideology in the history of mankind is socialism in all its forms. Millions of dead Ukraine thanks to Soviet Union socialism. Millions more dead in Socialist Germany. Even more millions dead in Socialist China. How many millions of dead Americans & Canadians thanks to socialism's eugenics AKA abortion.
After capturing Berlin the USA saved the fascist military men and sent them to South America to kill socialism there. See Chile, Argentina, Brazil... It was a passing of the baton to the Americans. Even the Zionist project passed to the willing fascist USA!
@SumKindaMunster Exactly. Why highlight what a few wackos do and call it "this is America". People who hate America do that. Browse through the comments here and you'll see I'm correct.
@ArishMell Russia and China were bedfellows for a period after WW2, but it didn't last. The Soviets were planning a nuclear strike in 1969, following the Zhenbao Island "incident", but wanted the USA to stand aside. They wouldn't guarantee that and so the strike was cancelled.
@22Michelle Thank you for explaining that. I wonder how many other Cold War close shaves there have been? The Cuban Missile Crisis is perhaps the best known, but there was also another when almost by luck a senior Soviet officer advised anti-ICBM radar operators to look again... at reflections from clouds.
