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Adstar · 56-60, M
Because they know deep down inside that God does exist...

They just hate Him thats all..
DocSavage · M
@Adstar
[quote] You have no idea what i will be doing[/quote]
What ever it is, it’s not going to do anyone or anything much good is it ? You have this lifetime to do something worthwhile. After that, you’re just a disembodied spirit. Assuming you make it into paradise, what then ?
What great purpose will you serve, sitting on a cloud, playing a golden harp for all eternity ?
DocSavage · M
@Adstar [quote] Because they know deep down inside that God does exist...[/quote]
No we don’t. However as a fictional character, god, you got to admit he really is a petty , selfish bastard.
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LadyGrace Best Comment
Can they hate someone they claim is fictitious? No. So they bother because they really don't know and they could be searching. Otherwise, they wouldn't bother, unless they are either bored or a troll. People are going to believe what they want to believe, no matter what others say. We don't have to prove God to anyone, because God already proved himself to people long ago, and if they don't believe him for who he was and what he did, that speaks for itself. Some simply do not want to know God. Then there are those that say they want to know God, yet all they want to do is argue, so they're not really looking for God. If they don't believe in God, and they know they want nothing to do with him, it makes no sense for them to just come to argue. Why waste the energy?

We can pray for people, but it's not our job to convince them. The Holy Spirit will do that, as we pray for them. And then we have to realize that there are some who just don't know what they want or whom to turn to. If people are really looking for God, they're not going to try to find every excuse in the book to find fault with him. Instead, they will seek him out and learn to trust that what he says, he means, and he can be trusted. It really makes no sense for these people to argue day after day about the existence of God, when all they have to do is turn to God's Word for the truth and if they can't believe that, then they should simply go on about their lives and not worry about those who do teach the Word of God.

God made it very simple. We either believe or we don't. There's no in between. He has made himself known to all, so that all are without excuse, if they can't say that they didn't know the truth. Those that want to know Him, will ask questions and be willing to learn. It's always a good idea to be informed and then make a decision.

Man wants to lean towards putting God in a box of his own design, instead of listening to what God said about how to be saved. Man has not yet learned that he does not set the standard for salvation. God does, and it is not up to man to change it. If he doesn't agree with what God said, man can go his own way and he knows where that will lead. He is not stupid. It's pretty much a no-brainer. Either man wants to go to heaven or he wants to go to hell, and he knows how to do one or the other. Why anyone would choose the alternative to Heaven, I will never know. God made it clear that we don't have to have every answer there is to know, before we can go to heaven. He has told us the most important thing to know of all, and that is how to be saved and how to get to heaven. If anyone misses it, it will not be God's fault.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@LadyGrace [quote]He has told us the most important thing to know of all, and that is how to be saved and how to get to heaven. If anyone misses it, it will not be God's fault.[/quote]

Amen sister, amen!! Good answer!!
JollyRoger · 70-79, M
Have you ever (I know you can relate to this because it's happened to almost everyone, me too) wanted something so much that you just can't live without it, then when you can't have it, you just can't believe it and go onward as though it's still yours?

That's called "Denial," and it's one of those psychological states, like depression, that we cannot overcome without intervention by some other force (human or otherwise).
Thus, the 'non-believers' (atheists, agnostics, satanists, etc.) are so ingrained in their thought patterns that they simply can't analyze the evidence that exists all around them. I won't get deeply into political conspiracy theories = but they too are an example of how people come to 'believe' what they believe and they can't be shaken from it. "Stalkers' (people who become infatuated with other people) are another example of living in denial.
@GodSpeed63 I proved that you were lying about the main point of this post, by asking God and Jesus to please break through my skepticism. They did nothing. You are a liar.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@CorvusBlackthorne [quote]I proved that you were lying about the main point of this post, by asking God and Jesus to please break through my skepticism. They did nothing. You are a liar.[/quote]

They will, in their time and in their way.
@GodSpeed63 It has been a month. Nothing has happened. How many decades must I wait?
DocSavage · M
[quote] Why can't the skeptics prove their claims are true instead of arguing with us about them? Is it really that hard for them to do?[/quote]

What’s to prove ?
Why should we believe in a god that does nothing for us in this life ? There have been thousands of gods throughout history. All are either creators who didn’t create , saviors, who don’t save until after death, when it won’t do any good. Or moral compasses that point in whatever directions those in charge desire.
What does your god do for us that we can’t, and haven’t achieved ourselves with our own experience and judgement ?
We live on one small planet, we have no interaction with the rest of a vast, cosmos. If god exist, he has much bigger things to deal with than our petty squabbles.
You say god gave us free will. Then we’re on our own. It’s our choice what to do with what we got. All he gets out of it is feedback.
DocSavage · M
@GodSpeed63
So, tell me. Was Jesus really a white guy with blonde hair and blue eyes ?
Truth be told, if you actually saw Jesus, you wouldn’t recognize him.
Doesn’t wash, as you say.
DocSavage · M
@GodSpeed63
Yeah, I do. Now let’s see you prove me wrong.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@GodSpeed63 You have his passport? Drivers licence? Green Card? Maybe DNA or fingerprints??😷
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
They hate because they want to be their own god.
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@LordShadowfire So recognize that it is allegory and move on. There is no way to make sense of the Bible as a literal document.

In my experience the chief activity of atheists is mocking other people. Their behavior is very juvenile abd petty.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@HoraceGreenley It makes more sense to me to write the whole thing off as myth.
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@LordShadowfire Then you aren't paying attention
Renkon · 36-40, M
I don't believe that the majority of 'non-believers' despise God. They simply despise some 'believers' attitudes. My way or the high way approach. Their contempt and disrespect towards other's beliefs. On a humne level, there is a lack of tolerance and acceptance. These things are felt abhorrent.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Renkon [quote]I don't believe that the majority of 'non-believers' despise God. They simply despise some 'believers' attitudes. My way or the high way approach. Their contempt and disrespect towards other's beliefs[/quote]

If they loved God, then they would love us as well for sharing His love for others. People do have a right believe what they wish but are responsible to believe in the Truth of God rather than the lies of men.
Renkon · 36-40, M
@GodSpeed63 Throughout history, men have lied in the name of God. They offered their vision of reality as God's. It's difficult to blame a historian or scientist for being skeptical.

Consider the atrocities performed during the Crusades. Torture, rape, theft, pillage, and murder are all synonymous with the crusade. They were led in the name of God by the church. They cited the same Bible we have now. In the name of God, they justified their acts.

And justified the acts as God's truth. These are available as documented history
@Renkon I normally don’t answer this person because he's an attention seeker. It’s impossible for your points of view to be relevant to him, no matter how rational.
TexChik · F
Because they cant prove anything and delight in putting some doubt in the minds of believers that are sitting on the fence. The more the atheists complain, the stronger my faith.
graphite · 61-69, M
Seems like there's nobody more obsessed with God than these people who claim to not believe. "I don't believe in God! Did you hear me! I DON"T BELIEVE IN GOD!" LET ME SAY IT LOUDER!""
SW-User
@GodSpeed63 the ones you post.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@SW-User [quote]the ones you post.[/quote]

Won't wash.
SW-User
@GodSpeed63
Is it you, Jesus?

No

i say it will🤷🏻‍♂️
Funny how they are so afraid of what they call a fairytale.
redredred · M
I’m not the least bit afraid of your silly story, I’m revolted by what it has done to human culture.@LoneVoice
@redredred [b]MY[/b] story? 😂 Dude you are soooo triggered. 🤣😂
@LoneVoice Are you not a Christian?
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
I am fine with there being no god.. Nothing to hate. Its those who claim to know better based on this fiction, coopted for their own greed and lust for control I have problem with. And of course the perverts and child molesters in holy garb...😷
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@GodSpeed63 And you can stick your fallacy up your @$$ and hammer it in. You are clearly an attention seeking troll with no real caring for your subject matter or understanding of the facts and how to interpret..None of that matters here for you or I. But your words prey of more fragile souls you encounter who need to have faith for whatever reason. Fortunately you are not bright enough fo be a cultist or you would be dangerous..😷
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@whowasthatmaskedman [quote] You are clearly an attention seeking troll with no real caring for your subject matter or understanding of the facts and how to interpret.[/quote]

Obviously, you neither know me nor my Father in heaven, otherwise, you wouldn't be saying that.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@GodSpeed63 I have bad news.. You're an orphan...😷
Amylynne · 26-30, F
[b]i cant hate god,, there isnt one[/b]
what we hate is thousands of years of death and cruelty all in the name of a made up Monster santaclaus Murder demon
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@GodSpeed63 Okay, if you're going to fuck around with semantics and wordplay bullshit, we're done.
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@LordShadowfire If you read the Bible 3 times and hold these opinions I'd say that you didn't understand it.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@LordShadowfire [quote]Okay, if you're going to fool around with semantics and wordplay bullshit, we're done.[/quote]

No answer?
It has been well over a month. Your God and your Jesus have not broken through my skepticism. As far as I can tell, they have not even made the attempt. Do they consider me unworthy? If so, why was I created?
@GodSpeed63 How absolutely childish. I have thoroughly debunked the claim you have made, proving you to be the liar, and the only thing you are capable of doing in your defense is to accuse me with no basis of being the same. Truly pathetic. I have debated cuts of raw meat with more intelligence than you.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@CorvusBlackthorne That's why I'm pretty sure he's brain damaged.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@CorvusBlackthorne [quote]How absolutely childish.[/quote]

Every man is a liar doesn't mean that every man wants to be a liar.
Why - because he’s a hateful, misogynist, authoritarian who murders and claims you’ll burn for eternity if you don’t obey him. Then you get Christians (in fairness, not all of them) who are so disillusioned in their faith that they believe they are morally superior and judge others in a hypocritical fashion.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@CrystalSkull [quote]Why - because he’s a hateful, misogynist, authoritarian who murders and claims you’ll burn for eternity if you don’t obey him. Then you get Christians (in fairness, not all of them) who are so disillusioned in their faith that they believe they are morally superior and judge others in a hypocritical fashion.[/quote]

True, there are religious people who claim to be Christian but only honor with their lips but their hearts are far from Him. As for Him sending people to hell, He grants them their hearts' desire to go there while His breaks over them. He's not hateful, as you suppose, He is love and just and fair.
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
I do not believe God exists.

I do not hate a non-existant being.

People who believe in God do exist.

Many of those people try to get various rules from their belief system instituted into law.

Some of those rules are bad. Some of those rules don't make sense. Many of those rules are unnecessary.

For the same reasons you probably do not want to live under Sharia Law, we do not want to live under Biblical Law.

You don't get to assert you have the truth without proving it. I am a skeptic because believers have not provided proof sufficient to convince me.

I do not hate God. I do not believe in God. Because I do not believe in God, it is stupid to follow the rules laid out in holy books simply because they exist in holy books. Therefore, it is in my best interest to provide counterclaims so that people who see the messages of believers see that there is dissent and that their word is not agreed upon truth.


Is that explanation simple enough?
Truth demands to be tested. Where is the rational discussion? An unbiased mediator? The better evidence is what counts, your anecdotal statements single out one and no possibility of alternatives. We’re all children of The Enlightenment, like it or not your emperor has no clothes. Demanding strong evidence supersedes all superstitions. We don’t make the claims and it’s always easier to prove.

Evidence = Detection, measurement, testing, falsification. Anything less isn’t evidence.

Skepticism is about applying methodology. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. And the burden of proof is on you.
badminton · 61-69, MVIP
"It makes no difference to me if my neighbor believes in one God, 20 Gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
Thomas Jefferson
redredred · M
No one hates the Easter bunny, Paul Bunyan, Dick Tracy or Robin Hood. Non-existent creatures like your godlet are not the target of hatred.

Pushing your silly superstition does generate hatred but not for your fantasy figure but for the damage you’re illy crap causes.

Glad I could clear that up for you.
redredred · M
@GodSpeed63 I. Don’t. Hate. Your. Mindless. Non-Existent. Myth.
There is no god and I don’t hate things that don’t exist. You believe in a myth no different in any respect from the Easter bunny. Your belief is nonsensical. You are a fool to waste your life chasing a non-existent entity, saying your magic words and dreaming your empty dreams. You’ll live (sort of) , die and rot. That’s it. I do not hate things that don’t exist.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@redredred [quote]I. Don’t. Hate. Your. Mindless. Non-Existent. Myth. [/quote]

You just contradicted yourself, Red. You won't tell us why you hate God so much yet you're trying convince yourself that you don't hate Him. That's one for the books.
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Ceinwyn · 26-30, F
You can’t hate something that doesn’t exist.

That’s like hating sky octopuses
Northwest · M
You know what a strawman is? If you don’t, then look it up, as you your post is a strawman.

You’re free to believe I whatever you want, but don’t call the opinions of those who don’t share your belief “hate”.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Northwest @LordShadowfire [quote]You know what a strawman is?[/quote]

Take a look in the mirror.
Northwest · M
@GodSpeed63 [quote]Take a look in the mirror.
[/quote]

So, you don't.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@GodSpeed63 Here's a definition. You do it constantly, btw.
SnailTeeth · 36-40
I don't think any of the skeptics hate God.

I think they're just annoyed that you insist you're right, when a million other denominations are spinning a similar narrative while also swearing they're right.

How do you not recognise this fallacy?
kodiac · 22-25, M
Says you ,like you say prove it. In plain english not bible babble. Saying just because is not proof .Skeptics Don't hate God but they do take issue with people who claim to speak for a God.
SW-User
How can people hate what doesn’t exist?
@CrystalSkull People tend to hate ideas. Especially methodologies. The Scientific Method has no physical existence but it is lethal to claims based upon superstition. How to think becomes more important than what to think.
SW-User
@CrystalSkull that takes an extraordinary amount of time and energy.
@SW-User Sadly if affects the well being of people negatively so it’s worth considering it.
[quote]You share the Truth, you're right - you push the lie, you're wrong. It's that simple.[/quote]
Then please tell the truth for once.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@CorvusBlackthorne [quote]Then please tell the truth for once.[/quote]

And what is supposedly the truth to you?
https://similarworlds.com/spirituality/4724237-As-it-is-apparently-possible-to-disprove-someone-elses
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
Holy shit. If I didn't know you are dead serious about this, I'd swear this was a Poe post. The fact that you legitimately believe everything you just wrote makes me want to cry a little.

Here, watch this if you're not afraid of the truth.
[media=https://youtu.be/wguAQHWVcZY]
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@GodSpeed63 will never actually look at your arguments, @DocSavage. He thinks if he just demands that you prove it over and over again, that is proving his point.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@DocSavage @CorvusBlackthorne [quote]Already did, multiple times.[/quote]

Where?

[quote]As I said, I don’t need to prove something that isn’t there [/quote]

Thank you, Doc, for proving once again that the Truth remains that God still lives and His Word is still truth.
DocSavage · M
@GodSpeed63
Right after you showed us what you laughingly consider your “proof” of god and his word.
If you’re not going to pay attention, you shouldn’t be posting questions.
Which reminds us, why did he lie so much in the book of Genesis ?
Did he really think we wouldn’t notice ?
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GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@allygator18 [quote]what would be the point if you and your entire family were wiped out in an isntant[/quote]

We'd be in heaven celebrating with Jesus that we were worthy of entering into His kingdom.
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GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@allygator18 [quote]then why doesn't everyone go there now[/quote]

When the time comes, we will.

 
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