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Be honest: when you read the bible what makes you think it is of divine origin? [Spirituality & Religion]

There was a time in my life where i really wanted to believe and i tried hard to have faith and asked with all my heart that god reveal himself to me. But predictably he did not. And the more i read, the more it became obvious to me that the bible was the work of men.
So base and petty and violent. This was not the work of an enlightened being.

So what makes you feel that the bible is of divine origin?

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daydeeo · 61-69, M

+Have you read the New Testament?
You don't claim that the words of Jesus were petty, base and violent, do you?

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CookieLuvsBunny · 31-35, F

@Speedyman The original texts don't exist so there is no way of knowing what they say. The older the manuscripts, the more factual errors they contain. If you have really done any amount of actual study you would know this.

[quote]. The only people who will argue with this help people who are totally uninformed
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The only people who will argue with this are people reading the same Sunday School tract over and over in their basement

CookieLuvsBunny · 31-35, F

1 John 5:7-8

[i]"For there are three that testify: in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one. And there are three that testify on earth: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree."[/i]

Most modern English translations don't contain the italicized portion above, but the King James and New King James do. So which is it? Is it supposed to be in—or out?

The majority of the earliest manuscripts do not contain the questionable section, but it found its way into the King James translation in the 17th century, which didn't utilize the earliest manuscripts. Most scholars, even very conservative ones, conclude that this section was not in the original writing.

Speedyman · 70-79, M

I see you have found a website that quotes this. Most manuscripts do not have v 7 so we can assume it is a later addition. Most modern translations have it in parenthesis. The part that is in the original Greek reads: “For there are three that testify: the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:7-8‬ ‭NIV‬‬
@CookieLuvsBunny

OggggO · 36-40, M

Regarding the bible specifically, when I read certain parts of it, most prominently the Gospels, I have a feeling I can’t quite put into words. A feeling of holiness and rightness that seems to both emanate from the pages and fill me from within. Obviously I can’t prove that this feeling isn’t there just because I expect something to be there, but it seems real, and important, to me.

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OggggO · 36-40, M

@LeopoldBloom But do the workers in the military own the means of destruction?

LeopoldBloom · M

@OggggO I don't think that matters. Under a socialized medicine system, a doctor wouldn't necessarily own the X-ray machine he uses. In fact, they wouldn't own anything - all of the equipment would be owned by the government, same as in the military. Soldiers are just employees; they don't own anything, their employer does.

Wait, I'm being too literal. "Means of destruction" - that's pretty good.

OggggO · 36-40, M

@LeopoldBloom Wish I could claim credit, or at least remember who I stole that from.

CookieLuvsBunny · 31-35, F

@Speedyman

God must have been on a smoke break when he inspired 1 John
Actually, 1 John is pseudepigraphical

Some textual variants in 1 John:

1 John 3:1

MT/TR: Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him.
CT: Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! And we are. Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him.

1 John 4:3

MT/TR: and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.
CT: and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

1 John 5:13

MT/TR: These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.
CT: These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.

Textual variants in the Gospel of John Chapter 1:

John 1:15:
TEXT: "cried out, saying, 'This was [he] of whom I said, The One who comes after me'"
EVIDENCE: p66 p75 Sb A B3 C3 D* {Db} K L {W(supp) X} Delta Theta Pi Psi f1 f13 28 33 565 700 892 1010 1241 Byz Lect lat {earlier vg} later vg syr cop
TRANSLATIONS: KJV ASV RSV NASV NIV NEB TEV
RANK: A

NOTES: "cried out, saying (this was the one who said), 'The One who comes after me'"
EVIDENCE: Sa B* C*
TRANSLATIONS: ASVn

OTHER: "cried out, 'This was the One who comes after me, who'"
EVIDENCE: S*

COMMENTS: The evidence listed in braces reads "I said to plyou." The words "to plyou" are a natural addition, the kind copyists often made. Apparently some copyists changed "This was [he] of whom I said" because there is no record of John's having previously said this.

John 1:18:
TEXT: "the only unique God, who is in the bosom"
EVIDENCE: p66 p75 S B C* L 33 syr(p) cop(north)
TRANSLATIONS: ASVn RSVn NASV NIV NEBn TEV
RANK: B

NOTES: "the only unique Son, who is in the bosom"
EVIDENCE: A C3 K X {W(supp)} Delta Theta Pi Psi f1 f13 28 565 700 892 1010 1241 Byz Lect {most lat} most vg syr(c,h,pal)
TRANSLATIONS: KJV ASV RSV NASVn NIVn NEB

NOTES: "the only unique One, who is in the bosom"
EVIDENCE: one vulgate manuscript
TRANSLATIONS: NEBn

OTHER: "the only unique Son, God, who is in the bosom"
EVIDENCE: cop(south)?

COMMENTS: The evidence in braces contains an abbreviation of "only unique" and precedes it with "except." Although it is possible that "Son" was replaced by "God" by an early Alexandrian copyist (the difference is only one of one letter in abbreviated form), it is more likely that "God" was here replaced by "Son" to make this verse read like John 3:16, 18; and I John 4:9. The omission of both "God" and "Son" by one manuscript would seem to be a mistake of the eye.

John 1:28:
TEXT: "These things happened in Bethany on the other side"
EVIDENCE: p59vid p66 p75 S* A B C* L W(supp) X Delta Theta Psi* 28 565 700 892* 1010 1241 some Byz Lect lat vg syr(p,h) most syr(pal) cop(north)
TRANSLATIONS: ASV RSV NASV NIV NEB TEV
RANK: C

NOTES: "These things happened in Bethabarah on the other side"
EVIDENCE: C2 K Pi Psic 083 0113 f1 f13 33 some Byz syr(c,s) one syr(pal) cop(south)
TRANSLATIONS: KJV ASVn

NOTES: "These things happened in Betharabah on the other side"
EVIDENCE: Sb 892variant
TRANSLATIONS: ASVn

COMMENTS: The location of "Bethany on the other side of the Jordan" is unknown; therefore commentators such as Origen and John Chrysostom favored "Bethabarah" to avoid confusion with the Bethany near Jerusalem. The location of Bethabarah is also unknown. "Betharabah" is a misspelling of "Bethabarah."

John 1:34:
TEXT: "testified that this is the Son of God."
EVIDENCE: p66 p75 Sc A B C K L P W(supp) X Delta Theta Pi Psi 083 f1 f13 28 33 565 700 892 1010 1241 Byz Lect most lat vg syr(p,h) one syr(pal) ("only unique Son") cop(north)
TRANSLATIONS: KJV ASV RSV NASV NIV NEBn TEV
RANK: B

NOTES: "testified that this is the Chosen One of God."
EVIDENCE: p5vid S* three lat syr(c,s)
TRANSLATIONS: NEB

OTHER: "testified that this is the chosen Son of God."
EVIDENCE: two lat most syr(pal) cop(south)

COMMENTS: Although it is possible that "Chosen One" was changed by copyists to the more familiar "Son," the word "Son" is found in all but two Greek manuscripts from several different kinds of ancient text.

John 1:41:
TEXT: "He first found* [his] own brother Simon"
EVIDENCE: p66 p75 Sc A B X Theta Pi Psi 083 f1 f13 892 most lat vg syr(p,h) syr(pal)? cop
TRANSLATIONS: KJV ASV RSV NASV NIV NEB TEV
RANK: B

NOTES: "The first one found* [his] own brother Simon"
EVIDENCE: S* K L W(supp) Delta 28 565 700 1010 1241 Byz Lect syr(pal)?
TRANSLATIONS: none

NOTES: "In the morning he found* [his] own brother Simon""
EVIDENCE: four lat
TRANSLATIONS: NEBn

COMMENTS: There is only one letter difference between the text and first reading in the notes; there is only three letters difference between the text and the second reading in the notes. The reading in the text is supported by early manuscripts from several types of ancient text.

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Speedyman · 70-79, M

But they could all be alleviated by now in many countries if it were not for human greed. I was in an African country where you can actually dig gold out of the soil. It is fabulously rich in minerals but the inhabitants are poor and so we asked our hosts why that people were so poor and they only told us that it was through corrupt government and human gree it is fabulously rich in minerals but the inhabitants are poor and so we asked our hosts why that people were so poor and they told us that it was through corrupt government and human greed@CookieLuvsBunny

CookieLuvsBunny · 31-35, F

@Speedyman
I agree with you completely that greed and corruption are major sources of poverty and misery all over the globe

Speedyman · 70-79, M

Oh good! We agree on something! 😊@CookieLuvsBunny

suzie1960 · 61-69, F

I was much the same. The majority of those who believe the bible don't know what it actually says.

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ContributorJo · 51-55, M

@Carazaa I thought you were making serious if confused arguments till you pulled Satan out of your ass in a desperation move to refute the more studied arguments by others here. Now I'm wondering if you're just trolling people.

Budwick · 70-79, M

@suzie1960 [quote]LOL! I know a lot of real scientists and not one genuinely believes in "god"[/quote]

Well, I guess we have all the scientific evidence we need now.
Cuz, as everyone knows, it boils down to the number of [u]real [/u]scientists that believe in God to determine whether God exists or not.

Speaking of funding, how many scientists, [u]real [/u]scientists might lose their funding if the openly express a belief in God? Cuz I know like meteorologists lose accreditation if they don't support climate change.

ContributorJo · 51-55, M

@Carazaa What is your field of study?

Harriet03 · 41-45, F

[image deleted]Prove me wrong!!

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GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

@Harriet03 [quote]All men think there God[/quote]

Not all men, my friend. You don't know the love Jesus has for you because you don't know Him. I wonder how many times you've been hurt by others who mocked and ridiculed you because they didn't know you for who you are.

Harriet03 · 41-45, F

@GodSpeed63 I've seen what's been done, in his name!

GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

@Harriet03 [quote]I've seen what's been done, in his name![/quote]

So have I. I've seen people heeled of diseases, families received their loved back from the dead, miracles of people free of their addictions, all in the name of Jesus. I don't know what you've seen but I tell you, people can do horrible things to one another in His name and they think they're doing Him a service. They couldn't be further from the truth. The trouble with you is, you don't know Him or those who follow Him in deed and in truth.

Moosepantspatty · 31-35, M

I asked a friend a similar question back in high school. If we take faith in God as concrete evidence of its existence, than the ten commandments were the only concrete laws written by God.

The bible is never claimed as being written [i]by[/i] god, and it wasnt penned by Jesus, who is the only other uncorruptable entity. The closest thing we have to a bible being penned directly by anything with a direct tie to God is the Codex Gigas.

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Speedyman · 70-79, M

Yes as long as you assume current trends which of course statisticians do. If you look at history you will see they don't always square. Not all of us blithely belueve these assumptions, @Bushranger

Bushranger · 70-79, M

@Speedyman True, they don't always square, but they do enough times to make them useful. No, I don't blithely believe assumptions, I've done enough science in the past to know better. But I also don't take things on faith either.

Did you read the article? Your silence would suggest that you haven't.

Speedyman · 70-79, M

No I haven't been ablr to get it up. If you don't enough science you know things like this are highly unpredictable@Bushranger

SW-User

You're basically indoctrinated to believe in it and feel happy if you follow what it says 'cause it makes you feel like a good person and promises heaven and all so people follow it blindly 'cause it makes them feel good about themselves.

But once you actually start reading what's written in it as you grow older you notice stuff which goes against your innate sense of right and wrong and personally it started to make me really uncomfortable yet fascinated and I'd read the most controversial parts.

And slowly I started to realize I was not in agreement with some of the stuff it said and it felt like I was being forced to believe in something which went against my common sense and morality. I wasn't happy anymore and it was a mental struggle to accept what my mind was telling me was wrong. So I just broke and stopped believing one day and I no longer have to go through that mental torture.

I don't know if any of the religions or god is real or not but I definitely was not going to go against my own basic sense of right and wrong so religion is simply not for me

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SW-User

@TheWildEcho how come they turned to Christianity and not Judaism or Islam or Buddhism? Simple, 'cause of geography since that was the predominant religion in their 'area' and all 3 Abrahamic religions are quite similar and give a different version of the same story. There's no reason to choose one over the other apart from cultural reasons

TheWildEcho · 56-60, M

@SW-User because God spoke His truth to them

SW-User

😂😂😂😂😂@TheWildEcho

GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

The history it holds throughout the ages and the different people God worked with to write it.

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Carazaa · F

Jesus is God in the flesh. Only God can pay the punishment for your sins, not any human " In the beginning was the word, and the word was God, and the word became flesh and dwelt among us" "but the world did not receive him" John 1:1

CookieLuvsBunny · 31-35, F

@Carazaa That doesn't answer the question. Why would "God" make such a world to begin with

Carazaa · F

He made the world to show us how much he loves us. And he says there is a plan for all of us, and to trust Him. He says that one day we will see perfectly. There is a war going on between God and Satan and we are his workers. God says "We are Gods workmanship created in Christ Jesus to do good works, prepared in advance for us to do." Eph 2:10 There is a spiritual warfare, and angels are watching -Job "We do not war against flesh and blood but against spiritualties in heavenly places."

Budwick · 70-79, M

I think every believer has their own story. What brought me to Christ is likely very different from many others. And certainly would not be understood by non-believers, especially those that spend time and effort to drive believers away from God.

Years of devoted study, reading commentary, listening to sermons, sharing with friends and most of all a prayer filled relationship with God all help me know that the Bible is Divinely inspired.

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suzie1960 · 61-69, F

@GodSpeed63 The fool says in his heart, “There is a god.”

GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

@suzie1960 [quote]You can deny it as much as you want. It doesn't change the truth.[/quote]

You got that because God still lives and the that truth remains.

GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

@suzie1960 [quote]The fool says in his heart, “There is a god.”[/quote]

You're partly right, I am a fool for Christ and I praise God for it. He abides within me and He's staying.

Rhodesianman · 56-60, M

Its not its a load of rubbish .I mean seriously ask your self ,if you were all powerful etc ,would you allow famine suffering war etc .

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suzie1960 · 61-69, F

@Carazaa So you do believe a newborn baby is sinful and deserves punishment then. Thank you for that.

Carazaa · F

God is a loving God who made us, because he wants to be with us. But people don't even care about him or other people. We need to be grateful to Him. But people are not grateful to God, or their own parents. Jesus told us in Matt 24 that right before he comes back it will be like the days of Noah, and Sodom people will be lovers of self more than lovers of God, and children will be disrespectful to parents, and when knowledge increases, and great earthquakes, and all the world has heard the gospel, he will come back to judge the living and the dead. I believe it will happen any moment or in the next few years.@CookieLuvsBunny

CookieLuvsBunny · 31-35, F

@Carazaa People have been looking for that for two thousand years. Those type of doomsday cults were in fashion with the Jews then because they were being occupied by the Romans. That is the origin of the Messiah. The Messiah was suppose to be an Earthly ruler who would lead them from under Roman rule. The idea was co-opted by The sect that became Christianity

Harriet03 · 41-45, F

I'm a sinner, my sin is mentioned 25 times in the bible. God knows I've tried, but I'm still left handed!! I'M OFF TO HELL I GUESS!! 🤷‍♀️

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suzie1960 · 61-69, F

@Harriet03 See you in Hell then, I'm left handed too.

Harriet03 · 41-45, F

@suzie1960 SINNER!! Bring wine..

suzie1960 · 61-69, F

@Harriet03 You can have the wine, I prefer the holy spirit - whiskey. ;)

LonelyMan · M

Before I surrendered my life to Jesus Christ, I had a hard time understanding it, and it had no real meaning to me. Afterwards, I noticed an immediate difference. It's like the words were jumping off the page, and had personal meaning to me. Reading Gods Word makes me feel more alive, and helps me keep my priorities straight. Since The Holy Spirit now lives in my heart, His Word has real meaning to me.

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TheWildEcho · 56-60, M

@LonelyMan that's how it was with me too

Pikachu

@LonelyMan

Can't say i relate to that experience

suzie1960 · 61-69, F

@Pikachu Neither can I. I've found other works of fiction much more interesting and enlightening.

Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M

For people thousands of years ago that couldn't read it was magic. The Old testament was written down stories that had been passed on verbally while the Jews were enslaved. The New testament is a collection of books written many years after Christ was alive and might be based on the Q document. The teachings of Paul make up a large part of it. "Luke" also has several books. Personally I could say my book ,"The Raindrop Who Lost It's Cloud" is of devine origin as it came to me suddenly as I was driving up to my mom's. It's featured under my snowflake on here.

Mrjingleswilly · 51-55, M

I have never read the bible.

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suzie1960 · 61-69, F

@latinbutterfly No, I [b]do[/b] accept you have a different viewpoint and I'd like to understand why. Have you considered you might be wrong? I've considered I might be but, thus far, I have found nothing to indicate that I am.

I've posted links to contradictions in the bible. You say they're not contradictions. I'd like to understand how you reconcile them. Simply denying they're contradictions doesn't help.

NortiusMaximus · M

@latinbutterfly [quote]That is true, but she blocked you because you were acting like an immature kid, just saying.[/quote]

That's just your opinion. In mine [b]she's[/b] the one acting like an immature spoiled brat.

suzie1960 · 61-69, F

@NortiusMaximus [quote] In mine she's the one acting like an immature spoiled brat.[/quote]
No doubt about it.

CopperCicada · M

The parts that show that one can give up one's petty selfishness and let go of one's petty and ugly base emotions. The parts that teach love, particularly love in the face of darkness, without castigation, deprecation, contempt.

That's a miraculous thing.

If you meet someone who has made just that a life's spiritual discipline and you'll see how miraculous it is.

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CopperCicada · M

@Carazaa I'm not particularly worried about the "nastiness" of God, but rather of his followers. It is very easy to rationalize what is in one's mind and heart as the will of another: the needs and desires of one's family or country. To believe one's inner voice is that of God is almost irresistible.

Through history we have rationalized and enabled horrible things through this conviction that our inner voice is in fact God's. And our religious texts are like Rorsach ink-blots. We can find anything there.

It's a matter of putting words in God's mouth. In my own family faith was used to justify and defend domestic violence and marital rape. We can and do put anything in God's mouth. We've justified as a society anti-Semitism, slavery and the subjugation of women on the basis of what words we've put in God's mouth.

We do that despite knowing God is utterly unknowable and transcends all categories as God transcends the limits of our minds.

From my seats what's missing is spiritual personal responsibility. We hide behind textuality and God itself. We defend ourselves by saying it is written in the Bible or some other text. God said so. And so it is.

I don't think so.

We are responsible for what we hear God say. What we read in the Bible or Koran or whatever scriptures we follow. We are responsible for that. For accepting some verses and discarding others. For accepting some interpretations. For what to accept and reject. For who to love and have contempt for...

CopperCicada · M

@Pikachu I guess it depends on how literal and materialistic you wish to be. The mystic would say the kingdom of heaven is in your own heart.

Carazaa · F

Well if you prefer to ignore Gods words that he will punish sin then OK but only Jesus paid for humanities sins. I put my trust in HIm. I would agree that people aren't living up to His calling, and many Christians make me mad, but me for one I live by Jesus words " Treat others the way you want to be treated" "Love your enemies, and pray for those who despitefully use you!" Many just want to feel good but that wont get God's blessings.@CopperCicada

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

the VOICE that speaks through the Bible.

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OggggO · 36-40, M

@hippyjoe1955 Character and capabilities of the question askers aside, you haven't tried to teach anyone anything, just yelled at and insulted those who didn't already agree with you before you spoke.

SatanBurger · 36-40, F

@hippyjoe1955 You can keep deflecting but we both know you can't answer the question.

texasdaddydom · 51-55, M

claiming you know something and that if others don't have the same belief they are too stupid to understand without providing any evidence proof or justification is something ANYONE can do, in the name of any divine entity it does not make you enlightened.

Harriet03 · 41-45, F

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GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

@MarmeeMarch [quote]That's Ok everyone has a right to their opinion.[/quote]

That's true.

Entwistle · 56-60, M

Stealing a line from The Simpsons I know but...can God make a curry so hot that even he can't eat it?

CookieLuvsBunny · 31-35, F

@Entwistle That's a funny way of showing the fallacy of omnipotence

Entwistle · 56-60, M

@CookieLuvsBunny indeed!

Harriet03 · 41-45, F

The road to Atheism, is littered with bibles. Read from cover to cover!!

Pikachu

@Harriet03

Seems to be a frequent occurrence.

Miram · 31-35, F

The fact that Jesus had 12 close friends in his thirty's, it's practically a miracle.

Primnproper · 56-60, F

People can believe in what they like..for me, it's me I believe in, I'm the one that's got me through the terrorising times in my life, my will to find better, my faith in myself.

JimboUk · 31-35, M

Well as a Christian you dont believe the bible is the literal word of God, that is an Islamic belief.
The bible is a number of stories written by the apostles and their followers (so yes you are correct, the bible was written by men) eye witnesses to the crucifixion and Jesus Christs followers who proclaime he rose from the dead and spread his message.

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JimboUk · 31-35, M

@Harriet03 I already answered that question, I have no problem with the church interpreting the book it wrote for itself, to itself. If the church decides 10 commandments is enough then that's the church and christians proactive. The Christian faith allows for free will and science doesn't disprove God. If anything science should prove to you how little we know about reality and our conscious.

As for me not answering questions, that's the only one you asked lol "runs from serious debate" from all the comments you wrote, I found one question from someone seeking an "serious debate". You aren't seeking an debate, you simply want to diatribe. So God bless you.

Harriet03 · 41-45, F

@JimboUk Yet AGAIN you avoid!! You'd make a great politician..
CYA 👋

JimboUk · 31-35, M

@Harriet03 Avoid what exactly? Would you kindly remind me which question you answered? Wouldn't want you being an hypocrite now.

😅 I've avoid all your questions 😄😄😄 you asked one which I answered lol have a kitkat love will you lol

Rhodesianman · 56-60, M

Carazaa is a brainwashed nut she is talking bollocks she keeps contradicting herself .Just ignore her she sound like a cult nut

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Rhodesianman · 56-60, M

@SeymourWeiner lol that made me laugh couldn't have put it better myself

Carazaa · F

ha ha thank you! I don't contradict myself, any more than the Bible contradicts itself. God says he will repay evil for evil and punish our enemies if we love Him. I love you, and I will pray for you! Take good care of yourself. Remember God blesses us if we are loving.@Rhodesianman

Rhodesianman · 56-60, M

I am loving easy going and broadminded and not easily brainwashed

PhoenixPhail · M

Agreed.

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Speedyman · 70-79, M

I thought the poor old tiredquotes of Sagen would come into it somewhere. He was wrong in so many places he was probably wrong there to . The problem is Sagen didn't know what he was talking about half the time especially when he came to theology and yes he would sound up on things he knew nothing about . He predicted millions of life forms which would contact us and nobody has yet. @PhoenixPhail

Carazaa · F

Well, He came down here and talked to people, showed them miracles, and died for humanities sins too 🤗@PhoenixPhail

Harriet03 · 41-45, F

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Carazaa · F

Because it has all come true. Only God knows the future!

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suzie1960 · 61-69, F

@Carazaa [quote]If I have been wrong what have I lost? [/quote]
Everything you could otherwise have had, that's what.

[quote]If you are wrong, then what? You will face Jesus and he will find you guilty of sin and you will not enter heaven [/quote]
There are countless gods that man has worshiped throughout history. The probability that you've picked the only right one is next to non-existent. If you've been sucking up to the wrong one you will face the same fate you say I'll face. Tell me, what will you do when Odin denies you entry to Valhalla or Freyja denies you entry to Fólkvangr because you've been following a false god?

Carazaa · F

You are not after truth. You just want to argue and that won't get you truth. Please don't write me again. I am here to love people and help them who are hurting.

suzie1960 · 61-69, F

@Carazaa I've already found the truth. I'd like to help you find it too but you seem to be in denial. :(

Degbeme · 70-79, M

There is a bible? 🤔

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Degbeme · 70-79, M

@Harriet03 Oh and does it rhyme too? You know like one fish two fish?

Harriet03 · 41-45, F

@Degbeme It can be anything you want it to be!! That's the problem!!

Degbeme · 70-79, M

@Harriet03 🤔

midnightoker · 61-69, M

The Bible is too wordy, the stories are too wordy, there's no need for the ten commandments.......The Bible should be just one 1a
sheet of paper that says:
'Try not to be a c*nt

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Carazaa · F

Book of Hosea.

Moosepantspatty · 31-35, M

@Carazaa I dont understand the logic in that story.

1. Dude loves his wife, and receives physical intimacy for free.

2. Wife fucks other dudes for money, and does not run off to live with any of these men.

3. Dude finds wife committing a mortal sin by prostituting herself to the highest bidder.

4. Dude loves his wife and receives physical intimacy for an ungainly price.

5. Wife stops being a prostitute because her husband payed her for sex.

6. What?

Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M

Hmm, I think she'd find a suitcase with her stuff in it on the steps and the locks changed here.

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Pikachu

@SeymourWeiner

Yes i know. This is what i mean by divine origin but i can see how that could be unclear.

Carazaa · F

God breathed is definitely Dictated by God. "In the beginning was the word, and the word was God." "And the word became flesh"@SeymourWeiner

daydeeo · 61-69, M

There is much that is petty and base and violent, because it's about real human life. But there is much that is sublime and profound and that transcends and elevates human thought.

JP1119 · 36-40, M

Did you at least read a study Bible? You see, the Bible was written thousands of years ago, and there weren’t very many English-speakers back then, so it was written in Aramaic (Old Testament) and Greek (New Testament). If you take the Bible out of its proper historical and literary context, of course it’s not going to make a lot of sense.

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Carazaa · F

See... how can you beat an enemy if you don't know he is trying to kill you?

Carazaa · F

well, we can solve all the other world problems tomorrow, Goodnight!

CookieLuvsBunny · 31-35, F

@Carazaa Do you ever ask yourself why God would make a world in order for it to be fooled by its adversary? And why did God make its adversary to begin with? And don't drag out that old, worn free will crap to explain it

Keepitsimple · 51-55, F

I believe somebody created life but I am not sold on the Bible as I think things have been written and rewritten and left out. I have my faith. That’s good enough.

CookieLuvsBunny · 31-35, F

There is nothing divine about the Bible as you well know. It is warmed-over myths full of factual errors and contradictions

Pikachu

@CookieLuvsBunny

That certainly seems apparent to me. But given my experience, i'm always interested to hear what makes believers feel differently.

SW-User

Because only something so inaccurate could be considered divine by the loons.

JP1119 · 36-40, M

@SW-User The wise don’t value the Bible for its accuracy or the lack thereof, we value it for its symbolic moral truths.

Speedyman · 70-79, M

Your posts are certainly not the work if an enlightened being. Just a person who has never learned to study or think for himself. Why do you rejoice so much in your ignorance?

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Speedyman · 70-79, M

Thankfully I didn't hurt your brain as there is nothing to hurt . How can you insult someone who put posts as brainless as yours? I'm just telling you the truth about your post and your complete lack of intellect. @Pherick

Pherick · 41-45, M

@Speedyman Shhh Grandpa, go back to your nap.

Speedyman · 70-79, M

Another intellectually stimulating remark from you . You need just to crawl back under your rock@Pherick

ManIsEatingEarthUpLikeCandy · F

before I knew the word
I looked around and saw wonder and miracles and found Him there

Allelse · 36-40, M

Bah!! I dont. I think "Gee that Job guy had a rough time of it".

Carazaa · F

God will not reveal himself to people like he did when the Bible was written. God reveals himself through the Bible only, and After he saves you (you have to repent and believe Jesus is God almighty) he will reveal himself in his miracles for you. God says" You didn't choose me but I chose you so that you will bear witness and ask anything and I will do it for you" God changes our hearts and changes our lives, that's how I know that he exists.

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suzie1960 · 61-69, F

@Carazaa It didn't even when I did believe in it. Why "as a child of god" wasn't I "saved"? (Whatever that's supposed to mean.)

Carazaa · F

God has not saved you yet.

suzie1960 · 61-69, F

@Carazaa So you keep saying. One could equally say The Flying Spaghetti Monster hasn't saved you yet. It would be just as meaningful.

DonaldTrumpet · 70-79, M

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DonaldTrumpet · 70-79, M

@SeymourWeiner

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SW-User

Your predictability is why he didn’t.

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BlueVeins · 22-25

@SW-User To a deity, anything would be predictable, including you.

OggggO · 36-40, M

@BlueVeins To an omniscient deity maybe, but a lot of the non-Abrahamaic religions don’t claim their gods are all knowing. Zeus was concerned about prophecies, and Odin had to cut out an eye just to glimpses of the future, for example.

BlueVeins · 22-25

@OggggO Very true, but I'm not sure non-omniscient deities are relevant to this specific conversation.

SINAI · T

That's not how faith works.

Pikachu

@SINAI

No indeed. It seems to me that faith allows one to ignore such considerations

SINAI · T

@Pikachu Pika pika.

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Pikachu

@AgapeLove

[quote]That's not very cosmopolitan of you.[/quote]

I'm comfortable with that.

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Pikachu

@AgapeLove

Sounds like too much work. I'll stick with what i know

msros · F

We will keep questioning this.

Moosepantspatty · 31-35, M

The bible was written over years and years by men who were inspired by god.

The codex gigas was written by a devout monk in 24 hours to prove the power of God and resorted to asking Lucifer for help

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Adaydreambeliever · 56-60, F

Agreed!

MarmeeMarch · M

Of course it wasn't - it was stories told by men on what they perceived. And documented the best they could on what they saw.

FreestyleArt · 31-35, M

even if I have a say. your not worth to listen anyways so why bother?

Carazaa · F

We win people by our love not our hate. All people are worthy!@FreestyleArt

MarmeeMarch · M

I just like the New Test

QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

@MarmeeMarch Figures you’d be on the juice!!! Those radio commercials finally get you huh?

MarmeeMarch · M

@QuixoticSoul The New Testament ? not New Testicles

QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

@MarmeeMarch Replacement Test makes your balls shrink, I think. I guess you can get new ones to go along with the treatment plan, but that’s probably extra.

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Bushranger · 70-79, M

@Speedyman So by saying that, at the moment, the sun is shining can't be proven? If I was to give you my location you would be able to confirm that statement. It is very easy, these days, to prove things in the natural world. Admittedly, not everything.

But, presenting an example of one philosopher who decided that everything was created does not really impress me. Give me some real, verifiable facts and I will believe. In exactly the same way that if someone presents a verifiable theory that proves how abiogenesis occurred and I will believe that. I'm not against any hypothesis or theory, but it does need to be verifiable.

Speedyman · 70-79, M

No you are saying that what is obvious cannot be proven. The fact that it cannot be proven mathematically to its ultimate point does not mean that common sense does not tell us that that is true@Bushranger

Bushranger · 70-79, M

@Speedyman [quote]You can't prove anything absolutely outside of mathematics[/quote]

But now you are saying that things can be proved by using common sense. But that is also fraught with danger as what might appear to be common sense is very far from it. After all, it is obvious and makes a lot of sense to say that the earth is flat and at the center of the universe. My example of the sun shining at my location (it's not doing so now, though, but it can be proved that it's night time), can be proved by examining satellite images of my location (and no, I'm not going to give it to you lol), it's an observable fact.

[quote]No you are saying that what is obvious cannot be proven.[/quote]

I think my examples have shown how the obvious can, indeed, be proven. But we need to be careful when we talk about "the obvious". You would consider nature to be the obvious evidence of creation, where others would see it as an example of evolution.

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Speedyman · 70-79, M

You don't need to feel anything when you read truth@SW-User @SW-User

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