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How can we ever hope to be able to stop violence in the general population, when we can't even stop people from hitting their kids?

if we can't stop these minor offenses against people who can't defend themselves, how can we prevent any major ones?

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Virgo79 · 61-69, M

Theres a fine line between abuse and training.
When we quit training people to be human, they won't .

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Jorgillo · 36-40, M

@RebelliousSpirit Do I need to imagine? isn't that a given?

RebelliousSpirit · F

@Jorgillo It is a given

sree251 · 41-45, M

@Virgo79 I never had to hit my dog when I was training it. I never got to the point where I felt that it was deliberately giving me a hard time.

HannahSky · F

Hitting kids isn't a [quote]minor offenses[/quote].

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sree251 · 41-45, M

@Really The western perspective is an intellectual mindset not rooted in reality. The bond between mother and child is a sacred one. Maternal instinct is a gift from God. When a woman has that, she can do no wrong. I never felt any resentment when I was chastised by my mom. I was always pushing her buttons.

Cruelty is abortion. Cruelty is birth control. People who are against a mother's right to discipline her offspring have no issues with birth control and abortion.

HannahSky · F

@sree251 you have some weird fetish going on

HannahSky · F

@Jorgillo it's not reading like that, probably using the hitting kids as an example doesn't work

SW-User

Good question. As they say, "charity begins at home".

Also, it isn't just minor offenses being committed against kids... You can't kick even a dog without expecting it to turn either timid or mean.

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Jorgillo · 36-40, M

@SW-User and sociopaths on the other hand are made by trauma. But this one is where I am speechless, especially when I hear a bunch of teenagers calling themselves sociopaths at 14. When scientists say that that can only be diagnosed after 18, but don't feel comfortable doing it before the age of 25. Since some brains take longer to develop.

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@Jorgillo 14 is too young to know. But the kids who call themselves that must think it's cool, for whatever reason. 😳🤨

Jorgillo · 36-40, M

@SW-User I have actually heared that psychopathy is also genetics. They have what's called the warrior gene. Which is why they constantly feel (depending on the environment they grow up in) as though they are at war with the world. Though it doesn't take psychopathy to feel like that. Waking up to the idiocy that's everywhere is reason enough.

kodiac · 22-25, M

All it does is teach kids it's ok to hit someone that doesn't do what they say and when the kid isn't big or strong enough to hit someone ,you get a school shooter.

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Really · 80-89, M

@kodiac You equate discussion with debate? I do not. Discussion is rational, curious, truth-seeking and involves thoughtful give & take. Debate is, at best ,entertainment; has little or nothing to do with seeking truth. In debate one chooses to verbally support either one of two mutually exclusive ideas or points of view, against an opponent defending its opposite. The object is to 'win' by force of superior rhetoric; basically shouting the other down. There's a lot of it goes on here and it's stultifying.

kodiac · 22-25, M

@Really So many big words , the old saying baffle them with bullshit certainly applies here . All without answering my simple question .

Really · 80-89, M

@kodiac Goodnight, and peace be with you.

Alyosha · 31-35, M

There's no will to punish evil anymore. It's all "acceptance of differences" and "toleration".

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RebelliousSpirit · F

@Alyosha Virtues are high moral standards but who determines what those standards are.
I'm not naive I look at reality and my own personal convictions.

Jorgillo · 36-40, M

@Alyosha hitting a kid isn't a difference. It's an attrocity by default. One of the many attrocities done in the name of love, the law, discipline, God even. It doesn't matter even if people's hearts are in the right place, when their hands are in all the wrong places.

atlantic59 · 61-69, M

@Alyosha interesting point..🙂

Really · 80-89, M

I believe that individual adults are likely to either adopt or reject, sometimes vehemently, the behaviors of their parents. The probability either way may be 50% or something else; I don't know. But I have seen that vehement rejection by friends & family members, for example in relation to alcohol, religious conviction, dishonesty, abusive and other antisocial traits. In some cases it may have been a question of[i] which[/i] parent - good cop/bad cop - to emulate.

I grew up with enough people (practically everyone in those days) who received physical punishment as children, to know that the suggestion it would make them into violent or cruel adults is absolute, laughable nonsense.

Gloomy · F

@Really Dude you didn't understand the post.
It's about how we as a society should stop violence when we can't even stop hitting kids.

Jorgillo · 36-40, M

@Gloomy empathy I guess isn't everyone's strong suite? which is why, I err on the side of science about things that matter. Not people who act like educated just because they studied computers.

AlchemyFox · 36-40, F

When my son makes friends and I'm there with other moms, I'm shocked by how inattentive they are and they think it's cute. They act like I'm overcautious but I'm worried for their kids. Like leaving 9 year olds in a pool unattended... No no no

sree251 · 41-45, M

@AlchemyFox You are a good mom. Did you leave your son unattended in society unattended?

SW-User

You can't

RebelliousSpirit · F

We should prevent violence against kids but all other forms can't and shouldn't be stopped.

Jorgillo · 36-40, M

@RebelliousSpirit why not?

RebelliousSpirit · F

@Jorgillo Only through violent means we can be free. A revolution is necessary and violence is part of our cruel existence

zonavar68 · 51-55, M

How do you propose to teach children to have respect if parents etc are banned by law from hitting?

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atlantic59 · 61-69, M

wow, what a real and value comment!

Jorgillo · 36-40, M

@atlantic59 elaborate?

atlantic59 · 61-69, M

@Jorgillo violence and abuse is often a learned behaviour

Jorgillo · 36-40, M

@atlantic59 true

MasterLee · 56-60, M

This is a non sequitur

Jorgillo · 36-40, M

@MasterLee of course it follows. Vionce begins at home and so does non-violence

MasterLee · 56-60, M

@Jorgillo twisted, convoluted

It all comes down to psychos putting pineapple on pizza.

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gregloa · 61-69, M

@Jorgillo maybe that’s your problem?

gregloa · 61-69, M

@Jorgillo so blame God for peoples sins? That makes a lot of sense. God didn’t do anything about it. Wow even you know better than that. Maybe you don’t??

Gloomy · F

@gregloa There is no God and sins are exclusive to your silly sadistic religious fantasies

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Jorgillo · 36-40, M

@Gloomy finally a brain that gets me.

Really · 80-89, M

@Gloomy [quote] only a personal anecdote [/quote]😅 😅.

Jorgillo · 36-40, M

@Gloomy They're not defending a mere questionable practice. They're defending an attrocity. Assault on a minor. And the religious freaks are even worse. They bring the bible and god into everything. But that doesn't fly with me.

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Gloomy · F

@SlaveEt There is no difference. It's hitting a child in an intimate area

SlaveEt · 36-40, F

@Gloomy
Lol

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