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If it's morally acceptable to kill animals for the sensory pleasure of eating meat, is it also ok to kill them for other sensory pleasures?

i.e. some people might enjoy hearing their screams or listening to the sound of the blood spurting out of their slit throats

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SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP

There's people like that, actually there was some talk about reddit groups that have thousands of followers in which people share animal torture stories and get off on it. There's a lot of those people out there and often times they look perfectly normal. They could be a dad or a mom or your sister or your brother or your friend and secretly doing that.

So that's a good point you made, I mean why isn't it okay? I obviously think it's wrong but for the people who honestly enjoy animal torture (which there is a lot of, just look at how many members those groups have) they would tell us the same thing you did. Who are we to tell them that they can't enjoy it but we can slaughter cow's throats for meat?

WhateverWorks · 36-40

I don’t eat meat only for the sensory pleasure that it tastes good. I eat it for the nutritional value. My body did not take well to being a vegetarian.

spjennifer · 56-60, T

Man is an omnivore, we'll eat whatever we can to survive. That being said, I eat meat and I do enjoy it. Can you say for certain that vegetables don't feel us boiling and eating them? 😃

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BlueVeins · 22-25

@spjennifer I ain't sayin' that anyone's perfect my dawg, my point is that veganism causes much less damage to the environment and sentient life than an omnivorous diet. I don't even think most omnis are bad people, I think good people will do bad things if it's normalized by society.

spjennifer · 56-60, T

@BlueVeins It has been normalized since the late 1800's so it would take some massive catastrophic event for things to change now, something like a mass extinction event or we run out of resources like water. We no longer have the ability to feed all the population we have through normal farming where people actually work their own land, there are just too many of us. I think it's the Corporations that are to blame, mostly in the name of profit. Perhaps one day what was predicted by movies such as Soylent Green may one day happen?

spjennifer · 56-60, T

@SatanBurger

When there's animals, we have to figure out more and more ways to feed entire populations to support supply/demand issues because they don't just grow on trees.

This means stuffing animals with growth hormones, having cows be pregnant every day of their lives until their insides have collapsed on the outside and figure out how to milk to fit so much demand for our food.

Sadly, this is exactly what's happening but I don't see a way at this time for it to change much, it would take a mass extinction event to reduce the population enough for something to be done about it.

It's not sustainable which is why they are trying to figure out lab grown meat. People hide behind veganism for lab grown meat but the problem is a more dire one, animal farming isn't sustainable as people think and slowly the world is running out of resources.

Agreed, and I think what will eventually cause the downfall will be a lack of fresh water as it is the most basic need to sustain life, without water, nothing survives, not Humans, not animals, not plants. The reason more and more people are eating like Americans is because the American Corporations are driving it to increase their profits, the planet and Mankind be damned.

Entheesa · 31-35, F

No because if you enjoy listening to animals scream, you’re not right in the head. If you enjoy the taste of meat, you’re completely natural.

It’s like asking: If it’s morally OK to enjoy sex, is pedophilia also OK? Because some people might enjoy having sex with children.

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SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP

@BlueVeins Vitamin D is common even for meat eaters, there's varying things that make up whether a person is perpetually low in vitamin D or not. Genetics, smoking, bacteria (steals vitamins sometimes as shown with B12 also known as bacterial thieves,) lifestyle choices, less sun, lactose intolerance can all cause low vitamin D levels.

And I can guarantee that a good 60% of meat eaters are also lactose intolerant and don't even know it, which has the historically low numbers of vitamin D and they're not even vegan.

specman · 51-55, M

@SatanBurger so it’s settled we’ll eat humans to solve the population problem.

SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP

@specman I just put hyperbole in my comment because that was sarcasm.

Carla · 61-69, F

That's a valid question.
I will say though, that sustenance is also attached.

BlueVeins · 22-25

@Carla Definitely for impoverished people, or folks with certain debilitating physiological conditions. Not for the vast majority of people here in the developed world though.

ozgirl512 · 26-30, F

Animals kill other animals for food... It's nature way... To kill them for pleasure i think is wrong... Many traditional cultures thank the animal the the gift they give... They show respect for its spirit

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BlueVeins · 22-25

@ozgirl512 I think they would also prefer that. They don't even know about our cultural beliefs, let alone feel better about dying because of them.

ozgirl512 · 26-30, F

@BlueVeins very true ... But i think it places a moral obligation on the hunter to respect the animal and take only what is necessary

BlueVeins · 22-25

@ozgirl512 Sure, if it's their only way of surviving, using as few animals as possible to absolute completion is the most morally sound way of goin' about it. But most of us here in the developed world don't need to eat meat to survive and be healthy, you know?

ozgirl512 · 26-30, F

It does happen in nature too you know.
Are you going to impose your morals on the animal kingdom?

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BlueVeins · 22-25

@ozgirl512 A'ight, so that sorta implies that you don't want to hold humans & non-human animals to the same moral standards. Is that an accurate assessment?

ozgirl512 · 26-30, F

@BlueVeins i think so... We supposedly have reason and intellect

BlueVeins · 22-25

@ozgirl512 Yes. I don't consider it practical to try and change the behavior of wild animals and stuff because they simply do not and cannot understand our concerns (& because almost all of them don't really have much of a choice). I do think it's worth reasoning with humans, since we're capable of considering the ethical implications of our actions and changing our behavior. Plus, most of us (who have internet access) aren't eating eat just to survive.

deadgerbil · 22-25

One's health does not depend on hearing the screams of animals, whereas meat is apart of what many consider to be a healthy diet.

I hope that artificial meat will replace meat taken from animals, as the farming industry is pretty cruel. Once artificial/lab grown meat becomes readily available and not expensive, then there's no excuse to eating natural meat.

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deadgerbil · 22-25

@BlueVeins

And you cropped it down to exclude the parts that it supports my argument after the fact

Factually false. I pasted the following quote originally:

and healthy proteins like nuts, beans, fish, and chicken should make it into the shopping cart every week

You decided to go crazy eyed and zero in on the "nuts and beans, my dude."

So, you can not say I cropped anything that supports your argument when I literally included beans and nuts. The very things to zeroed in on.

I then shortened the quote to help you out as you are struggling lol
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My original comment said that many consider meat inclusion to be healthy.

And, what do you know, Harvard also says that

fish, and chicken should make it into the shopping cart every week

BlueVeins · 22-25

@deadgerbil a'ight I can tell you're not gonna admit that you're wrong no matter what I say at this point, so I'm just gonna move on.

deadgerbil · 22-25

@BlueVeins feel free to think you're taking some sort of moral high ground lol

You likened the consumption/pleasure derived of/from meat, which has a nutritional basis, to people getting pleasure from hearing animals scream, which has no value of providing sustenance. False equivalence much...

That right there shows you didn't create this post on good faith and it's lost on you lol

And the humourous thing is that you said many entities don't call for meat consumption, when this food 'pyramid', created by pooling together various research, calls for meat.

Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M

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And then when you're sitting in the stand and something like this steps out in front of you the inner cave man leaps into action.

WintaTheAngle · 41-45, M

I don’t enjoy killing then, but I do enjoy eating them. And I believe it’s an element of a balanced diet. A tasty one at that.

Medoesnotcare · 22-25, FVIP

And I get shitted on cause I say people are bad parents 🤣 but you can post this snd it’s ok

BlueVeins · 22-25

@Medoesnotcare ma'am have you seen the replies

LeopoldBloom · M

If it’s wrong to kill animals, why is it OK to kill plants?

BlueVeins · 22-25

@LeopoldBloom Because most animals are sentient and plants are not.

LeopoldBloom · M

@BlueVeins So if animals are raised humanely and are killed quickly without feeling any fear, what's the problem? Temple Grandin has come up with ways to do this.

Also, there is some evidence that plants are sentient.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/12/23/the-intelligent-plant

InOtterWords · F

Killing a creature for pleasure is never ok.

I am divided about the killing for meat because i do feel guilty about it, but i do enjoy eating meat. I have been vegetarian at times in my life but i am really prone to anaemia and so have gone back to eating meat

BlueVeins · 22-25

@InOtterWords Yeah, you may very well fall into the minority of people who have a perfectly good reason for it.

InOtterWords · F

@BlueVeins i used to get really ill, even with iron supplements

eMortal · M

It is not for solely for the sensory pleasure of the eating meets. Animal proteins can’t be replaced beans or soy.

BlueVeins · 22-25

@eMortal Yeah it can, I do it every day. 🤠

caccoon · 36-40

And the killing isn't even the worst part. It's a small and horrible mercy at the ends of their (usually incredibly) miserable, unhealthy lives

Factory farming is complete shit

Snowvixen

If you enjoy that you are one step before becoming a serial killer.

Fukfacewillie · 51-55, M

I'm not aware of people who kill animals for the sensory pleasure of eating meat. Meat tastes good as a result of evolution.

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Fukfacewillie · 51-55, M

@BlueVeins Meat is delicious but if it had no sustenance I wouldn’t eat it. This seems pretty simple. 🤷‍♂️

BlueVeins · 22-25

@Fukfacewillie Well what if it had sustenance but had the same taste & texture as lentils?

Fukfacewillie · 51-55, M

@BlueVeins sounds good, but I’ll miss lentils.☺️

DDonde · 31-35, M

That's not normally pleasurable to listen to and probably an interest that shouldn't be cultivated.

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BlueVeins · 22-25

@Piper sadly this comment was hidden but i appreciate the thought that went into this. Yeah, bacon is an especially egregious example.

Piper · 61-69, F

@BlueVeins I wonder why it was hidden. I don't think bacon is the most egregious example at all, just one of the most frequently mentioned ones concerning people eating meat just because it tastes good.

BlueVeins · 22-25

@Piper Maybe the word pleasure

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