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TheDisciplinarian · 61-69, M
Well..
That is a Very Good Question
Though of course i can Only speak of my Reasons
As a Todler i Died and was revived
Arriving at the hospital basically DOA
CPR kept me close enough to life
I dont Recal those times..
Yet it's Relevant later in my life
La5er on as a young adult
Went water skying-tuber
Became tangled in the tow rope
Stuke under the tube un able to breathe
Inhaling untold amounts of water
Suddenly i passed out ( actually drowned )
Yet..i started rising above my body
At a point i no longer could see my body..i had rissen to high
In looking up..i was within a Tunneled cloud
With a bright super white light on the far side from me
Upon Reaching the lite
It was like i was in a Greatly Fog laden field
Yet this women came before me
As i could see many figures close and futher away
I felt a knowingness or reconising yet unsure who she was
She told me...
It wasnt my time yet
That i had to return and face it
( face what exactly im unsure )
Suddenly i was Back within my body
Yet so too i was again drowning
Struggling being dragged by my friends boat..on the underside of a tube
Feeling greatly fatigued and fighting
Suddenly i heard the voice of the women i had just spoken to
Telling me..Not to Fight..that i would be perfectly alright
Then as i imediately Stopped resisting
I popped out from under the tube
Was recovered by my friend
Yet the tow rope was enbeded within and around my wrists
My friend happy i was found
Shocked in the rope enbeded in my wrists
As i undid the rope from my wrists
It left both wrists riped open..semi bloodied
My friend asked if i wanted and suggested i go to the hospital
I reied..no thanks..i just need a nights good rest
That i know..i will be Just fine
Following late mourning
My friend and another came by my house to check on me
Thinking i may still need go to emergency room
Yet..in being woken up and talking to them
My wrists were fully healed..no scaring..no scabs..just normal wrist and skin...zero pain
It is at that point
I felt like the nite before
So too as a todler..i died..but like nite before it wasnt my time
Additionally
I was nearly struck by lighning 4 times
Twice less then 2 feet from me
Third time within 6 feet of me
A 4th time 60 feet away
I have come to realise
I at times have an awareness that is Unique
So you ask
Why i Believe in GOD
Well i have a More Unique Knowledge
One that does Not Require simple Faith
Since i have seen Proof
More recently in February 2021 and again February 2022
I nearly died
Both times..i asked..though i am Fine if it is my time
Yet
I feel i can make a difference still
And with that both times i then Quickly recovered and regained my strength
Anyways
Happy New Year's
And Many more for Everyone
That is a Very Good Question
Though of course i can Only speak of my Reasons
As a Todler i Died and was revived
Arriving at the hospital basically DOA
CPR kept me close enough to life
I dont Recal those times..
Yet it's Relevant later in my life
La5er on as a young adult
Went water skying-tuber
Became tangled in the tow rope
Stuke under the tube un able to breathe
Inhaling untold amounts of water
Suddenly i passed out ( actually drowned )
Yet..i started rising above my body
At a point i no longer could see my body..i had rissen to high
In looking up..i was within a Tunneled cloud
With a bright super white light on the far side from me
Upon Reaching the lite
It was like i was in a Greatly Fog laden field
Yet this women came before me
As i could see many figures close and futher away
I felt a knowingness or reconising yet unsure who she was
She told me...
It wasnt my time yet
That i had to return and face it
( face what exactly im unsure )
Suddenly i was Back within my body
Yet so too i was again drowning
Struggling being dragged by my friends boat..on the underside of a tube
Feeling greatly fatigued and fighting
Suddenly i heard the voice of the women i had just spoken to
Telling me..Not to Fight..that i would be perfectly alright
Then as i imediately Stopped resisting
I popped out from under the tube
Was recovered by my friend
Yet the tow rope was enbeded within and around my wrists
My friend happy i was found
Shocked in the rope enbeded in my wrists
As i undid the rope from my wrists
It left both wrists riped open..semi bloodied
My friend asked if i wanted and suggested i go to the hospital
I reied..no thanks..i just need a nights good rest
That i know..i will be Just fine
Following late mourning
My friend and another came by my house to check on me
Thinking i may still need go to emergency room
Yet..in being woken up and talking to them
My wrists were fully healed..no scaring..no scabs..just normal wrist and skin...zero pain
It is at that point
I felt like the nite before
So too as a todler..i died..but like nite before it wasnt my time
Additionally
I was nearly struck by lighning 4 times
Twice less then 2 feet from me
Third time within 6 feet of me
A 4th time 60 feet away
I have come to realise
I at times have an awareness that is Unique
So you ask
Why i Believe in GOD
Well i have a More Unique Knowledge
One that does Not Require simple Faith
Since i have seen Proof
More recently in February 2021 and again February 2022
I nearly died
Both times..i asked..though i am Fine if it is my time
Yet
I feel i can make a difference still
And with that both times i then Quickly recovered and regained my strength
Anyways
Happy New Year's
And Many more for Everyone
Adstar · 56-60, M
@TheDisciplinarian Thank you for your testamony... 😊 Lightning strike me too on more then one occasion.. I remember everything ging pure white on two occasions when lightning struck.. Once i was walking under a tree and the other time i was driving my car in traffic.. I have stood on snakes deadly brown ones and had dreams of the future on numerous occasions.. Yep i do not need to rely of Faith that God exists. I know God exists as well as i know the sun rises in the morning..
TheDisciplinarian · 61-69, M
@Adstar Exactly
TheDisciplinarian · 61-69, M
Oh...the 4 Lightning strikes Just missing me
First time One ...( in nj )..passed between my friend and i..as swimming back to shore as it started raining...though we were3/4 feet apart as swimming...the lightning passed between us..we felt the heat of the lightning as it passed between us ( the closest rain storm or lightning clouds were 20-30 miles away
Second time..( in nj )was driving in a car with a different friend..driving in an Extreme down pour...lightning striking and hitting rear right of car arcing to a tree and setting it slightly ablaze ( as a car behind us crazily honking and stopping us..to tell us of the lightning strike
Third time... ( in nj ) .. as entering a store during typical lite thunder storm
A bolt struck just 3-5 feet above the stores door
Third time..( in long island ).. coming out of a store about 40 feet away across from me a lightning bolt struck a power pole with one of those transformer generators on it...creating quite light show with the bolt spinning about for some 10 or 12 seconds before blowing the transformer
First time One ...( in nj )..passed between my friend and i..as swimming back to shore as it started raining...though we were3/4 feet apart as swimming...the lightning passed between us..we felt the heat of the lightning as it passed between us ( the closest rain storm or lightning clouds were 20-30 miles away
Second time..( in nj )was driving in a car with a different friend..driving in an Extreme down pour...lightning striking and hitting rear right of car arcing to a tree and setting it slightly ablaze ( as a car behind us crazily honking and stopping us..to tell us of the lightning strike
Third time... ( in nj ) .. as entering a store during typical lite thunder storm
A bolt struck just 3-5 feet above the stores door
Third time..( in long island ).. coming out of a store about 40 feet away across from me a lightning bolt struck a power pole with one of those transformer generators on it...creating quite light show with the bolt spinning about for some 10 or 12 seconds before blowing the transformer
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
My mother took us to church when I was a child. When we were teens, she allowed us to decide if we wanted to go or not. I was having too much fun doing things the preacher said were bad so I stopped going, fast forward 30 years or so, and I am in my mid 50s and going back to church. The childhood fairy tale God has been replaced by a new understanding of God based on my experiences and life. My faith gives me hope for a better tomorrow.
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@NortiusMaximus yep, silly insults don’t work. But your denial of what is the preponderance of evidence, it’s obvious you haven’t even attempted to review it, pretty much reduces the credibility of what you say.
It’s sad, but the future bypasses atheists. I wish it weren’t so, because it’s not a nice thing to say.
It’s sad, but the future bypasses atheists. I wish it weren’t so, because it’s not a nice thing to say.
NattybyNeter · F
Most people believe because they are afraid of not believing. Fear of the unknown. Some believe because they have gone through something and think they pulled through not by their our strength and fortitude but because of something outside of themselves. Others because it gives them hope because to believe we really are here for nothing but to do the song and dance of life and death can be very daunting and dreadful. Like why even bother. I don’t know what I believe at this point. How I see it is we are all micros from a whole macro that’s been placed her to have a human experience whichever way we decide that goes. There’s consequences for every action whether good or bad. And this knowing is enough for me. I don’t need to go into who or what the macro is because I don’t know and I’m not going to drive myself crazy anymore trying to figure out which theory makes more sense. All I know is I give thanks and gratitude to nature for all that I can see and benefit from. I hope all is well with you!
NattybyNeter · F
Okay so you’re saying you’ve never really looked into it then. Gotcha. Be well ❤️@LadyGrace
@NattybyNeter no it's you who put those words in my mouth. Don't assume. I told you I have looked into all of them and I have.
@NattybyNeter Do you know what Christian means? It means follower of Christ. Not any religion. Jesus is not our co-pilot, He is our Lord and Savior. Christianity teaches that God is a Trinity, and the three persons of theTrinity are God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Three persons in one essence. Christ means "the anointed one". 1 John 5:7
Lilliesandlight · 41-45, F
NortiusMaximus · M
@SW-User [quote]The work and presence of the Holy Spirit in a Christian’s heart is a real presence, part of the evidence for God for those that need it, [/quote]
That works just as well for any god, it's not empirical evidence of your preferred one. The work and presence of the [insert preferred deity] in a [insert name of preferred deity's religion] heart is a real presence, part of the evidence for [preferred deity]for those that need it,
That works just as well for any god, it's not empirical evidence of your preferred one. The work and presence of the [insert preferred deity] in a [insert name of preferred deity's religion] heart is a real presence, part of the evidence for [preferred deity]for those that need it,
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@NortiusMaximus Except one is true, and the other isn’t. Not … a minor difference.
… and we’ve already established the Lord separated us from Himself due to sin, and thus requires faith, a faith based on the overwhelming preponderance of evidence, of which you apparently in denial. Empirical (or test) is not the only basis, and the human record with empirical evidence is not particularly good ( especially among atheists, who are deceived easily).
But hey, you still think you’re nonsensical, does not follow babble is the making of a worthy case. Go figure.
… and we’ve already established the Lord separated us from Himself due to sin, and thus requires faith, a faith based on the overwhelming preponderance of evidence, of which you apparently in denial. Empirical (or test) is not the only basis, and the human record with empirical evidence is not particularly good ( especially among atheists, who are deceived easily).
But hey, you still think you’re nonsensical, does not follow babble is the making of a worthy case. Go figure.
NortiusMaximus · M
@SW-User [quote]Except one is true, and the other isn’t. [/quote]
Yes, and members of different religions disagree as to which is which. Even members of different sects of christianity can't agree.
[quote]and we’ve already established the Lord separated us from Himself due to sin,[/quote]
No, that's just one of the christians' many unsupported claims.
[quote]a faith based on the overwhelming preponderance of evidence,[/quote]
No, there is no real evidence at all. At least none that christian apologiosts are able or willing to present.
[quote]the human record with empirical evidence is not particularly good ( especially among atheists, who are deceived easily). [/quote]
Atheists aren't as easily deceived as christians. We're not the ones with imaginary friends.
[quote]But hey, you still think you’re nonsensical, does not follow babble is the making of a worthy case. Go figure.[/quote]
What the Hell is that supposed to mean? Just more christian nonsense.
Yes, and members of different religions disagree as to which is which. Even members of different sects of christianity can't agree.
[quote]and we’ve already established the Lord separated us from Himself due to sin,[/quote]
No, that's just one of the christians' many unsupported claims.
[quote]a faith based on the overwhelming preponderance of evidence,[/quote]
No, there is no real evidence at all. At least none that christian apologiosts are able or willing to present.
[quote]the human record with empirical evidence is not particularly good ( especially among atheists, who are deceived easily). [/quote]
Atheists aren't as easily deceived as christians. We're not the ones with imaginary friends.
[quote]But hey, you still think you’re nonsensical, does not follow babble is the making of a worthy case. Go figure.[/quote]
What the Hell is that supposed to mean? Just more christian nonsense.
Remember, you will get many naysayers here and negative remarks, but God is real, don't be fooled by that devil. He wants people to think God is not real or alive. Our future depends on what we believe and God is trustworthy. He even saved my daughter's life. Some people don't know their Bible or God, so naturally they are going to tell you that the Bible is inaccurate, that God is dead, and there's no truth to any of it. Trust God, not man. You'll never go wrong..
You keep asking this and we keep telling you the answer so I don't know why you keep repeating it. I certainly don't base my beliefs because of the way I was raised, whether in church or not. I sought the Lord and He revealed himself to me and I have seen many miracles, so there's no doubt that God is real and still alive, whatsoever.
@Shakealot God's Word confirms that we have a spirit that never dies. When we die it goes one of two places and we get to choose which place we want to spend eternity. That is up to us, but that decision must not be neglected, because if it is, we stay separated from God by our sins until we acknowledge and repent of them.
Peaceandnamaste · 26-30, F
I'm half native American and black mostly Hopi, Cherokee, I don't believe in the christian God, I Revere nature and the power of the cosmos.
"god" is the quantum field that connects, emanates and permeates the whole universe, it's not an invisible personal being or person that lives in the sky judging people and comdemning people to hell.
I Revere and have immense gratitude but I don't worship anything, meditation and gratitude works better for me than just praying for material things and asking for healing. A simple short prayer for me will be just thank you Universe/great mystery and that's it.
There's a difference between reverence and worship.
"god" is the quantum field that connects, emanates and permeates the whole universe, it's not an invisible personal being or person that lives in the sky judging people and comdemning people to hell.
I Revere and have immense gratitude but I don't worship anything, meditation and gratitude works better for me than just praying for material things and asking for healing. A simple short prayer for me will be just thank you Universe/great mystery and that's it.
There's a difference between reverence and worship.
It is important to note that a lot of people say they believe in God, but that does not mean they know Him or live for Him. Even Satan believes in God, but he's not going to heaven. In order to do that, Jesus said we must go by His standard for salvation. It is He who set that standard for good reason, not man and his vane philosophies.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
Adstar · 56-60, M
I believe in God because i believe God.. I read His Word in the Holy Bible when i was in my early 20's and the message moved me.. Usually when people disagree with God they eventually end up disbelieving in God.. It is always the message of God that attracts or repulses a person..
And i believe thats the way God wants it to be.. Those who have a love for the truth will be redeemed by the truth.. Those that love unrighteousness will be damned because of their own choice...
And i believe thats the way God wants it to be.. Those who have a love for the truth will be redeemed by the truth.. Those that love unrighteousness will be damned because of their own choice...
BibleData · M
@CorvusBlackthorne You're going to have to be more specific. What flaws and translation errors have I overlooked? Especially given that I haven't addressed any of those.
BibleData · M
@CorvusBlackthorne Perhaps you should have consulted mine before judging. And when you come back into the shadow perhaps you could see to Michael as well. Or not.
ServantOfTheGoddess · 61-69, M
NortiusMaximus · M
@ServantOfTheGoddess If you believe in the (masculine) christian god, why do you describe yourself as a Servant of the Goddess? You're in breach of the first commandment. Well done! :) 👍
ServantOfTheGoddess · 61-69, M
@NortiusMaximus I didn't say I believed in the Christian god :D
NortiusMaximus · M
@ServantOfTheGoddess Writing god with a capital 'G' usually means the christian one. Sorry if I misunderstood.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
What's funny about this whole discussion is this. These so called [b] Atheists[/b] will also deny the existence of Satan. And ghosts that walk the Earth on a day basis. We have a whole lot of proof of this. There are places we are not allowed to go for a reason. Some will see the entities and spirits and still say they don't exist. That alone tells you about the [b] psychology [/b] of the unbelievers. They are deeply [b]confused. [/b]
@Zonuss I was certainly pleased when you were nonplussed for an entire day.
@Zonuss That may be the kindest thing you have ever called me.
Peaceandnamaste · 26-30, F
@Human1000 nature is a goddess and the Sun is a god
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@BibleData You neglected to append “There’s no proof gods don’’t exist”
So the complete [b]couplet[/b] is:
1. there's no proof that gods exist
2. there's no proof that gods don't exist
Substitute the word ‘evidence’, or ‘indication’, or ‘requirement’, etc., the couplet remains valid.
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So your ‘compelling necessity’ is that ‘everybody knows it’?
Umm, that’s not exactly... compelling
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and we’re back to ‘if you do not have a god, one will be issued to you’ 😂
So the complete [b]couplet[/b] is:
1. there's no proof that gods exist
2. there's no proof that gods don't exist
Substitute the word ‘evidence’, or ‘indication’, or ‘requirement’, etc., the couplet remains valid.
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So your ‘compelling necessity’ is that ‘everybody knows it’?
Umm, that’s not exactly... compelling
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and we’re back to ‘if you do not have a god, one will be issued to you’ 😂
God must not think it very important or we would all be born knowing the Bible without ever having seen one. Therefore I can conclude God is either incompetent or it's not important to him. Although some people may be born with a sense, a longing, a desire for something, not everyone is and there are absolutely no specifics of any religion or rituals that are inborn.
CaliProtonymous · 31-35, M
There's either nothing or heaven and hell for sure exists. If heaven and hell exist I obviously really hope to go to heaven especially after seeing the movie Ghost. If there's nothing it won't even matter because once you die, that's it you won't even know. One of those two things is a reality though guaranteed.
@CaliProtonymous God did not leave us to guess on this. He gave us His Word, so we would know how to have eternity in heaven with him. 1st John 5:13. "I write these things to you, who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life."
Since there is a heaven and eternal life, it is important to prepare for both. We do that by acknowledging that we do have sin in our lives and that we need Jesus to forgive us of our sins so he can blot them out, and he remembers them no more. When we accept Jesus into our heart and lives as our Savior, he promises to forgive us of our sins and give us eternal life. If we leave it to chance, that won't work because we shall stay separated from Christ and God in heaven, because of our sins that were not forgiven.
Since there is a heaven and eternal life, it is important to prepare for both. We do that by acknowledging that we do have sin in our lives and that we need Jesus to forgive us of our sins so he can blot them out, and he remembers them no more. When we accept Jesus into our heart and lives as our Savior, he promises to forgive us of our sins and give us eternal life. If we leave it to chance, that won't work because we shall stay separated from Christ and God in heaven, because of our sins that were not forgiven.
CaliProtonymous · 31-35, M
@LadyGrace In the most non-offensive way that I can possibly say this, that all seems like a lot of stereotypical church goer preachy goodness right there, that's fine, but I believe that if you do believe in God and I like to think that I do, there has to be a sense of practicality in your relationship with him in correspondence to life. Part of the reason I don't go to church these days is because churches have become these monetized mega-church like 'get followers and likes and view' types of places and less so about an actual relationship with God. I have no idea what's what because I'm this tiny little spec of a human in a very very large universe. I've never been too much of a fan of all of the sayings and mottos and quotes and things that I can't understand in comparison to what I feel from and with God when I turn my attention to him.
@CaliProtonymous What you call stereotypical churchgoer preachy goodness, comes directly and sincerely from scripture in the Word of God. So if you want to make fun, I wouldn't make fun of God's Word. It tells us exactly God's standard for salvation so it is not arrogant to reiterate what God said in His Word. We either believe God or we don't.
I agree that there are a lot of phony churches out there, especially in these last days, and even people that claim to be Christians, but are not. But we can't put them all in the same boat and we can't pick on Believers, particularly when there are many denominations out there, that do not even follow the Word of God, and make up their own system for salvation. Man does not get to do that. God set the standard for salvation, not man. No matter what others do in this world, the Bible says we are responsible for our own souls. We could use the excuse that we don't do this and we don't do that, because there's too many hypocrites, but God said don't worry about them, just worry about yourself, because you are accountable only for yourself.
I agree that there are a lot of phony churches out there, especially in these last days, and even people that claim to be Christians, but are not. But we can't put them all in the same boat and we can't pick on Believers, particularly when there are many denominations out there, that do not even follow the Word of God, and make up their own system for salvation. Man does not get to do that. God set the standard for salvation, not man. No matter what others do in this world, the Bible says we are responsible for our own souls. We could use the excuse that we don't do this and we don't do that, because there's too many hypocrites, but God said don't worry about them, just worry about yourself, because you are accountable only for yourself.
sdave455 · 41-45, M
I believe in the possibility but nothing further. The religious are merely opportunists who prey on the stupid and the atheists are sure of something they can never prove.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@sdave455 [quote]something they can never prove[/quote]
1. there's no proof that gods exist
2. there's no proof that gods don't exist
3. in any event, there’s no compelling necessity to even postulate gods, and, in any event, the postulation explains nothing (not even itself)... it merely tries to explain everything away.
4. therefore, I have no gods (I’m an agnostic atheist)
What is it that I need to prove?
1. there's no proof that gods exist
2. there's no proof that gods don't exist
3. in any event, there’s no compelling necessity to even postulate gods, and, in any event, the postulation explains nothing (not even itself)... it merely tries to explain everything away.
4. therefore, I have no gods (I’m an agnostic atheist)
What is it that I need to prove?
sdave455 · 41-45, M
@newjaninev2 Why do you need to ask when you supported my comment? Seems redundant.
NortiusMaximus · M
Most people on Earth don't believe in the christian god.
SomeMichGuy · M
Are you asking why it seems that most people who believe in God were raised in a church?
Heavenlywarrior · 36-40, M
It’s in us to believe in something.
Peaceandnamaste · 26-30, F
Nature and the cosmos is my god.
SW-User
Yes, I do.
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