Why Is Atheism So Important?

@LadyGrace I hope you don't mind me giving you best answer, sister, but that's the best answer I've seen on here. Thank you for sharing it.

@GodSpeed63 no I don't know why I would mind that but I just wish people would take their own souls, seriously. It breaks God's heart that they won't grab his lifeline so he can save them from an [b]eternity[/b] in hell. Then they have the gall to blame God, when it was them all along that refused to allow him to save them! This is just devastatingly sad.

@GodSpeed63 [quote]All I'm saying is that atheism offers no hope to those who are practicing it.[/quote]
It's not a religion, dumbass.

@Richard65
Well said! And I too agree with @JimboSaturn. Thanks for doing the typing for me🤭😋

@SlaveEt thank you so much, I appreciate it 😊

@newjaninev2 @Richard65 [quote]Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make in the presence of unjustified religious beliefs.[/quote]

Who said anything about religion?

@GodSpeed63 Yes, he should have said superstitious, magical, or irrational

@newjaninev2
Don’t leave out sheer ignorance

@SatyrService [quote]1) atheist's love life! it is precious,[/quote]

Do they know where life comes from? Do they know its purpose?

[quote]2) the Faithful SEEM to hate life,[/quote]

On the contrary, we love life and have the hope of eternal life through Jesus Christ, our Savior and Lord. You may not understand this now and I pray that you will some day soon: Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.

[quote]3) Un believers do not require YOU to belive as they do.[/quote]

Neither do we but we do share the Truth of God and pray for those we share it with that they believe also in the Truth of God. If what we believe does not line up with God's Word, then we must change it until it does line up with His Word.

[quote]4) The Faithful ( with the notable exception of the Hebrew faith) seem driven to get others to be "converted" YOu must be as we are or suffer eternal torment or possibly just non existence. [/quote]

You may not understand this right now but we're not a religion. Salvation is the good news we share and God desires that none be lost but have the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ.

[quote]You are mistaken. if you ever listened to such persons ( links on request, and I know you will not want such) they will tell you of the mountains of human suffering caused by religion[/quote]

Man made religion offers no hope. They honor God with their lips but the hearts are far from Him. Read Matthew 23 and see what God has to say about this.

[quote]NO! You cant hate a thing ii do not believe it exists.[/quote]

Like it or not, choosing not to believe in God is hating Him. This kind of hatred can apply to anyone, including you.

[quote]7) that the only truth yo know[/quote]

The Truth I know comes from God and not anyone else.

[quote]8) YOU ARE AN Atheist,,, at some level.[/quote]

That's what religious people called us being that we're not affiliated to any man made religion.

[quote]science changes its views, depending on what can be observed Faith ignores observation, so that belief can be preserved [/quote]

Science points to God and not away from Him. He's its Author and ordained it to benefit mankind.

Understand this if not anything else: Man made religion is not a relationship with God who desires to restore relationships between Him and us and between each other.

@GodSpeed63 volly!

[quote]Do they know where life comes from? Do they know its purpose?[/quote]

well yes, we do,, the clear evidence showing the path of life on earth for three billion years, is always expanding, with ever more detail. and No there are not Angel fossils.. more we can see out in apace the furnaces where the very elements are forged, the building blocks of life are every where. and givine teh wyas such things intereact life, will always arise undee3r the right conditions. some would say they have already, but there is yet no good evidence for extra-solar life
[i] but you are asking what is the very first cause of all things.[/i]. very nice for philosophical discussion but of no practical application, unless you are building a religion

[quote]Do they know its purpose?[/quote]
the purpose of Human life, is whatever we make of it.
for good or Ill it is US that give purpose, not a Sumerian Sky myth

[quote]On the contrary, we love life and have the hope of eternal life[/quote]

Eternal life! what a horrific con job! "Do this and outlive the very stars and galaxies"
to the contrary [i]you offer only death or eternal torment [/i]for those that do not follow you and your ideas. thhis seems a threat, and a most angry one

the study of Reality shows there is not eternal anything. what [i]monstrous Hubris [/i]to assume WE are the pinnacle and cause of the entire universe.
and we and only we are to exist for eternity? this is the bait by which fools are reeled in to the collection plate, whether of money or some of form of power.
A hollow promise, and one that cannot be proved or shown,.
and quoting Jesus, is not evidence of anything other than someone somewhere says he said these things in a language 4-5 time removed from the originals
would you like a scholarly article on WHO wrote what parts of the Bible?
[i]do say yes, and I will provide.[/i]


[quote][b]Man made religion offers no hope. They honor God with their lips but the hearts are far from Him. Read Matthew 23[/b][/quote]
were these books not made by men? on one hand you decry "Man Made Religion," I must assume you mean the various established religions, and that there is some NOT man made path instead? was not even Yeshwa ben Josef
יְהוֹשֻׁעַ A man? so if not YOU or HIM what is the Not man made religion you seem to suggest


[quote][b]Like it or not, choosing not to believe in God is hating Him.[/b][/quote]
how do you know ti is a HIM anyway? does god have a penis?
hate is an emotion, a feeling, not some force of nature, I do not HATE what does not exist. it seems like you are saying if you do not believe,, you are insulting and thus hating this being. it is like saying if you do not belive in Santa Claus, then YOU hate him and he will be very angry. [i]there is no santa claus
[/i] outside of beloved fictions. i even LIKE some things i do not believe in. There are NO UNICORNS, but I like the idea.


[big][quote]The Truth I know comes from God and not anyone else[/quote][/big]
this suggests you are IN contact with this ostensible being . how does he speak to you?? and NO if you reject Man Made religion, then you cannot site the bible, as it too is Man Made
so how do YOU Know what god thinks, why are YOU so blessed. is on one else?
it would seem YOU ( a man) are Making a religion, with yourself at the top




[quote]Man made religion is not a relationship with God who desires to restore relationships between Him and us and between each other.[/quote]

again, what religion is NOT man made
the bible is man made,, why dop you quote it

thanks for the polite discourse.
we certainly disagree,, but we are not enemies

@GodSpeed63 [quote]What do you think?[/quote]

I think you'd rather not answer my question

@newjaninev2 [quote]I think you'd rather not answer my question[/quote]

I can't help you if you don't recognize your own claims.

@GodSpeed63 Tell me... what claim are you referring to?

Apparently you don't know what [b]you[/b] were referring to. 😂

Do that often?

@spjennifer ❤🤗 Sounds fair.

@LadyGrace I don't mind debating with reasonable people, which you appear to be, but there does come a point where it's pointless for both to continue on, glad you understand 😊

@spjennifer Absolutely! 🌹🤗 Everyone has a right to their own opinion. Thanks for being kind in your replies. This is the way it's supposed to be done. I wish others would follow suit. There's no need to argue.

@SlaveEt [quote]Sarcasm son.[/quote]

In other words, you don't believe it. Sarcasm doesn't help you make your point any. There are three types of evidence that confirm that God lives: His Spirit, His Word, and His Work. I've experienced them in my life and witnessed them in the lives of others. I do not know why you disbelieve in Him but I'm here to share the Truth that He does live and that He loves you no less than He loves me or Jesus.

@GodSpeed63
If believing in your god makes your life better, great! My life is better not believing in your god or anyone else's.

@SlaveEt [quote]If believing in your god makes your life better, great! My life is better not believing in your god or anyone else's.[/quote]

You have that right not to believe in the one true God. Whether your disbelief in Him is actually true or not is a different story.

@ElwoodBlues [quote]I get that the Bible is inconsistent, sometimes mentioning multiple gods, sometimes denying multiple Gods.[/quote]

There are false gods made by men who can do nothing, then there is the one true God, not made with hands, who can do everything. What is so inconsistent about that?

@GodSpeed63
[quote]God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods
– Psalm 82:1 [/quote]
[quote]Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
– Exodus 20:3 [/quote]
[quote]And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth.
– Exodus 23:13 [/quote]
Deuteronomy is FULL of mentions of other gods; I'll only include one quote:
[quote]And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded
– Deut 17:3 [/quote]

It doesn't say the other gods are false; doesn't say they do nothing. It just says don't put them before Yahweh.

[quote]False gods made by the hands of men.[/quote]

So from your perspective, there are about 5000 "false gods made by the hands of men." I think, with high probability, that you are correct about that. I only differ from you in adding one more god to the list of likely false gods.

We are in almost complete agreement. Do you get it now?

@ElwoodBlues [quote]We are in almost complete agreement. Do you get it now?[/quote]

Read Isaiah 45 again. How much plainer do you need?

@LadyGrace [quote]I also wish people would understand how short the time is before Jesus will be back. As he said, today is the day of salvation. That's something we definitely should not put off.[/quote]

Amen, sister, amen!!

@LordShadowfire So much for defending your own belief system. 🙄

@GodSpeed63 You really don't fucking get it. You don't have to defend a lack of belief in something. Okay, dumbass? Do you go around demanding that people defend their lack of belief in Santa Claus or the tooth fairy? No, that would be stupid.

@GodSpeed63 [quote]Do you claim that God lives or don't you? Which is it?[/quote]

It doesn’t really matter what I believe. What I said was that you’re using dogma to prove dogma is fact. That’s a fallacy.

It would be like saying that George Santos is a fighter pilot, because George Santos said that he is.

It’s a simple logical test and you failed it.

Religion is about blind faith, no proof can be provided. That’s part of the dogma that you don’t understand.

@DocSavage We have had this arguement with this guy on another post about assuming we hate god.

@sunriselover yes the anti God brigade on here can be incredibly abusive!! It's like Lady Grace says you're doing God's work and Satan doesn't like it!! Quite how they do their cause any good by being so nasty is beyond me!

@sunriselover I don't know how they put it in your personal prayers on here. Don't forget the block button. You don't have to put up with their abuse

@sunriselover Be careful who you follow and what you read, buddy. The only person we can really count on to be truthful and the best friend we could ever have, is Jesus. You never know what the others are doing in real life. When we read God's Word and take His guidance, there's no way you can mess up or go spiritually astray. Like the Bible says, some people you talk to are just wolves in sheep's clothing. They look good and sound good, but it's very dangerous to follow them.

@PeacefulEntity Wise words.

@PeacefulEntity That can be true as well, however, atheism is a temporary condition, because when all, and I mean ALL people on earth stand before Christ, as promised in the Bible, on Judgment Day, they won't be atheists anymore. They will see the Truth, face to face.

@CorvusBlackthorne [quote]Why are you so pathetically desperate to convince everyone that your particular version of God is real?[/quote]

Why are you so pathetically desperate to convince everyone that your particular version of God is not real?

@GodSpeed63 [quote]Why are you so pathetically desperate to convince everyone that your particular version of God is not real?[/quote]
I might be a raven, but you are a mindless parrot.

@LordShadowfire nope you’re always racist to me keep going though you’re a loser lol

@G0ddess Just ignore him. Don't feed the trolls. 🤣

@ServantOfTheGoddess You don't have to be an atheist to help someone.

@LadyGrace No, of course not, and neither was Rabbi Hayim. But there is a temptation for religious people to leave everything up to God, and he is saying that atheism is a reminder of our own responsibilities.

@ServantOfTheGoddess that's what faith is all about, to take our eyes off of ourselves and the circumstances, and place our trust in Jesus to help us, instead. He is in the miracle business. He has given me a few miracles and especially my daughter. That's what Jesus said to do in His Word. We can take care of ourselves, certainly, but we can't heal deadly diseases, without exercising our faith in Jesus to help us. He has the power to heal. Now, we can do things to help our body heal and be healthy by eating the right things, but only God has the power to heal us, when we've done everything we could do, but weren't able to get ourselves completely well. He is the Great Physician. Only He, can work miracles.

@riseofthemachine So now you're going to be surprised at what I have to say next, because you actually think you're being compassionate. The whole "atheists have been hurt" stereotype is another harmful one.

@riseofthemachine

@riseofthemachine Religion is nothing but man-made philosophy. It is religion that excludes certain people and causes wars. But Jesus loves all and he includes all in his Plan of Salvation, not wanting any to perish

@hartfire I appreciate your kind response.

Here's the way God looks at things. Just want to throw this out there, okay?
He is so much higher than us, and his thoughts are not our thoughts. His thoughts are so much higher, perfect, and without flaw, compared to humans.

Sin always brings physical and spiritual death. It's not about our performance at all. Sin is Sin, no matter what the sin is. God doesn't catagorize sin. We do. All sin separates us from God and that's why we need Jesus to forgive us, so that he can erase our sins. In the spiritual world, no sin can be forgiven except by the shedding of blood. That's how serious God takes sin. That's why God hates sin. God doesn't hate people. He hates sin with a vengeance, because it's separates us from Him and that hurts him more than anything ever could. It is our sin nature that keeps us separated from God, and He said that needs to be remedied. That's why God's Plan of Salvation is perfect, because it works. When Jesus forgives, it's as if we had never sinned before in our whole lives. Not only does he forgive our sins, but he erases them completely and remembers them no more! Now that's really something. He came to make sure that nobody would die in their sins. Heaven is a holy place. There is no sin in heaven, so naturally we can't be dragging our sins into heaven. It's that simple. Every one of us have sinned and so we just need to ask God to forgive us and he's more than willing to do that. It's not about being good and it has nothing to do with our performance. It has everything to do with erasing our sins so that we can come back into fellowship with God. People are good, yes, but that doesn't erase their sins. We can see all this evil in the world and what this tells us is why we need Jesus. Jesus loves you more than words could ever say. No one on this Earth is any smarter nor wiser than yourself, but a decision needs to be made so your beautiful self can be saved. God said, "I did not come into this world to condemn the world, but so that the world may be saved, through Me. We can never say one person is any better than the other because we all have sin. If we didn't acknowledge that we have sin, we would all be liars, so we just have to let Jesus save us like he wants to, that's all.

@LadyGrace

I don't accept that death is or ever could be caused by sin.
It is in the nature of living - in the very definition of what the word [i]life[/i] means - that every being that lives was born and will die. It's a natural phenomenon. Without death, life itself would not be possible.
Try to imagine it - every sentient being living eternally. If a being or entity were eternal, it would need no air, water, food, shelter, communication, learning - nor anything at all to sustain itself. It would not need to feel hunger, thirst, fatigue, restlessness, curiosity or pain in order to live. It would not need to be sentient or aware. In fact, by the definition of what it means to be alive, it would not be alive at all. It would be matter or some form of kinetic energy.

I don't say any of the above in order to convert or persuade: it is merely how I think.

I respect every person's right to their faith and belief. Each chooses what is right and what works best for him or herself.

@hartfire
[quote]I don't accept that death is or ever could be caused by sin.[/quote]

There was no sin in the Garden of Eden, until Adam and Eve decided to disobey God. That introduced sin into the world and God said in His Word that sin brings death and condemnation to our souls. We are not without sin ourselves, and we definitely cannot enter Heaven with our sins, or else it wouldn't be heaven. This tells us why we need Jesus to forgive us so we can be brought back into fellowship with God the Father. Unless we do that, God himself said we will not spend eternity in heaven because of our choice to refuse the only salvation from Christ that could have saved us. That's a serious matter and we should take it seriously and think about it seriously because eternity is an awfully long time to spend in the wrong place. God meant what he said. It's not what I say, it's what God says that counts. Jesus died on the cross to pay for our sins, so that whosoever believes in him, shall not perish, but have everlasting life. He said there's no other way to heaven. We all have souls and we're all in the same spiritual boat, in need of Jesus to forgive us of our sins and save us from the condemnation that sin placed on us. No one would know better how to be saved than Jesus and certainly the idols of this world cannot save us. They cannot see, here, nor speak. This is something very serious. We don't want to gamble with our own soul and lose it.

@Ceinwyn That's why whenever there's an "atheists vs Christians" debate, I side with the atheists.

@InHeaven Just curious. I had to ask, because I was curious as to what your beliefs are, about baptism, in relationship to salvation. And why? What do you study from?

@Alyosha Wow.

@spjennifer Well, that's one great thing about God. He is not exclusionary. No matter who you are, he loves [i]everyone[/i] the same. His Plan of Salvation includes everyone, not just some, and certainly not just certain religious groups, because religion has nothing whatsoever to do with salvation. John 3:16 and 17 says that absolutely anyone who comes to Christ and wants to have their sins forgiven, are welcome. There's always room of the cross for one more and he loves you just as much as he loves anyone else. He died for all, not just some. He said I will never reject you nor turn you away if you will allow me to erase your sins, as he wants everyone in Heaven with him.

I'm really sorry to hear that you died twice, but I thank God, here you are!! When Jesus was being nailed to the cross by his enemies, he looked up into heaven and you know what he said? He said, "Father [i]forgive them[/i], for they know not what they do."

Every time you look in the mirror, you're seeing one of God's beautiful creations, a real miracle.

I don't believe in any religions. Those are nothing but man-made philosophies. But I do believe in God because he is trustworthy and he not only said he loves us, but he more than proved that when he shed his blood on the cross to pay for our sins. Unlike the other belief systems in this world, I chose to believe what God said because for one, he is incapable of lying as he is sinless. And I cannot worship idols that obviously cannot hear my prayers, see my sorrows, nor speak to me. They are man-made and hollow inside. I certainly wouldn't have been worshiping the Lord all these 50 years, if he was fake or nonexistent. He is one person in this world that we can trust and the only person we can trust, and he will never abandon us like others will. He said nothing can separate us from his love. A person that would die for my sins and such a horrible death, is not somebody that is evil or out to get me. He went to any length to save any of us who will allow him to. He didn't have to do that, but he did. Our souls are so precious that we don't want to leave them to chance. If we do nothing, then our sins will keep us separated from God. We can have all the riches and fame and glory and mansions or whatever in this world, fancy cars, and all, but if we lose our own soul, what does that matter? If we lose our own soul, we've lost everything.

@spjennifer [quote]Is a Muslim who leads a good moral life and does no harm to others deserving of your gawd's vengeance simply because they believe differently than you do?[/quote]

That's the greatest question Jennifer. Let me explain it this way. Sin always brings physical and spiritual death. It's not about our performance at all. Sin is Sin, no matter what the sin is. God doesn't catagorize sin. We do. All sin separates us from God and that's why we need Jesus to forgive us, so that he can erase our sins. In the spiritual world, no sin can be forgiven except by the shedding of blood. That's how serious God takes sin. That's why God hates sin. God doesn't hate people. He hates sin with a vengeance, because it's separates us from Him and that hurts him more than anything ever could. It is our sin nature that keeps us separated from God and that needs to be remedied. That's why God's Plan of Salvation is perfect, because it works. When Jesus forgives, it's as if we had never sinned before in our whole lives. Not only does he forgive our sins, but he erases them completely and remembers them no more! Now that's really something. He came to make sure that nobody would die in their sins. Heaven is a holy place. There is no sin in heaven so naturally we can't be dragging our sins into heaven. It's that simple. Every one of us have sinned and so we just need to ask God to forgive us and he's more than willing to do that. It's not about being good and it has nothing to do with our performance. It has everything to do with erasing our sins so that we can come back into fellowship with God. People are good, yes, but that doesn't erase their sins. We can see all this evil in the world and what this tells us is why we need Jesus. Jesus loves you more than words could ever say. No one on this Earth is any smarter nor wiser than yourself, but a decision needs to be made so your beautiful self can be saved. God said, "I did not come into this world to condemn the world, but so that the world may be [u]saved[/u], through Me. We can never say one person is any better than the other because we all have sin. If we didn't acknowledge that we have sin, we would all be liars, so we just have to let Jesus save us like he wants to, that's all.

@LadyGrace Amen, sister, amen!!

@BlueSkyKing Good for them.

@LordShadowfire I am here for you

@Hanginginthere I'll never understand why people enjoy exploiting themselves with pornographic photos on here. The only thing I can conclude is that they have no love nor respect for themselves.

@LadyGrace 😂 who knows

@Hanginginthere Jesus's whole mission when he came to earth, was to make sure people didn't have to guess about how to get to heaven. He didn't want any to miss it. And when he resurrected from the dead and after showing himself to people as proof that he did, after a while he ascended into heaven and over 500 witnesses watched. But before he left, he told his disciples to take up where he left off, since he would not be here in person anymore, and to spread the gospel around the world, so that no one would miss heaven. That's what they did and that's what all his disciples do for him. No one has to listen, but at least it doesn't hurt to consider it.

@sunriselover [quote]So this is how it all began.[/quote]

In all that time, have once ever received Christ as your person Savior and Lord?

@GodSpeed63 This phrase is not Biblical. It’s something often used in American revival meetings. But actually means nothing.

I asked you to retract this personal attack on me. It is not expedient to attack another Christian.