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QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@hippyjoe1955 No imagination, hippie 🙄
The most obvious logical alternative to abiogenesis and creation is actually pretty simple - life was always around.
That one has empirical problems, but that’s not a problem for you, because you discount all empirical evidence anyhow.
The most obvious logical alternative to abiogenesis and creation is actually pretty simple - life was always around.
That one has empirical problems, but that’s not a problem for you, because you discount all empirical evidence anyhow.
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@newjaninev2 Methinks there might be a troll lurking around.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Bushranger On this site they’re the rule rather than the exception. 😀
GodSpeed63 · 70-79, M
@wilderflower @Sharon
That, I am. I can't debate with two fools who can't come out from under the bed and have courage enough to have a decent conversation with me instead of shaming themselves like they do.
A godly man.
That, I am. I can't debate with two fools who can't come out from under the bed and have courage enough to have a decent conversation with me instead of shaming themselves like they do.
wilderflower · F
@GodSpeed63 Debate?
You don’t debate! You avoid it by “responding” with quotes from your little book of holy fairy tales. You make baseless accusations. You lie. Yes I said you lie, and unlike you I can prove you make baseless accusations and lie. I’ve already given the evidence on this post but as always you choose to ignore it. You are a passive aggressive coward. You are a male but not a man. You’ll never be a man. And you’re comfortable with that.
You, @hippyjoe1955, and @Speedyman choose to deny solid evidence and hurl insults. All three of you are scared. I will say @Speedyman did apologize for a couple of typos which is more than you and joe are capable of doing.
Liar. Coward. Passive aggressive behavior. If this is how you are in relationships it’s no wonder you have ‘complicated’ on your profile. Nobody would tolerate that behavior. You’re probably lonely and bitter but even though it’s self induced you won’t acknowledge it. If this is how “godly men” are supposed to be I am so very happy to be an atheist.
But go on and pray to your sky daddy. Your prayers have ended every and all wars right? Oh well maybe they’ve ended poverty right? Oh then maybe they’ve eradicated crippling and deadly diseases right? Oh then it sounds like your prayers are worth less than the feces you flush from your toilet. Be sure you always have plenty of tissue paper.
You don’t debate! You avoid it by “responding” with quotes from your little book of holy fairy tales. You make baseless accusations. You lie. Yes I said you lie, and unlike you I can prove you make baseless accusations and lie. I’ve already given the evidence on this post but as always you choose to ignore it. You are a passive aggressive coward. You are a male but not a man. You’ll never be a man. And you’re comfortable with that.
You, @hippyjoe1955, and @Speedyman choose to deny solid evidence and hurl insults. All three of you are scared. I will say @Speedyman did apologize for a couple of typos which is more than you and joe are capable of doing.
Liar. Coward. Passive aggressive behavior. If this is how you are in relationships it’s no wonder you have ‘complicated’ on your profile. Nobody would tolerate that behavior. You’re probably lonely and bitter but even though it’s self induced you won’t acknowledge it. If this is how “godly men” are supposed to be I am so very happy to be an atheist.
But go on and pray to your sky daddy. Your prayers have ended every and all wars right? Oh well maybe they’ve ended poverty right? Oh then maybe they’ve eradicated crippling and deadly diseases right? Oh then it sounds like your prayers are worth less than the feces you flush from your toilet. Be sure you always have plenty of tissue paper.
Carazaa · F
@CopperCicada
OK, I think the atheists bring these topics to the table more. I don't like to discuss any of those things as much as what God has done for me. Jesus does say that we MUST come through Him if we want to reach God.
"IAM the way, the truth, the life, no one comes to the Father except through me?
OK, I think the atheists bring these topics to the table more. I don't like to discuss any of those things as much as what God has done for me. Jesus does say that we MUST come through Him if we want to reach God.
"IAM the way, the truth, the life, no one comes to the Father except through me?
GodSpeed63 · 70-79, M
@CopperCicada
Could you be more specific?
Yes. Atheists do. Also believers do. It is because of the materialism of our times.
Could you be more specific?
@KimWexler No. You have not respected anything. You don't deserve an explanation of real miracles I've seen, given the name you called my God, and I asked you to be respectful and act like an adult in your answers. You're another one who just wants to argue rather than discuss. God won't be mocked and I'll be glad when you meet Him face to face, and you certainly will, guaranteed, and see for yourself He is real, and we'll see how brave you are then to call Him that name to His face, and how you explain to God Almighty why you called him that filthy name. I don't care who disagrees with me or even if they don't have the same beliefs as me, but they don't have to be so disrespectful as to call someone's God what you did. Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Even you. You judge someone you don't even know.
Maximusmax · M
@KimWexler i will just say that to know God a person needs to find Him on their own terms and not just restrict their belief to the bible. It is a man made book
Carazaa · F
@Bushranger I am sorry but I was very direct look it up I don't have time to answer questions over and over. I prayed and answered very directly. It is so upsetting that people ask the same question every day! I am going hiking now. FYI, Look at Godspeeds post too, where I commented on the same subject.
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GodSpeed63 · 70-79, M
@Emosaur
What part did mean? Use your head, Emo, God created us to have fellowship with.
That's not the part I meant
What part did mean? Use your head, Emo, God created us to have fellowship with.
MarmeeMarch · M
@GodSpeed63 Sir, believe in God your way - and don't preach - You are not qualified to preach. You are the type of people that turn folks OFF on religion. You are no better than anyone else yet you think you are - Stick it
Go read your Holy Bible and call the world sinners. Hypocrite.
Go read your Holy Bible and call the world sinners. Hypocrite.
MarmeeMarch · M
@Carazaa ok
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Sharon · F
@Dianna
I'm see you're no longer interested in defending your position. Fair enough, I'm responding for the benefit of others who might otherwise believe your claims have been proven true.
There are a whole bunch of links for a whole bunch of events regarding visits/apparitions, especially involving Jesus and His Mother, Mary.
I asked for links to verified accounts. I'd already searched with Google and found nothing but links to unverified claims.If God doesn't exist/there's nothing beyond this world here on earth, how can we explain away every miraculous event that's taken place?
In some cases we simply don't know. Science searches for answers, it doesn't necessarily have them all - yet. Postulating a magical being like "god" doesn't help, it just leaves another question unanswered. Even if such a being does exist, it would not necessarily be the christian version.I'm see you're no longer interested in defending your position. Fair enough, I'm responding for the benefit of others who might otherwise believe your claims have been proven true.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@AnonymousJSS He is real, I seen it on Minecraft.
AnonymousJSS · 22-25, F
@SatanBurger 😂
The proof is in the experience. He recently saved my daughter from dying. Also a friend of mine. I've seen many more miracles, too. A die-hard alcoholic, cured of it instantly, never to take another drop, and go on to the ministry. I saw my minister preaching away, then go lay hands of healing on my friend, who was having a grand mal seizure during the service, on the head, which stopped it immediately, then go on to preach, without missing a beat. None, a coincidence.
There are many biblical examples of willful people ignoring the most spectacular demonstrations of God’s presence and power. Consider these: Pharaoh ( Exodus 11:10 ), the Israelites ( Exodus 32:1-4 ), Ahab ( 1 Kings 18:38-39 ), Jesus’ enemies (Mark 3:22 ). The ideology of naturalistic evolution is losing ground. Both laymen and scientists are growing increasingly aware that the universe and the life within it are much too complex to have been a mere accident. The so-called “Big Bang” set in motion a series of creative events so complex and perfect that all of man’s accumulated scientific wisdom is just beginning to explore them. A feat of cosmic engineering has occurred on such a vast scale, that objective observers are being silenced and humbled, just as Isaiah was humbled by his vision of God’s inconceivable greatness ( Isaiah 40:21-23 ).
There are many biblical examples of willful people ignoring the most spectacular demonstrations of God’s presence and power. Consider these: Pharaoh ( Exodus 11:10 ), the Israelites ( Exodus 32:1-4 ), Ahab ( 1 Kings 18:38-39 ), Jesus’ enemies (Mark 3:22 ). The ideology of naturalistic evolution is losing ground. Both laymen and scientists are growing increasingly aware that the universe and the life within it are much too complex to have been a mere accident. The so-called “Big Bang” set in motion a series of creative events so complex and perfect that all of man’s accumulated scientific wisdom is just beginning to explore them. A feat of cosmic engineering has occurred on such a vast scale, that objective observers are being silenced and humbled, just as Isaiah was humbled by his vision of God’s inconceivable greatness ( Isaiah 40:21-23 ).
Abstraction · 61-69, M
He is dead to people who ironically exert a lot of anger at the very idea they don't believe in.
For me, no.
1. I embrace science, history and philosophy. Nothing in those for an open-minded rational person that either proves or disproves the existence of God.
2. Some very rational ideas have evidences, but remain without definitive proof. This is one of them. It's not irrational to believe, for instance, that there is life on other planets. Not a shred of proof. This does not imply they must therefore believe in pink unicorns or flying spaghetti monsters (one of the really lame arguments).
3. Confirmation bias means most people are like shook cans of coke full only of the arguments that support what they already think. On both sides. They just spurt them. Often incapable of questioning them.
4. Having been agnostic and interested in the topic, I can probably catalogue the arguments against the existence of God. Some really good ones, others are quite lame. None are definitive.
5. When I stack up some of the most fascinating aspects of our beautiful universe, arguments for and against, and some other stuff - with my experiences - I don't conclude God is dead.
6. Good luck with whatever view you take. I'm never going to convince you. 10 years of discussion on EP shows after spending lots of time I can defend the rationality of either view (God or no god), but people get a bit nasty. Couldn't be stuffed. :)
For me, no.
1. I embrace science, history and philosophy. Nothing in those for an open-minded rational person that either proves or disproves the existence of God.
2. Some very rational ideas have evidences, but remain without definitive proof. This is one of them. It's not irrational to believe, for instance, that there is life on other planets. Not a shred of proof. This does not imply they must therefore believe in pink unicorns or flying spaghetti monsters (one of the really lame arguments).
3. Confirmation bias means most people are like shook cans of coke full only of the arguments that support what they already think. On both sides. They just spurt them. Often incapable of questioning them.
4. Having been agnostic and interested in the topic, I can probably catalogue the arguments against the existence of God. Some really good ones, others are quite lame. None are definitive.
5. When I stack up some of the most fascinating aspects of our beautiful universe, arguments for and against, and some other stuff - with my experiences - I don't conclude God is dead.
6. Good luck with whatever view you take. I'm never going to convince you. 10 years of discussion on EP shows after spending lots of time I can defend the rationality of either view (God or no god), but people get a bit nasty. Couldn't be stuffed. :)
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Abstraction
The question doesn’t even arise.
1. there's no proof that gods exist (otherwise we'd all be theists)
2. there's no proof that gods don't exist (they might be lurking around a mountain-top somewhere)
3. in any event, there's no compelling necessity to even postulate gods, and the postulation explains nothing... it merely tries to explain everything away. We can simply drop the postulation into the bin, and we lose nothing.
4. therefore, I have no gods
proves or disproves the existence of God
The question doesn’t even arise.
1. there's no proof that gods exist (otherwise we'd all be theists)
2. there's no proof that gods don't exist (they might be lurking around a mountain-top somewhere)
3. in any event, there's no compelling necessity to even postulate gods, and the postulation explains nothing... it merely tries to explain everything away. We can simply drop the postulation into the bin, and we lose nothing.
4. therefore, I have no gods
Maximusmax · M
@newjaninev2 but if there is a God it would not just end there. A living Being should be capable of some kind of relationship, which is where that step of existence leads to
Abstraction · 61-69, M
@newjaninev2 'The question doesn't arise'? The fact that it constantly does in itself is noteworthy (throughout history in most societies, continuing, and includes very intelligent people). This has more possible explanations than your stated interpretations I've read on SW. They're quite good, but there are other possibilities.
You've found no compelling necessity. You're being true to your findings. Great. I support that.
Of course, 'compelling necessity' isn't the only basis for reasonable postulation - a quick perusal of both the history and epistemology of science affirms that.
I prefer to say I have found good reason. You don't know what those many compelling reasons are that have convinced me. I have no evangelical need to try to convince you. I've noticed you do seem to have that. And, no, I don't attempt to explain anything away.
You've found no compelling necessity. You're being true to your findings. Great. I support that.
Of course, 'compelling necessity' isn't the only basis for reasonable postulation - a quick perusal of both the history and epistemology of science affirms that.
I prefer to say I have found good reason. You don't know what those many compelling reasons are that have convinced me. I have no evangelical need to try to convince you. I've noticed you do seem to have that. And, no, I don't attempt to explain anything away.
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Maximusmax · M
No progress when you don't answer. Anyway I have had enough fun. Thank you @Emosaur
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ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
Sharon · F
@GodSpeed63
Saying stupid stuff is not helping your case any not acting like a fool.
We leave that to you.
DudeistPriest · M
@Maximusmax Do out of body experiences count?
Maximusmax · M
@DudeistPriest count for what
Heartlander · 80-89, M
Mark 1:32 ...
"That evening, at sunset, people brought to Jesus those who were sick or demon-possessed. The whole town gathered near the door. He healed many who were sick with all kinds of diseases, and he threw out many demons. But he didn’t let the demons speak, because they recognized him.
Early in the morning, well before sunrise, Jesus rose and went to a deserted place where he could be alone in prayer. Simon and those with him tracked him down. When they found him, they told him, 'Everyone’s looking for you!'
He replied, 'Let’s head in the other direction, to the nearby villages, so that I can preach there too. That’s why I’ve come.'...
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"That evening, at sunset, people brought to Jesus those who were sick or demon-possessed. The whole town gathered near the door. He healed many who were sick with all kinds of diseases, and he threw out many demons. But he didn’t let the demons speak, because they recognized him.
Early in the morning, well before sunrise, Jesus rose and went to a deserted place where he could be alone in prayer. Simon and those with him tracked him down. When they found him, they told him, 'Everyone’s looking for you!'
He replied, 'Let’s head in the other direction, to the nearby villages, so that I can preach there too. That’s why I’ve come.'...
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Heartlander · 80-89, M
@Carazaa
I think the reason was far broader. If God was to himself heal everyone, drive out all the deamons, permanently fix all that's wrong, that would have taken away the role of "free will". It would have put God in charge of our lives rather than us in charge of our lives. His healing of the sick was a demonstrating of his power. The demonstration of power was also to flush out self-serving hypocrisy. By broadening his appeal, he set the stage for his own death.
And I do drive out demons! But that's not why he left. He said that it was not his time yet. He knew that once they heard he was God in the flesh they wanted to kill him.
I think the reason was far broader. If God was to himself heal everyone, drive out all the deamons, permanently fix all that's wrong, that would have taken away the role of "free will". It would have put God in charge of our lives rather than us in charge of our lives. His healing of the sick was a demonstrating of his power. The demonstration of power was also to flush out self-serving hypocrisy. By broadening his appeal, he set the stage for his own death.
GoldenWorm · 51-55, M
Grateful4you · M
@GoldenWorm My response too.
GoldenWorm · 51-55, M
@Grateful4you there's a billion Hindu and a billion more Muslims and a billion xtians. All of them assuming there's the only ones
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Carazaa · F
@Harriet03 I think you are right about it being rare growing up without a pastor or parental influence and I think totally differently regarding GOD and how to act as a Christian than other christian. I tell you I would not have made it without God growing up and moving as a teen to another country.
Carazaa · F
@Harriet03 Thank you but I am really a weak person without God. And He really helps me and He does more than answer my prayers he goes before me like a spirit who makes the road smooth. I realize now that I don't need to worry about anything as long as I put God first he takes care of me.
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Maximusmax · M
@GodSpeed63 no religion but I believe in God
GodSpeed63 · 70-79, M
@Maximusmax
I'm not religious either, but, I do know Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. Do you know Him as your Lord and Savior?
no religion but I believe in God
I'm not religious either, but, I do know Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. Do you know Him as your Lord and Savior?
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Speedyman · 70-79, M
This question was of course a figment of the imagination of some secularists who had their head screwed on the wrong way. The question is if course as stupid as the idiots who go on about the flying spaghetti monster. God is of course eternal and has now the beginning no end therefore cannot die. He does not cease to exist because people stop believing in him.
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@wilderflower Says someone with no grasp on reality at all. Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha. Run along you are too foolish to engage in discussion with.
wilderflower · F
@hippyjoe1955 Yet you spend time responding. Interesting.
Justiceforall · M
@newjaninev2 I read the posts that I am able to see and it is appalling how a man that is a Christian can talk to someone like there less then he is, and I had to put the Santa info in there to show him that there was a Santa Claus lol 😁 he wasn't imaginary as he said. He wants others to get there facts right he might try doing the same. I believe in God myself but I don't judge anyone for not believing in him, no matter I just needed to get that off my chest,
Justice for all
Justice for all
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GoldenWorm · 51-55, M
@UckfayOuyayOotay and after even ancient eons lie, even death may die.
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Grateful4you · M
@UckfayOuyayOotay Damn, so much for my imaginary friends in the sky, but hell they never answered one damn prayer. Useless non-entities.
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Carazaa · F
@Bushranger Everything!
Bushmanoz · 61-69, M
@Emosaur "Your kind has been claiming an invisible man in the sky to be real for literally centuries without any evidence"
When you read that, it really does make you wonder how anyone truly believes it. People have been put in institutions for less.
Also, I hate when people resort to saying you are too young to know. On the plus side it usually means you have a sound argument and they have to resort to that to refute it.
When you read that, it really does make you wonder how anyone truly believes it. People have been put in institutions for less.
Also, I hate when people resort to saying you are too young to know. On the plus side it usually means you have a sound argument and they have to resort to that to refute it.
GodSpeed63 · 70-79, M
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wilderflower · F
@GodSpeed63 You think just because someone wrote in a book long ago saying there’s a supreme being who created everything it must be true. If anyone would believe that they would also believe Santa Clause is a real being or the Flying Spaghetti Monster is real. Whenever someone shows doubts about your beliefs you quote from your special book of fairly tales known as this holy bible indirectly calling them a fool. You’re confused.
GodSpeed63 · 70-79, M
@Sharon
Do you actually believe in Santa Claus?
Of course He does. Many people have seen Him, including I. The evidence of His work is there every Christmas morning.
Do you actually believe in Santa Claus?
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Temporallube · M
@TheWildEcho atheists? They don’t believe in my God, despite the overwhelming evidence of evolution. 🤨
TheWildEcho · 61-69, M
@Temporallube so did it evolve?
Temporallube · M
@TheWildEcho evolve? That’s just His Pasta goodness fooling people to make them believe in the overwhelming evidence of evolution
GodSpeed63 · 70-79, M
@Harriet03
The Lord God is the only righteous judge who'd rather see Himself under the death penalty than us. This is why Jesus came into the world to bare our sins and be put to death on the cross instead of us. Then, He defeated death once and for all when He rose again.
I hope you never serve on a jury!!!
The Lord God is the only righteous judge who'd rather see Himself under the death penalty than us. This is why Jesus came into the world to bare our sins and be put to death on the cross instead of us. Then, He defeated death once and for all when He rose again.
Steveinlandsea · 51-55, M
SW-User
@Steveinlandsea Why do think that?
@Steveinlandsea Religion is not the same thing as a personal relationship with God.
SW-User
Well, as someone who is not an atheist but neither a religious person, I am still doubting about God's existence, but I strongly believe that He is never dead. In the bible, God sacrifices himself to save us, and then He reborn. He reborn which means He would never die. His immortality is eternal and will remain forever; that is what I believe He is.
But my opinion is just something that I believe, not that I saw. And the only way to find out the answer is death. Unfortunately, once we die, we can never go back to tell everybody the answer to God's existence. It will become a truth that no one knows but us.
But my opinion is just something that I believe, not that I saw. And the only way to find out the answer is death. Unfortunately, once we die, we can never go back to tell everybody the answer to God's existence. It will become a truth that no one knows but us.
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Sharon · F
@GodSpeed63 You're wrong again, as usual. You don't even know the difference between facts and excuses. What's your excuse?
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Sharon · F
@GodSpeed63
I doubt that.
You would but you'd just be wrong again.
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