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JimboUk · 31-35, M
Well as a Christian you dont believe the bible is the literal word of God, that is an Islamic belief.
The bible is a number of stories written by the apostles and their followers (so yes you are correct, the bible was written by men) eye witnesses to the crucifixion and Jesus Christs followers who proclaime he rose from the dead and spread his message.
The bible is a number of stories written by the apostles and their followers (so yes you are correct, the bible was written by men) eye witnesses to the crucifixion and Jesus Christs followers who proclaime he rose from the dead and spread his message.
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CookieLuvsBunny · 31-35, F
@JimboUk
From Dr. Bart Ehrman's book [i]Jesus, Interrupted[/i]
A further reality is that all the Gospels were written anonymously, and none of the writers claims to be an eyewitness. Names are attached to the titles of the Gospels ("the Gospel according to Matthew"), but these titles are later additions to the Gospels, provided by editors and scribes to inform readers who the editors thought were the authorities behind the different versions. That the titles are not original to the Gospels themselves should be clear upon some simple reflection. Whoever wrote Matthew did not call it "The Gospel according to Matthew." The persons who gave it that title are telling you who, in their opinion, wrote it. Authors never title their books "according to."
Moreover, Matthew's Gospel is written completely in the third person, about what "they" — Jesus and the disciples — were doing, never about what "we" — Jesus and the rest of us — were doing. Even when this Gospel narrates the event of Matthew being called to become a disciple, it talks about "him," not about "me." Read the account for yourself (Matthew 9:9). There's not a thing in it that would make you suspect the author is talking about himself.
From Dr. Bart Ehrman's book [i]Jesus, Interrupted[/i]
A further reality is that all the Gospels were written anonymously, and none of the writers claims to be an eyewitness. Names are attached to the titles of the Gospels ("the Gospel according to Matthew"), but these titles are later additions to the Gospels, provided by editors and scribes to inform readers who the editors thought were the authorities behind the different versions. That the titles are not original to the Gospels themselves should be clear upon some simple reflection. Whoever wrote Matthew did not call it "The Gospel according to Matthew." The persons who gave it that title are telling you who, in their opinion, wrote it. Authors never title their books "according to."
Moreover, Matthew's Gospel is written completely in the third person, about what "they" — Jesus and the disciples — were doing, never about what "we" — Jesus and the rest of us — were doing. Even when this Gospel narrates the event of Matthew being called to become a disciple, it talks about "him," not about "me." Read the account for yourself (Matthew 9:9). There's not a thing in it that would make you suspect the author is talking about himself.
Carazaa · F
Born again Christians believe that The Bible is the inspired word of God. (John 1:1) "In the beginning was the word, and the word was God, and "the word became flesh and dwelt among us." Jesus, God almighty, who took the worlds sins on His own shoulders also says "Love your enemies, and pray for those who despitefully use you" "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believes in Him shall not die but have everlasting life" We can't enter heaven with a single sin. We have all sinned! "All come short of the glory of God" We can't do anything to earn Gods favor. It is what God did for us that will get us to heaven.
Jesus paid for your sins, all of them! No other religion, yoga, Buddah, Mohammad, Krishna, Mother earth, your actions,or anything can wipe your sins away. Only Jesus, God in the flesh.@JimboUk
Jesus paid for your sins, all of them! No other religion, yoga, Buddah, Mohammad, Krishna, Mother earth, your actions,or anything can wipe your sins away. Only Jesus, God in the flesh.@JimboUk
JimboUk · 31-35, M
@CookieLuvsBunny Are you criticizing Christianity or mischaracterizing history? There are many works attributed to authors such as Shakespeare and even historians like Aristotle and Plato that are ambiguous in authorship.
Look to the Book of John, where the author implies that the book was written by “the disciple whom Jesus loved”. Meaning his followers, the apostles.
You have Eusebius (fourth century)
Papias (first–second century) said that Matthew wrote about Jesus. These are "unbiased" accounts.
You are missing the fact he is writing an story, not an diary based on him but Jesus and his message were paramount.
Look to the Book of John, where the author implies that the book was written by “the disciple whom Jesus loved”. Meaning his followers, the apostles.
You have Eusebius (fourth century)
Papias (first–second century) said that Matthew wrote about Jesus. These are "unbiased" accounts.
You are missing the fact he is writing an story, not an diary based on him but Jesus and his message were paramount.
CookieLuvsBunny · 31-35, F
@JimboUk The Gospels were written in Greek. The disciples spoke Aramaic and were most likely illiterate. The Gospels contain many factual errors, e.g. whoever wrote Mark did not seem to have any grasp of the geography of Palestine.
JimboUk · 31-35, M
@Harriet03 Serious debate, last time we spoke you accused me of all sorts and with your nasty, vindictive mentality you told me you wish I never have kids. Funny enough a couple of days later I see you write the same horrible garbage to someone else (funny enough an Christian). You can keep that serious debate for yourself and an mirror. 💋
JimboUk · 31-35, M
@CookieLuvsBunny I have no problem with the church interpreting the book it wrote for itself, to itself.
Did you just question the authenticity of the bible claims and then say "and were most likely illiterate"?
The people of Jesus time placed high value on education as they were mainly Jewish and took the torah very seriously. Jesus himself has been subscribed as a simple carpenter, which would take knowledge and an education.
It is much more reasonable and likely that they got help with writing down their message then that they were illiterate.
Did you just question the authenticity of the bible claims and then say "and were most likely illiterate"?
The people of Jesus time placed high value on education as they were mainly Jewish and took the torah very seriously. Jesus himself has been subscribed as a simple carpenter, which would take knowledge and an education.
It is much more reasonable and likely that they got help with writing down their message then that they were illiterate.
CookieLuvsBunny · 31-35, F
@JimboUk The vast majority of people during that time were illiterate. Literacy was the exception not the norm
JimboUk · 31-35, M
@CookieLuvsBunny of course and the people that walked with God were the norm were they? His followers which spread his message across the world and built a community that last to this day were normal were they?
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
@JimboUk actually, the current understanding is that the gospels were written long after the death of Christ. Paul's writings we're likely before them. Too big of a subject for here. Marcus Borg has several books on the history. He died in 2015. See also the works of Bart Ehrman.
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
Do you have faith that you have enough gas in your car to get to Shreveport? No cheating now. Remember, the Lord will provide.
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CookieLuvsBunny · 31-35, F
[quote]Well as a Christian you dont believe the bible is the literal word of God, that is an Islamic belief. [/quote]
Really?
Really?
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