What do you think?

@Ynotisay I entirely understand, more then most , considering how I grew up, my query in this was was more around how things end. I agree that those who aren't interested shouldn't be harassed, 100% with you there, but my curiosity is in if there was a chance to you that Hell existed, what's worse out of the harassment over self choice, or would being denied the knowledge in the first place be worse?

@GeminiDuality

OK.

As far as your question? Even though I completely jump off at "what if?" Because that's the line?

So if we're talking about the Christian god, and not the multiple other gods, I'd like to think that if there's a choice between sending someone to heaven or hell for all eternity, the people who lived their lives in the way Jesus asked, are going to get in to heaven way faster than those who didn't.

And I don't think professing religion has anything to do with that.

Now what I see as an outsider is an extraordinary amount of hypocrisy in the Christian faith. And much of it falls under "Do what I say - Not what I do." I don't see that as much with non-believers. As a matter fact, the most moral people I know are non-believers. Or those who keep their beliefs to themselves. Those are the people who do the "right" thing because it's the right thing to do. It comes from a place of strength. Doing something out of fear of eternal damnation, which is entirely selfish, is an act of personal weakness.Particularly when SO many don't come close behaving in a way the corresponds to Jesus' message. And there's no denying that a large percentage of today's Christian thinking stands in direct opposition to that message.

So who is Jesus going to choose? The non-believer who walks the walk? Or the believer who talks the talk? While harming others in the process?

Easy call.

I know why you want to "spread the gospel." As in why that's part of Christianity. But you may want to focus up on your own house and walk that walk. Forgiveness, humility, respect, taking care of those in need. You know. The stuff that matters. That's where it's at.

@Ynotisay I am "❤" your response out of Love, but your thoughts though understandable are incorrect.

Christians are not trying to have a money grab or push an agenda to create wealth nor influence taxes.

The very command of our Faith is to share the Gospel, "Good News," with every person. That very "Good News," is that Jesus has paid your debt owed due to our sins and sign nature. Our Father Who Art in Heaven, loves you so much that he sent His only Son to teach, model by His Life how we should be living with one another and to Serve and Love God with all of our heart, and to ultimately be sacrificed and die on the cross.

America and our Constitution was founded on Beliefs, beliefs that are Biblical and intrinsic in your very being of what's "Right & Wrong, moral values.

The reason Churches have tax advantages is due to their Charity Generosity. The reason Churches are supported is to continue to spread The Word and also treat a heart condition of those who love & soley rely on money as their source.

Everything we have, is ultimately not even ours, it's God's.


You pay taxes for services, both federal, municipal and statewide to contribute to the greater good of society because to keep that infrastructure running, resources must come from somewhere.

This also is true for Ministry outreaches and charities.

I am not aware of any Charities by atheist identifying organizations, but if they did/do exist then it would be a corporate structure as a Nonprofit 501C3 designation to have the very same tax advantages.

@Iwillwait OK. Just know that I stopped reading at "your thoughts are incorrect." Because I knew everything after that would be a jack off. And I bet I was right. Slow your roll bud. Your god isn't on board with you.

@Ynotisay yeah I'm not touching what Iwillwait said, I'm not American, so I'm not talking about anything American, in my country the church is honestly pretty small, in nz, frankly, our churches don't pay tax because the most common churches barely make enough to keep the lights on.

And your right, I'm not gonna pretend I read everything from either of you, but the Bible clearly states Jesus said "I am the way to eternal life" am I saying it's fact? Nope, I believe it is, but that's just my personal belief.

Yes I think doing the right thing for the sake of doing the right thing is important, I'm no saint, I don't deserve heaven, but I'm still determined to help others regardless, I'm not Christian because I feel like I'm a religious dude, I am because believing in Jesus helps me cope with life.

And asking shit like this might seem dumb, but I'd rather ask a genuine question then just spout the gospels to people that rightfully may just not care

@Ynotisay That's unfortunate you didn't read my response. I apologise if the first sentence came off offensive.

I too was once questioning the Church and the motives behind Tithing and what then appeared to me as "Just wanting money," I was younger and immature and didn't fully understand or know what the funds were going towards. I truly was steeped in sin and during my period of almost 30 years declaring I was an atheist, I was a drug and alcohol abusing young man who did not want under any circumstances to be told how to live my life.

It was not until many years later I had an interaction with God that jarred what I declared was my very belief system revealing to me that lying to myself all along.

I would be happy to share my experience sometime with you.

Again, I apologise if you were triggered in some way.

@Iwillwait Not unfortunate at all. Didn't read that and didn't read this comment. I don't indulge in certain things. For a reason. Have a good one.