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Amyrakunejo · F
It's a work of fiction.
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Carazaa · F
@Sharon Oh brother. If I lied then God would stop answering my prayers. I would never take that chance. Also I really think it is much kinder to always tell the truth. I try to treat people the way I want to be treated. I want people to always tell me the truth. Otherwise I couldn't trust them in the future, and the most important in any relationship is trust and I want people to trust me. It is very important to me. Yep!
Entwistle · 56-60, M
He doesn't seem very forgiving this all forgiving God.
@Entwistle
Well he actually is to some degree. His chosen people fuck up again and again and he gives them another shot.
It's just that when he's had enough (although he presumably knew what would happen before hand) he is moved to horrifying violence without mercy.
Edit: I mean he kills a whole mess of them each time but he also gives them another shot lol
Well he actually is to some degree. His chosen people fuck up again and again and he gives them another shot.
It's just that when he's had enough (although he presumably knew what would happen before hand) he is moved to horrifying violence without mercy.
Edit: I mean he kills a whole mess of them each time but he also gives them another shot lol
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
This sort of stuff is why groups like the Cathars concluded the god of the old testament was the Demierge and that the god of the new testament ie Jesus is a seperate entity entirely because the two are not really reconcilable. You have one who is a mass murdering lunatic and one that is kind of the first hippie (in Judeo Christian belief) in many ways.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@Carazaa technically speaking, Jesus didn't exist in the Old Testament. He's only a figure in the New Testament as a Messiah figure.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@basilfawlty89 I think she is going with the idea that the god of the Old Testament and Jesus are of the same god which gets into the hot mess that is the trinity.
Carazaa · F
@basilfawlty89
"For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Isaiah" 9
The Word Became Flesh
1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it".
14 "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth." John 1
"For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Isaiah" 9
The Word Became Flesh
1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it".
14 "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth." John 1

SW-User
"Free will" seems to be the go-to answer to every challenge to Christian belief and doctrine, but it can only go so far as an answer. Is free will really free if God knows every action ahead of time? Is it really free will if our fate is predestined?
@SW-User
Sure seems to be.
It's even trotted out as an excuse for why god doesn't just show us al he's real.
"Free will" seems to be the go-to answer to every challenge to Christian belief and doctrine
Sure seems to be.
It's even trotted out as an excuse for why god doesn't just show us al he's real.
Amyrakunejo · F
@SW-User Because Predestination is not absolute.

SW-User
@Amyrakunejo Depends on what you believe, I guess. Catholics believe that people are predestined for heaven, but not for damnation (cf. with Calvinists who believe people are predestined for both). They believe that you cannot change your fate but you also cannot divine it while alive.
Carazaa · F
He has every right to have high standards of behavior. We should be loving, but we aren't.

SW-User
This won't be a satisfying answer, but my interpretation is that these accounts are ways of explaining the tide of history, the rises and declines of a society. Whenever Israel was attacked or their society was on the wane, it had to be explained as a failing of the people to properly obey God, especially the sin of worshiping false gods. Enemies attacked because God allowed it to happen due to the wickedness of the people. This was how the ancient Israelites rationalized the misfortunes that befell them.
I think otherwise we're becoming too bogged down in the mechanics of omniscience.
It's also an interesting contrast with how God is portrayed in the NT.
I think otherwise we're becoming too bogged down in the mechanics of omniscience.
It's also an interesting contrast with how God is portrayed in the NT.
froggtongue · M
Emotions and intellect are two separate things. But knowing for sure what will happen and having a reasonably good guess are also separate.
@froggtongue Humans are an evolutionary screwup...we do no good...we destroy
froggtongue · M
@fernie2 we can do better. We've already come so far.
@froggtongue how far have we come? We are uncivilized...animals are less violent...why do we think we are superior...how have we come far? We are de-volving
RedBaron · M
Then why read it?
@RedBaron I had several friends when I was younger...all with the tattooed numbers on their arms. I am very aware of anything holocaust...but, we are here and now....they WOULD gas us all, Gays, people of any color but WHITE if they could...genocide is their goal and unlike the poor German people...we are not so trusting of leaders
Straylight · 31-35, F
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Sharon · F
The bible is full of contradictions like that.
I really think the first person to think up the old testament God was a narcissistic psychopath. All the symptoms are there. They were just so narcissistic they elevated their mental illness to a God.
Probably terrorized their immediate family members into worship on threat of death or sexual abuse. Thus the first converts.
Also he was supposedly an edomite war God. So if this started in the military no wonder it found a foothold were death and rape are war tactics.
Probably terrorized their immediate family members into worship on threat of death or sexual abuse. Thus the first converts.
Also he was supposedly an edomite war God. So if this started in the military no wonder it found a foothold were death and rape are war tactics.
smiler2012 · 61-69
{@pikachu ] god has shown wrath in the old testament towards the egyptians with his plagues
You just described the other profound narcissist d trump. Worship and obey ME and ME only or be severely punished

SW-User
God is a twat.
Sharon · F
@SW-User It would be if it existed.

SW-User
@Sharon Okay, he is a mythical twat.
@SW-User No dear.....he's a mythical PRICK
It's simply the interpretation of a prophet. You see, the Jews had a lot of shit dealt to them and they worried even more shit would come. Apocalyptic text should always be talked about in context with the times
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SteelHands · 70-79, M
@Pikachu That is known as being a human being trying to second guess how an all powerful God goes about things.
When I was 15 I was sure my dad was a dumbass. By the time I became a parent myself I was shocked at how smart he became in just 7 years.
When I was 15 I was sure my dad was a dumbass. By the time I became a parent myself I was shocked at how smart he became in just 7 years.
@SteelHands
Oh sure.
I just don't fins that to be a particularly useful insight.
"God works in mysterious ways" is just a non-answer deployed in order to smooth over the continuity errors.
Or so it seems to me.
trying to second guess how an all powerful God goes about things.
Oh sure.
I just don't fins that to be a particularly useful insight.
"God works in mysterious ways" is just a non-answer deployed in order to smooth over the continuity errors.
Or so it seems to me.
Carazaa · F
@SteelHands Maturity its called. Life is a learning curb! Thank you for that great example!
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