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So since I've been growing and learning more about my faith, and Christ, there's been a lot of discussion at my church around the idea of preaching to others.

This conflicts me greatly, as I've said in the past, I used to be Christian in name only and used to very much live by "to each their own" "live and let live" etc etc. of course now I've come to actually follow the beliefs I once claimed, I understand we as a people want to give as many people a chance as we can to come to know Christ.

My question is this, all those who don't believe, I'm really curious, if you believed there was a chance we were in fact correct, and we by all means could be,

What would you see as worse?
1. Christians pushing more and more to try and convince and convert more and more people?

2. Or, if Christians , with all our beliefs in that
You need to follow Christ to be saved, if we just excluded ourselves as a religion, and kept to ourselves?

I ask because I by all means want to give as many people a chance to know Christ as I do,
But I also remember those feelings of just wanting to keep my beliefs to myself and not really caring what others believed or wanting to bother others(I was not the nicest person lol 😅)

Edit: sorry I think I wrote this poorly, I'm not trying to claim or imply anything religious, I'm more asking a question around being made to make a choice you don't want to make, or being in a situation where your not even aware about a choice to Begin with (basically getting a bad end without being told a bad end exists)
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TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 46-50, MVIP Best Comment
me spreading the good word:

GeminiDuality · 31-35, M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout exactly my friend, what possibly could go wrong?
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
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Iwillwait · M
@sunsporter1649 this is about as accurate as it can be.

CloudAngel80 · 41-45, F
Let me shed some light if i may?
PERSONALLY speaking, a true devout Christian, i know first habd tge options you are refering too, but its only became more important since I was where you are now..a valley if decision.
Gods word says many times not to be ashamed of the gospel. Not wanting to share your faith gets you destined to hell. Shame for sharing it brings honor to God. Jesus said if ye deny me before men, i shall deny ye before my father in heaven.
We cant live one foot in heaven, one foot on earth and avoid life in hell! You choose who you serve as an individual, but you also must choose as a corperate, worshipping in God in spirit and truth.
Letting otgers live their choice is one thing, but the bible CLEARLY states we must gently correct them, the believers, out of love. If they are not believers, we must walk, talk and live so they choose Jesus! You are not of the world, cone out from them is another verse to apply to your not so understanding knowledge..the great commission of Matthew 28 says go and do..we cant fix the situation in the field if the troops dont gather for the vattle my friend! Faith is at steak but so is knowing how to handle the situation. Refuse to correctly abide in Christ, you have made your choice...because we all fall short of the glory, and even the most elect fall down, we are all under grace and mercy. Just dont live any way you want to, keep in mind about Gods love, praying for you!
GeminiDuality · 31-35, M
@CloudAngel80 I think I understand what your trying to say , but I find I personally disagree.

God calls us to bring the discussion to the table, he expects us to preach his Gospel for others to hear, so that others have the chance and opportunity to change,

Telling others they are wrong and must change is the best way to alienate others, not wanting to try and forcibly change someones personal decisions isnt being ashamed of God, it's respecting anothers choices.

Yes we must be passionate and joyful,
But I feel there's a difference between tough love , and just outright insulting someone
CloudAngel80 · 41-45, F
@GeminiDuality your choice , your consequence. Your belief, your entitlement. Bible says it tgat settles it..our " opinions" dont matter..just saying 😉
val70 · 56-60
I was struggling long with the same question. One needs to realise though that the Church as such was created by Christ. One follows Christ as a Christian so there's no reason not to obey his commandments who were simple enough. Love God and love your neighbour as yourself. If you truly want to love your fellow human being then one needs to tell about the saving grace of Christ's message. There's no way in not doing that. Like I'm now doing. I don't tell you to join whatever church because that's a personal decision, but being part of such a gathering and sharing the bread is what makes us all one bread. Hope this helps a bit. Take care!
val70 · 56-60
@walabby Nah, not with that profile pic. That's a real boomerang there. Enjoy here, newbie
KarenDuponteDurose1 · 51-55, F
@walabby @val70 Sitting still and leading by example does work with some. Ghandi, as an example.

But not everybody is Ghandi...

So you talk, you say what you think. You exchange dialogue.

🤔
val70 · 56-60
@KarenDuponteDurose1 Ghandi? Where did you get that impression? Gandhi’s philosophy was far from inaction; he viewed it as a highly active, strategic, and often aggressive form of resistance. He famously stated that inaction in the face of injustice was a greater sin than violence. Resistance, well, my own family lost several members in World War Two just by saving pilots or getting messages through to London. I'm sure that anyone will want that action again :)
OverTheHill · 61-69, M
Hey GemniniDuality. It is great to hear of your faith in Christ, and that you are seeking to grow in your faith.

Jesus calls us to go and make disciples in Matthew 28:18-20. The Apostle Paul says that "I am not ashamed of the Gospel for it is the power of salvation to all who believe..." in Romans 1:16. Acts 1:8 Jeus says "...and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and Samaria, and as far as the remotest part of the earth.”

There are other Scriptures, but we are called to live and share our faith. The way that is going to manifest in your life and circumstances might be different. I would pray and seek the Lord for direction, and speak to other mature Christians in your local church how you might do that.
GeminiDuality · 31-35, M
@OverTheHill I love the Lord with all my heart, the point of my question was to get other opinions on evangelizing, on missionary work.

I obviously want as many people saved as can be, but in also not blind in that many who try go out and preach and evangelize end up Alienating others.

I ask questions like this to bring up the topic of God , and to see if there's a better way to to discuss these things without frankly just pissing people off
OverTheHill · 61-69, M
@GeminiDuality God created you with your own uniqueness. How you approach others to discuss matters of faith will be unique to yourself. You don't need to be in your face, and beat somebody over the head with the Scriptures. But at the same time you don't need to be ashamed of sharing truths of the Scriptures.1 Peter 3:15 But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, Some people will be offended no matter what you do.

Offer to share some video teaching. I like to follow Wise Disicple, Wadda You Meme, Cross Examined, or Daily Dose of Wisdom among others.
I've had a weird go around religions myself. I'm kind of a mix of buddism and atheism and wicca, technically. But I live as an atheist.
If there's a hell, I'd much rather be there than in heaven. Simply a matter of people for me (and free will). I'm sure a lot of nonbelievers would agree with me.
Don't push your beliefs onto other people. It won't make you a better Christian and it certainly won't improve your interpersonal relationships.
GeminiDuality · 31-35, M
@boklenholley7 and if that is your will, by all means you should be left to your beliefs, I feel that information around beliefs should be open and easy to access
FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F
Honestly, that whole "spread the word" always felt very pryamid schemey to me. It always reminds me of the meme where one person says, "If I didn't know about God and sin, I wouldn't go to hell?"

The other person says, "No, not if you didn't know."

The first person then replies, "Then why did you tell me?"

But, given this day and age, what rock has a person been living under that you would reach out to that hasn't heard about God or Jesus? I think that would be harder than finding someone who hasn't.

Another point I want to make is about free will. Supposedly, we were goven free will to choose god and be happy for eternity or not choose him and be tortured for eternity.

The thing with free will is that it is a lot like consent. You can't have free will if one of the two choices is to suffer forever, much like you can't consent if you haven't been given all the details. It is operating under false pretenses. What kind of free choice is that? Obviously, if I have the choice of drinking this delicious drink or burning in a fire, I'm going to choose the drink. That's not free will. That's akin to a serious threat. "If you don't pick the right box, you're going to be killed!"

So, god already knows we will choose pleasure over pain. Duh. That's simply not free will.

And honestly, if that is how god wants to have that concept work, well...I really don't want to have much to do with a god like that. 🤷‍♀
HoeBag · 51-55, F
@FoxyGoddess Thank you :D

Yeah it is real convenient how we are designed to choose pleasure over discipline but then punished for acting out our natural instincts. Supposedly, even wanting to sin is a sin in itself. Like you don't even have to actually do anything wrong to be accountable.
Ynotisay · M
I'm a lifelong atheist. I have no interest in spirituality or belief in any 'higher power.'

How would you feel, with your current beliefs, if there were millions of us telling you that you're lost? That your life has no meaning? That you're immoral and hateful?

And then what if atheists were given tax breaks, a seat at the political table, masterminded strategies to receive billions of dollars and, way too frequently, were responsible for some of the real "evils" the world? War, subjugation, oppression, child abuse and all the rest that we see?

You do you bro. There's different paths up the mountain. But you don't get to tell others. Because it's not bettering the lives of others. Christians do that to be seen. To be recognized by their 'team.' To acknowledge their own beliefs. To be 'right." Things your god tells you that you shouldn't be.

So maybe walking the walk should be a more important action for you to take. Take care of your own house. "I" have mine under control.
GeminiDuality · 31-35, M
@Ynotisay yeah I'm not touching what Iwillwait said, I'm not American, so I'm not talking about anything American, in my country the church is honestly pretty small, in nz, frankly, our churches don't pay tax because the most common churches barely make enough to keep the lights on.

And your right, I'm not gonna pretend I read everything from either of you, but the Bible clearly states Jesus said "I am the way to eternal life" am I saying it's fact? Nope, I believe it is, but that's just my personal belief.

Yes I think doing the right thing for the sake of doing the right thing is important, I'm no saint, I don't deserve heaven, but I'm still determined to help others regardless, I'm not Christian because I feel like I'm a religious dude, I am because believing in Jesus helps me cope with life.

And asking shit like this might seem dumb, but I'd rather ask a genuine question then just spout the gospels to people that rightfully may just not care
Iwillwait · M
@Ynotisay That's unfortunate you didn't read my response. I apologise if the first sentence came off offensive.

I too was once questioning the Church and the motives behind Tithing and what then appeared to me as "Just wanting money," I was younger and immature and didn't fully understand or know what the funds were going towards. I truly was steeped in sin and during my period of almost 30 years declaring I was an atheist, I was a drug and alcohol abusing young man who did not want under any circumstances to be told how to live my life.

It was not until many years later I had an interaction with God that jarred what I declared was my very belief system revealing to me that lying to myself all along.

I would be happy to share my experience sometime with you.

Again, I apologise if you were triggered in some way.
Ynotisay · M
@Iwillwait Not unfortunate at all. Didn't read that and didn't read this comment. I don't indulge in certain things. For a reason. Have a good one.
4meAndyou · F
I BELONG(ed) to a church that believes in preaching and conversion. Even if you were already a Christian, you weren't the CORRECT kind of Christian unless you belonged to their church. THEIR particular interpretation of Christianity was the ONLY kind that could possibly be saved.

What really bothered me about the proselytizing was that is was pretty darned RABID and super annoying. I watched time and time again as these super eager beavers were SO anxious to "save" people that they actually drove people away. They got scary.

So I vote for live and let live.

Use your own personal LIFE as an example, to DEMONSTRATE to others, in a quiet and beautiful way, what a TRUE Christian really is.
GeminiDuality · 31-35, M
@4meAndyou that's what I like about my church, I don't see much of that, sure a few of the oldies don't like how I sometimes seem a bit ... different to the others, but no inter protestant bickering.

I'd hate anything like that, and that's why I initially wasn't part of a church and why I wasn't really a true Christian until recently, because I hated how petty some churches and Christians were,

I still want nothing to do with "what form of Christianity is best" I became a Baptist because they seem the most chill tbh
4meAndyou · F
@GeminiDuality Wait till you meet the fundamentalists!!! 🤣🤣🤣
GeminiDuality · 31-35, M
@4meAndyou oh they sound like people I would be happy to.....not have conversations with lol 😅
caPnAhab · 26-30, M
I always thought it'd be appropriate to bring it up if it comes naturally in a conversation.

Perhaps if the person is looking for religion
GeminiDuality · 31-35, M
@caPnAhab we are definitely of the same mind, I think years of forcefully guilting people into faith has ruined the idea of friendly open religious discussion
walabby · M
@GeminiDuality There's hope for you yet... XD
GeminiDuality · 31-35, M
@walabby I'm sorry to say, my faith isn't going anywhere lol , but I live in a majority Atheist country, so we don't exactly feel it's right to just throw religion at people
Punxi · F
I honor God, my family my country.

I lead with humility.

I serve with love.

I forgive quickly.

I stand accountable.

My life is my amends.

My freedom is in surrender.

🩷✝
GeminiDuality · 31-35, M
@Punxi I'm not sure what your country has to do with it, but go you :)
Punxi · F
@GeminiDuality Uncertainty belongs to you.

I love my country because it is the ground upon which God trusted me to live out my faith....in Him.

🩷
GeminiDuality · 31-35, M
@Punxi I'ma be honest with you, I don't understand half of what your saying, but you seem happy In your faith , so I'm happy for you 😊
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
Humans always make the error of trying to impose their interpretation of whatever they think their chosen deity or prophet meant by trying to interpret a particular book or philosophy with no evidence of fact that it's the meaning that was meant.

Mankind has yet to evolve beyond the idea that 'if you believe exactly as i do, you'll be safe. The rest are off to Hell.

I think that's half the problem. This concept of Heaven and Hell.
Thodsis · 51-55, M
I think that the second option would be worse.

Any group that seeks to exclude themselves from everybody else seems to become prone to abuse from their leaders.

The lack of exposure to the thoughts of those outside the group would probably make the group members more vulnerable.
GeminiDuality · 31-35, M
@Thodsis believe it or not, they don't believe in Satan....go figure
Thodsis · 51-55, M
@GeminiDuality I think that's the point of modern satanism.

There are many gods that have been invented.

The currently 'trending' one has only been around for a relatively short amount of time.

'Satan' is just one of those invented gods.

So why not just pick the anti-establishment one?

It's a bit punk. :)
GeminiDuality · 31-35, M
@Thodsis jeepers 😮 that's very punk
HoeBag · 51-55, F
People are free to believe as they wish, but should probably keep it to themselves or discuss only among like-minded.

I believe REAL christians do not feel the need to go around boasting about it.
Anyone can call themselves a christian but it doesn't mean they are "Saved".

In my observations, most people calling themselves that do so for one of two main reasons -

They are looking for an excuse to h4te the Left or more specifically, the LGBT.
Or they are trying to get out of having to go to h3ll.
GeminiDuality · 31-35, M
@HoeBag I definitely think the discussion should be open so people outside have a chance to learn and understand, but I definitely don't think forcing it on people is the right move,

For me I think of it like my posts, you CAN reply to it and respond to it, if you want to interact, or you can go past it or even block me , so that people have options.

And yes 1000% correct, being a faithful Christian means a constant battle to be better then our wants and personal struggles, no one is inherently saved, everyone has the ability to be. I'm that middle ground idiot that messes up but is trying lol
kodiac · 22-25, M
This may be off topic but if any of religion is true what about the people never exposed to organized religion? Like some tribe deep in the jungle will they still go to heaven or hell. Will missionaries come force it on them essentially trying to destroy their culture?
GeminiDuality · 31-35, M
@kodiac honestly? I've always wondered about those situations myself, I genuinely don't know what I think is right in that situation, because if I'm right, I don't want anyone to have to go to hell because they never knew, but... going all Spanish inquisition isn't....the best idea
4meAndyou · F
@kodiac @GeminiDuality IMO, I think God loves ALL His children.
I think that's a false dichotomy. Why ask what's worse when we can reject both?
GeminiDuality · 31-35, M
@ImperialAerosolKidFromEP basically what I'm trying to ask is what's worse out of a choice you dont wanna make or a choice you never got to make?
@GeminiDuality but why is that question useful? You can reject both and go with, say, 1.3: have outreach programs, then leave the rest to God to convict their hearts
GeminiDuality · 31-35, M
@ImperialAerosolKidFromEP then your just choosing the non existent 3rd option for the sake of refusing the other two. I wasn't saying "you have to choose" I was simply asking, responding saying you want to choose neither, is just participating so you can say you don't wanna participate
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Ferise1 · 46-50, M
@walabby yes belief is not a choice
GeminiDuality · 31-35, M
@walabby I definitely understand what you mean, that's why I think many attempt the conversation wrong, while personally I think anyone can change or decide what they believe, it's not something you can just....flick on , or switch easily.

I think "follow God or die" is Alienating people, i think the approach needs to be giving someone the Chance to listen or discuss the subject. A stressful modern world needs a more patient approach to offering up that discussion, and the big mega churches and the big suspicious looking Christian collectives just make it all look so much worse
One of the most obnoxious elements of religion is this selfish need of the followers (or managers) of a religion to go out and (AT BEST) evangelize others in hopes of converting them (or at WORST actively trying to FORCE people to convert or else just kill them ... evangelizing is on the same spectrum as sawing off people's heads because religion's proponents psychopathically want to believe those not following that religion are some sort of misguided "infidel" ... evangelizers aren't any better, either they just don't spill any blood, or the blood they spill is indirect and thousands of miles away on a different continent via the government policies they support ... and make no mistake, every religion seeks political power too).

The most insane part of all is that, unlike trying to sell Avon or Amway or used cars or other such nonsense, in the unique case of religion, you're attempting to sell a deity to people. Think about what that intrinsically implies — you're trying to sell something which you claim by its very nature is omniscient and omnipotent — which means your evangelizing isn't even needed to begin with!!!!!!!! This mofo you're trying to sell me on could easily speak to all eight billion people on this planet right now, ELIMINATING ANY AMBIGUITY. And yet for some ponderous reason it chooses NOT TO???? Or at least his is what I am told by a .... human???? And the deity prefers instead to just randomly send some of you the most ambiuguous "signs" that you, instead, are to be its MIDDLEMEN?!?!?!? How insane is it to hold that utterly preposterous belief, which is actually downright insulting to the supposed powerful deity you're trying to sell us all on? Any deity which needs human middlemen isn't any deity worth following!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Duh.

Look, we know you religion exists, ESPECIALLY if it's one of the most already well-known (e.g., the top 3 Abrahamic religions). Especially in this thoroughly connected modern world with resources like the Internet.

Evangelizers are not providing a service by inserting themselves into our lives to tell us about what we already know is around us. They're only trying to scratch their own itch to CONVERT people. But we've already CLEARLY DECIDED we don't want that crap, so evangelizers bugger TF off and mind their own lives. If evangelizers genuinely wanted to HELP people they could just go volunteer at soup kitchens or support politics that actually help people rather than the wealthy / corporations.
GeminiDuality · 31-35, M
@ThirstenHowl yeah I'm not touching that, dude I'm just trying to ask fair and open questions, I'm the wrong person to bring all that up to .

I feel your frustration, I don't know why he does what he does, but if I can help discuss the idea of God to someone and possibly save them? Great, if they don't want any of that, good to know.

Idk dude, look Christians in my town in my country are pretty damn quiet, I know on other places they can be pretty overbearing
RedBaron · M
I think you goyim should enjoy your beliefs, but keep them to yourselves and don’t go around preaching as if they’re superior to those of others.
GeminiDuality · 31-35, M
@RedBaron us gentiles have every right to go around discussing our beliefs to others, considering you just lumped literally every non Jew into one group.

The world is better with friendly open religious discussion
RedBaron · M
@GeminiDuality Goyim is just Yiddish for gentiles.
GeminiDuality · 31-35, M
@RedBaron I know, that's why I said gentiles
Ferise1 · 46-50, M
Do you really know Christ though or is it just in your imagination?
GeminiDuality · 31-35, M
@Ferise1 lol I have absolutely no idea 😆 , I believe because I want to, because I personally feel He exists, I couldn't give you the first thing on if any of it's true, nor does proving he exists matter,


Kinda defeats the point of blind faith.
So yeah ....no idea

 
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