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BondGirl84 · 36-40, F
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
@BondGirl84 there isn’t any, they think the vaccine is for a mass genocide 🙄
BondGirl84 · 36-40, F
@iamonfire696 know what u mean...
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Iwillwait · M
@Oster1 Well... Be it as it may, the message was clear to the individual States and Corporations, that if they wish to make it a requirement, it's their decision. Unfortunately this does not negate the probable outcome of Biden's round about passive aggressive way of pushing the agenda further.
BizSuitStacy · M
Amyrakunejo · F
@BizSuitStacy As Usagi/Sailor Moon would say...
[b][center][big]"AANNOOOOOYYIIIINNNGGG!!"[/big][/center][/b]
[b][center][big]"AANNOOOOOYYIIIINNNGGG!!"[/big][/center][/b]
AbbeyRhode · F
Iwillwait · M
@Amylynne I'm not sure that's actually true. All viruses by nature mutate, since not one manufacturer has a vaccine that achieves "Sterile immunity," the virus is free to still transmit and change. The Vaccines lesson most people's responses to the spiked protein and severe illnesses, but they do not stop transmission completely, this we have breakthrough transmission happening.
Amylynne · 26-30, F
@Iwillwait [b]all that IS true, thanks for being Factual[/b]
But mutations are a [i]statistic [/i]certainty.
if you enlarge the population, they can inhabit, you increase the likely hood of those mutations happening.
if there is a one in 10 thousand rate of mutation ( random number)
the it will occure once, in ten thousand hosts
enlarge THAT to say 10 million? then that likelihood swells
thus, less people infected, the lower likleyhodd of those vareints rising
THAT SAID i have seen paper on the rise of delta in ONe Single patient.
and now,., those of us Vaxxed? MUST mask to not give it to those without any immunity.
But mutations are a [i]statistic [/i]certainty.
if you enlarge the population, they can inhabit, you increase the likely hood of those mutations happening.
if there is a one in 10 thousand rate of mutation ( random number)
the it will occure once, in ten thousand hosts
enlarge THAT to say 10 million? then that likelihood swells
thus, less people infected, the lower likleyhodd of those vareints rising
THAT SAID i have seen paper on the rise of delta in ONe Single patient.
and now,., those of us Vaxxed? MUST mask to not give it to those without any immunity.
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midnightrose · F
midnightrose · F
@wildbill83 I wish there was a test that could definitively show that those who have already had it have immunity still but so far I've heard the longest they have it is 8 months.
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
@midnightrose natural immunity doesn't expire; once your body produces anti-bodies on it's own to fight an illness, it remembers how. Unless you immune system is compromised by external factors (other illnesses, age, etc.), you'll always have that degree of immunity
vaccines merely try to trick your body into producing anti-bodies, and it's no where near as effective; it also runs the risk of causing you to develop allergic reactions
It's a bit like the body learning/acquiring information on it's own Vs. force feeding it information and hoping it sticks...
vaccines merely try to trick your body into producing anti-bodies, and it's no where near as effective; it also runs the risk of causing you to develop allergic reactions
It's a bit like the body learning/acquiring information on it's own Vs. force feeding it information and hoping it sticks...
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
It's basic biology/virology; unfortunately, it's been clouded with all the politicized misinformation regarding covid. People are ignoring what they should know/already learned in lieu of what they're being told.
best case scenario, they only delay the inevitable
worst case scenario, they or their children suffer the unforeseen consequences many years from now...
best case scenario, they only delay the inevitable
worst case scenario, they or their children suffer the unforeseen consequences many years from now...
TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 41-45, MVIP
If you’ve been vaccinated and are still in a mask and enduring lockdowns..
that’s entirely on YOU.
At this stage these things are punishments for lack of obedience.
There is no need for you to wear a mask or be locked down. You’re been held hostage to pressure the ‘others’
How about you direct some anger at the ppl holding you hostage.. the unvaccinated arnt mandating your life..
that’s entirely on YOU.
At this stage these things are punishments for lack of obedience.
There is no need for you to wear a mask or be locked down. You’re been held hostage to pressure the ‘others’
How about you direct some anger at the ppl holding you hostage.. the unvaccinated arnt mandating your life..
BizSuitStacy · M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout amen!
Eddiesolds · 61-69, M
Highonheels · 51-55, M
As with any vaccine its not 100% effective and all it is is a inactive form of whatever its trying to protect you from which can actually become active once injected so you have a small chance of getting the sickness from the shot itself , so why put yourself at risk of contracting a supposedly deadly virus by getting injected with it , it doesn't make any sense to me so I just let my bodied immune system fight things off for me that way my immune system actually grows stronger instead of relying on outside factors such as vaccines, plus I take vitamins to increase my bodies output of antibodies to ward off any ailments it might come across.
BizSuitStacy · M
@NerdyPotato Nope. They believe it only lasts 72 hours. No one is certain.
NerdyPotato · M
@BizSuitStacy there are different numbers floating around because the lifetime of mRNA depends on its nuclide sequence and is thus different for each treatment. Are you sure the uncertainty doesn't lie there?
BizSuitStacy · M
@NerdyPotato The uncertainty is due to how difficult it is to actually test the half life of something as unstable as mRNA. The numbers are based entirely on models and extrapolation from animal testing. They might end up being accurate...but they don't know for sure.
Nimbus · M
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 41-45, MVIP
@cherokeepatti
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Each of us is human with the ability to make choices for ourselves... even if others don't agree or like them.
I wonder how many people joke around online, flirt, etc...and never have a clue that those they like... don't agree with covid "vaccine"?
This one thing makes people so judgmental and even brings hate.
I'm not going to judge either way, but I will judge when I see people being unkind. I don't care who you are or what you believe...but when you show hate and unkind ways towards others... I will take note. Nobody can possibly KNOW another's heart just for taking or not taking the "vaccine"
I am tired of this and tired of people full of hate and judgment.
*taking notes and moving on*
I wonder how many people joke around online, flirt, etc...and never have a clue that those they like... don't agree with covid "vaccine"?
This one thing makes people so judgmental and even brings hate.
I'm not going to judge either way, but I will judge when I see people being unkind. I don't care who you are or what you believe...but when you show hate and unkind ways towards others... I will take note. Nobody can possibly KNOW another's heart just for taking or not taking the "vaccine"
I am tired of this and tired of people full of hate and judgment.
*taking notes and moving on*
FreeSpirit1 · 51-55, F
Point #1 of the Nuremberg Code
[quote] The [b]voluntary consent[/b] of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, [b]without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; [/b]and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment. The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs, or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.[13] [/quote]
Enough said
... there is no point #11 that says society can ignore point #1
Those advocating mandatory vaccination or social pressure to vaccinate ... are aligning with the philosophy and the defense of the masters of the Nazi death camps (it just is what it is)
[quote] The [b]voluntary consent[/b] of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, [b]without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; [/b]and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment. The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs, or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.[13] [/quote]
Enough said
... there is no point #11 that says society can ignore point #1
Those advocating mandatory vaccination or social pressure to vaccinate ... are aligning with the philosophy and the defense of the masters of the Nazi death camps (it just is what it is)
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
TheLordOfHell · 41-45
Amyrakunejo · F
@TheLordOfHell Hm.
Many things can cause that...I hear it all the time from the one that has...
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Many things can cause that...I hear it all the time from the one that has...
[center][big][b]COPD[/b][/big][/center]
Amylynne · 26-30, F
@TheLordOfHell yes THIS if we were not in danger from thier infection it would not matter. its like shooting your pistol out the window. Free to own a gun not free to abuse the right @Nimbus
They either have been suckered by bogus internet conspiracy theories, or they are just selfish and paranoid.
It's not that complicated: there is a contagious virus, you wear a mask and get vaccinated to not get it or spread it. Not too hard to understand.
It's not that complicated: there is a contagious virus, you wear a mask and get vaccinated to not get it or spread it. Not too hard to understand.
Adstar · 56-60, M
Their choice.. Why should one feel any strong emotions about other peoples choices in regard to taking a vaccine???
In the end if they live or die through covid it is their own responsibility..
People should access the situation and make up their own mind whats best and go with their decision.. Not spend their time ranting and raving and getting abusive towards others because they have come to a different conclusion on the issue..
In the end if they live or die through covid it is their own responsibility..
People should access the situation and make up their own mind whats best and go with their decision.. Not spend their time ranting and raving and getting abusive towards others because they have come to a different conclusion on the issue..
NerdyPotato · M
@TexChik I hate it when people don't perform a spellcheck before printing a product. They misspelled "unprotected"...
NerdyPotato · M
@TexChik Well, it's not poison, so one way or another, this shirt is wrong. Also, I'm not a lib.
Sidewinder · 36-40, M
I say it's their choice.
In countries like Canada, the United States The United Kingdom and many democratic countries, there are rights and freedoms that we feel no one should abridge.
But in countries like Russia, China, North Korea and other countries under dictatorial rule, rights and freedoms aren't even an option.
In countries like that, it's do or die!
But please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
In countries like Canada, the United States The United Kingdom and many democratic countries, there are rights and freedoms that we feel no one should abridge.
But in countries like Russia, China, North Korea and other countries under dictatorial rule, rights and freedoms aren't even an option.
In countries like that, it's do or die!
But please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
@Sidewinder I am not with you on it.
Sidewinder · 36-40, M
@iamonfire696 Suit yourself, then! I'll just have to find other people who ARE with me on this!
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
@Sidewinder okay, good for you….
summersong · F
Nimbus · M
@summersong 👍
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
Thats cool. for them. Not so cool for their close contacts. But I think this will fade away as people find themselves refused access or service to things like airlines, theatres, bars and restaurants. or maybe child care or camps for their kids. There again, the Amish seem to do OK.😷
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@swirlie Once it is in a community that is reliant on personal contact, like a lot of refugeee families in my own country, it spreads though each household. Isolating Households is the only way to stop the spread and one slip up and you are gone. In that situation the vaccine will (probaby) prevent serious inness. But you can still be a carrier.😷
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whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@swirlie I wont wish anyone dead. And the Fatality rate from Covid is below the level where a serious dent in the population will happen. But the disruption of the health services and business. Plus the expenses to so many families from medical treatment and Income Losses will depress those states more than others.😷
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
akindheart · 61-69, F
@SumKindaMunster your last sentence said it all. pitted against as in race, sex, and vaccine.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@akindheart Yup. It's just divide divide divide. Sick of it. I don't watch TV anymore, only participate in social media to a very limited degree and try to avoid arguments that are merely a disagreement in preferences. Yet this stuff still gets to me.
MasterDvdC · 61-69, M
Nimbus · M
@MasterDvdC 😛
Eddiesolds · 61-69, M
@MasterDvdC lmfao! Thank you sir!
MiserableAtBest · 18-21, F
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@MiserableAtBest As others wish vaccinated would do too.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
There is an old saying in the aviation industry. There are old pilots and bold pilots but there are no old bold pilots. I tend to err on the side of caution. Yes there is a disease that can be deadly for about 1/2 of 1% of the human population. The deaths are almost all among the frail and those with several co-morbidities. Therefore my chances of dying from the disease is very small. Given that I don't even know anyone who has had the disease... Then there are the vaxes. I have a wide circle of friends and acquaintances and in that circle I know of 5 very adverse reactions to the vax. I also have a doctor friend who says that 60% of his ER patients are there as the result of the vax. Now what was the vax supposed to do?
Nimbus · M
@hippyjoe1955 👍
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
@Nimbus Thanks
Thevy29 · 41-45, M
I haven't had it yet myself. I'm booking in soon though. I'm a bit concerned about how fast they had made this vaccine and its effectiveness. Plus, Every time I get the Flu jab I end up with the fucking flu! Every week for like 10 weeks after. I'm worried that the same would happen with the Covid Jab. I still have to get it.
Moonlightfae · 51-55, F
@Thevy29 I had the astra zeneca jab. The side effects are chills and headache. Not sure if it's the same for all jabs. I got both the first time and just headache with the second one. It's really not that bad.
Thevy29 · 41-45, M
@Moonlightfae Can ya get both the same day? I thought you had to wait a day or so in between to make sure you hadn't kicked the bucket?
smiler2012 · 56-60
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@smiler2012 See my latest post.
smiler2012 · 56-60
@hippyjoe1955 seen it
bystander · 70-79, M
@hippyjoe1955 "12,000 deaths recorded by VAERS"
A self-reporting system which can be corrupted by anyone with a computer and a political agenda? lol! That’s what you’ve got? Really? Too funny! And then you say that others have no data to back up their position! What a crock 😂
A self-reporting system which can be corrupted by anyone with a computer and a political agenda? lol! That’s what you’ve got? Really? Too funny! And then you say that others have no data to back up their position! What a crock 😂
toddr13 · 46-50, M
They have the right to determine what course they wish to take; however, I wish that they have information from credible sources with which to make that decision, not rhetoric from the media or either political party, but core public health outreach -- something that is sorely lacking in communities that have low vaccine rates.
akindheart · 61-69, F
Nimbus · M
@akindheart But their choice may affect their family who may see it as a poor one.
Shouldn't that be taken into consideration?
Shouldn't that be taken into consideration?
mondayschild2 · F
Moonlightfae · 51-55, F
Moonlightfae · 51-55, F
@SW-User there's allot of info out there it's hard to know what the true facts are!
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@Moonlightfae If you really believe that, then people shouldn't post things they haven't gotten all the information on.
Moonlightfae · 51-55, F
@SW-User it's obvious you'll get the virus if you haven't been vaccinated duh!
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
Nimbus · M
@MrBrownstone 👍
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
midnightrose · F
@CountScrofula Most don't true but I think they're learning to at least monitor their health and be more considerate of others, not exposing people to themselves when they have symptoms.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@midnightrose Sure somewhat. My point here is this is a social responsibility issue. It's like driving on the proper side of the road. If you all drive on the same side, the road functions. If we all "make a choice" and drive wherever, people die.
Sometimes a choice is antisocial and ludicrous.
Sometimes a choice is antisocial and ludicrous.
midnightrose · F
@CountScrofula It's a harder to accept social responsibility when you aren't sure what you're being asked to do is safe. Telling people something is safe isn't the same as showing them it is safe. The numbers don't mean anything to most people when it's barely had any time in circulation.
A lot of people don't trust the entities making and pushing the vaccine. Driving on the same side of the road is about order, it poses no risk to comply. If they told you to drive over a bridge to be able to get to the other side but you didn't trust the bridge makers (didn't trust the bridge had been tested and built to standard or they were trying a new technology they'd never used before) you might not cross over that bridge for awhile until you knew it was safe, and some may never trust it.
A lot of people don't trust the entities making and pushing the vaccine. Driving on the same side of the road is about order, it poses no risk to comply. If they told you to drive over a bridge to be able to get to the other side but you didn't trust the bridge makers (didn't trust the bridge had been tested and built to standard or they were trying a new technology they'd never used before) you might not cross over that bridge for awhile until you knew it was safe, and some may never trust it.
ExperienceDLT · M
Nimbus · M
@toddr13 The communities with low rates are Americsn Indian, Black, Hispanic and all primarily between the ages of 21-39 ... I do not believe they are incapable of deciphering the info
I believe they have made intelligent decisions based on probability and the scale of impact.
They have accepted the risk-impact trade-off.
I believe they have made intelligent decisions based on probability and the scale of impact.
They have accepted the risk-impact trade-off.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@questionWeaver Just a fun anecdote with no implications what so ever. I don't have TV and only listen to the radio when I am driving. I noticed that the network radio stations are all very pro vax. The pressure to get them is intense if you listen to those stations. It was almost jarring when I tuned into the Native radio station and heard them warning about the side effects of the vax in English, Cree, and Blackfoot.
@hippyjoe1955 exactly
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
Nimbus · M
@wildbill83 😛
stratosranger · M
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