How can we ever hope to be able to stop violence in the general population, when we can't even stop people from hitting their kids?

@HannahSky The western perspective spares the rod and spoils the child.

@sree251 you're abusive if you believe that and hit kids

@HannahSky I don't think so. I can still remember the trashing my mom gave me. My father was the "woman" who was always there to save my hide.

@sree251 sounds abusive. You can raise kids well without physical abuse.

@HannahSky no it isn't actually. But compared to others.

@Jorgillo you seem to be intent on being abusive to kids

@HannahSky I didn't see it as abuse. I was always pushing the boundaries. One time, my mom bakes a chocolate cake. It was for my father's birthday and she had invited friends for dinner. I saw that cake and took a chunk of it after being told not to touch it. She was mad. She was still mad when my father blew off the candles. She glared at me from across the table. It's strange that she always comes to mind whenever I get that impulse to test boundaries.

@sree251 sounds like you need some therapy

@HannahSky Do you see kids as victims? There was a bunch of them - in Singapore - who keyed expensive cars and even threw bricks on them. They were nabbed by the police and sentence to whipping (in accordance to Bristish-inspired penal code). Clinton tried to intervene on behalf of an American kid who probably was the bad influence in the group. He was nevertheless whipped but with lesser number of strokes than his Asian partners-in crime. Each stroke of the cane split the skin on his bare backside. I am glad it my mom who trashed me when I was four.

@sree251 [quote]whipping[/quote]=abuse

@HannahSky Abuse? And you would rather have kids shooting up and killing their classmates and teachers in school. Strange mind-set you have.

@sree251 hitting kids isn't stopping anything, it's inciting fear and teaching violence to kids.

@HannahSky no for crying out loud. I just meant hitting kids is minor offence compared to other offences people do. Of course it isn't minor in an of itself. It's an attrocity actually. Where do you figure my intent to be abusive to kids. This is the shit I am fighting against.

@Really The western perspective is an intellectual mindset not rooted in reality. The bond between mother and child is a sacred one. Maternal instinct is a gift from God. When a woman has that, she can do no wrong. I never felt any resentment when I was chastised by my mom. I was always pushing her buttons.

Cruelty is abortion. Cruelty is birth control. People who are against a mother's right to discipline her offspring have no issues with birth control and abortion.

@sree251 you have some weird fetish going on

@Jorgillo it's not reading like that, probably using the hitting kids as an example doesn't work