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Why Is Atheism So Important?

What good will atheism do when it's only a temporary condition?
It offers no hope for those who claim to be its follower; as a matter of fact, it takes away hope from those who need to have hope. It's a wonder why we have so many suicides.
It'll never win against the Truth of God being that it's a lie from the very beginning knowing that no lie can win out against the Truth of God.
Those who claim to follow it refuse to support it giving the lame excuse that they don't have to support it. Why? Do they know deep in their hearts that it really is a lie? If that is so, why do they keep following it? Do they really hate God that much?
Atheism is for the dead and not the living. As Jesus said in Luke 20:38, "For He is not the God of the dead but of the living, for all live to Him.”
Understand, I'm seeking answers and not arguments.

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Richard65 · M

You make sweeping generalisations, like atheism "offers no hope for those who claim to be its follower."

Your theoligical obsession makes you think a person "follows" atheism, when they do nothing of the sort. They simply don't have a belief in your God. They don't attend an atheist church, they don't regularly meet in groups. Your entire idea of atheists is based on a fallacy in your own muddled head. I'm not insulting you, I'm pointing out that you're clearly not qualified to debate this.

Secondly, I'm an atheist and I'm content and happy in my life. I'm a support worker dedicated to looking after disabled and vulnerable people. My organisation is secular. I help people, I give money to charity. I enjoy walking in the forest and watching the rain. I enjoy being with people I love for the relatively short space of time I'll be alive. My heart is full of hope. I simply believe that when I die, I'll just cease to exist, my body will rot and I'll be oblivious to anything thereafter. The world will continue without me, children will be born, more people will die.

You seem to think atheism means we're all crawling around on the floor, being miserable and crying "Woe unto me!" because we don't open our hearts to the Lord. You couldn't be more wrong. Atheism means you don't regard all events as being the Will of God. An atheist doesn't wait for God to help, he doesn't lie prostrate praying for holy guidance. An atheist recognises that they will have to solve their issues themselves, that they need their fellow humans, not God, to achieve things. It's actually a pro-active state of mind. I know my problems can't be solved by any God. I recognise that it is me that has to work to improve my life. It's me that has to follow my own path and that my mistakes are mine alone. I have no excuse that some supernatural being might play a part in events in my life. I'm not passively hoping God will solve the myriad issues in the world and that human beings have to work together, here, now, on earth, in order to solve them. You can't get your head around that because, ironically, you're blinded by your belief in God and cannot see any of this.

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@Richard65 Good post. Thank you.

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@Richard65 Very well said!

BlueSkyKing · M

@Richard65 Actually he’s looking for attention. Our reasoning and points of view are always wrong.

Richard65 · M

@BlueSkyKing I understand, but I often comment for other, intelligent people (like yourself) to see an alternative viewpoint on these theoligical posts. I know GodSpeed won't buy any of it, but I don't really post it for his benefit.

Also, writing such replies helps me develop my own arguments concisely. So I use people like him to fashion my viewpoint. It's better to sharpen your blade on a blunt object.

GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

@Richard65

You make sweeping generalisations, like atheism "offers no hope for those who claim to be its follower."

All I'm saying is that atheism offers no hope to those who are practicing it. Granted, you have a right to believe what you wish but, at the same time, you neglect the other side of the coin which states that you are responsible to believe in the truth rather than the lie.

I'm an atheist and I'm content and happy in my life. I'm a support worker dedicated to looking after disabled and vulnerable people. My organisation is secular. I help people, I give money to charity.

It's wonderful that you are doing good work and helping people out. Tell me: what if you're wrong and that God does live? Do you think that you'll get into heaven by your good works?

You seem to think atheism means we're all crawling around on the floor, being miserable and crying "Woe unto me!" because we don't open our hearts to the Lord.

That's not it at all. I have family members who call themselves atheists and are living productive lives like you are. But, like you, they neglect the other side of the coin and choose not to believe in the Truth of God.

I'm not passively hoping God will solve the myriad issues in the world and that human beings have to work together, here, now, on earth, in order to solve them. You can't get your head around that because, ironically, you're blinded by your belief in God and cannot see any of this.

In this fallen world of ours, there's the Truth God and lie of Satan. There is no middle ground between the two. Whether you believe in them or not makes no difference. You think I'm blinded by my own belief in my God but that's not what His Word says.

20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Professing to be wise, they became fools.
Romans 1:20-22

Do you actually think that your disbelief in God will change the fact that He does live? Think about it.

Richard65 · M

@GodSpeed63 there you go again - you say atheism offers no hope to those practicing it. We're NOT practicing atheism, we simply don't have a theoligical element to our existence. You seem to believe that atheism is a determination not to believe in God, that we wake up thinking that we're definitely not going to allow God into our lives. You wholly misundertand the psychology of those of us who aren't faithful.

If you don't like, say, rap music, do you wake up every day and make a concerted effort to not like rap music or to actively avoid rap music? No, of course you don't. You simply recognise your dislike of it if it comes on your car radio. You might even switch it off. Atheism isn't central to our lives, I don't identify myself as an atheist. I simply lack faith. It's others like yourself who call me atheist. I don't care what it's called. It is of little importance to my life and I don't let it concern me.

You ask me that, if I don't believe, then do I think I'll get into heaven through my good works? Here's news for you - not even those who DO believe will necessarily get into heaven. God chooses those souls He'll save and it might not include you. I know some absolute bastards who do believe in God, but they are horrible people. They believe, but I'll be very surprised if they get into heaven on Judgement Day. Simply believing does not guarantee your soul will be saved.

Plus your question is moot. I don't believe in heaven, so it doesn't matter to me. So I'll ask you a question. If I'm a good person, give all my money to charity and spend my life helping others - let's say I even sacrifice my life to save a child from drowning. Do you think I'd get into heaven? Or will I be denied, even though I gave my life for someone else, just because I don't believe in God? You'd say I won't get into heaven. If that's true, what kind of selfish God would refuse my good soul, just because I lacked the right faith?

GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

@Richard65

there you go again - you say atheism offers no hope to those practicing it. We're NOT practicing atheism, we simply don't have a theoligical element to our existence.

What is your idea of how we came to being? What if you're wrong?

Here's news for you - not even those who DO believe will necessarily get into heaven.

I know that I'm going to Heaven, not because of anything I've done but because of what Jesus did.

God chooses those souls He'll save and it might not include you. I know some absolute bastards who do believe in God, but they are horrible people.

It is God's desire that none of us be lost but all come to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. Those horrible people that you're referring to are religious nuts who honor God with their lips but their hearts are far from Him. Has it ever occurred to you that God hates man made religion? He hates it even more than you ever will.

Plus your question is moot. I don't believe in heaven, so it doesn't matter to me.

Do you really think that your disbelief can change the fact that Heaven is still there?

If I'm a good person, give all my money to charity and spend my life helping others - let's say I even sacrifice my life to save a child from drowning. Do you think I'd get into heaven? Or will I be denied, even though I gave my life for someone else, just because I don't believe in God

13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body [a]to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing. 1 Corinthians 1-3

3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” John 3:3

5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:5 & 6

You can't earn your way into Heaven.

What you fail to understand is that God is in to restoring relationships, relationship between us and Him, and between each other. He wants of us to Christ in our hearts so that we can become the men and women He created us to be from the very beginning.

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JimboSaturn · 56-60, M

@Richard65 If I could give you best comment I would. You summarize my ideas and feelings perfectly.

Richard65 · M

@JimboSaturn thank you, my good man. Kind of you to say that 👍

LordShadowfire · 46-50, M

@GodSpeed63

All I'm saying is that atheism offers no hope to those who are practicing it.

It's not a religion, dumbass.

SlaveEt · 36-40, F

@Richard65
Well said! And I too agree with @JimboSaturn. Thanks for doing the typing for me🤭😋

Richard65 · M

@SlaveEt thank you so much, I appreciate it 😊