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did you hear that Cleopatra was black

yep that is right, Netflix confirmed it as did the writers of the series. So it must be true.

Just ignore the lawsuit happing against Netflix by some Egyptians for trying to erase their history.
Surely it wouldnt be Hollywood trying to rewrite history to put black people at the center of everything instead of just making compelling shows on Black history that does not include slavery
Race swapping is just far easier
room101 · 51-55, M
When people talk about Cleopatra, they generally mean Cleopatra VII. It's important to understand this because, in the Ptolemaic dynasty, all of the kings (pharaohs ?) were named Ptolemy and all of the queens were named either Cleopatra, Arsinoe or Berenice.

In terms of the racial appearance of Cleopatra VII, there is every likelihood that she would have looked very similar to Adele James, the actress portraying her in the new Netflix series. Maybe, given her (ie the actual Cleopatra VII) Hellenic ancestry, a slightly lighter skin tone. But, in my not so humble opinion, pretty accurate casting.

Quite frankly, this Egyptian "lawyer" is talking out of his rear end!
Really · 80-89, M
@Torsten [quote]i dont care either way[/quote]
⁉️ 😂 🙄
Torsten · 36-40, M
@Really why is that funny? who really gives a shit about certain races being the majority or not? maybe its a American thing, i dont know..
@Torsten It's not my "belief," it's a projection based on current trends.


[quote]New census population projections confirm the importance of racial minorities as the primary demographic engine of the nation’s future growth, countering an aging, slow-growing and soon to be declining white population. The new statistics project that the nation will become “minority white” in 2045. During that year, whites will comprise 49.7 percent of the population in contrast to 24.6 percent for Hispanics, 13.1 percent for blacks, 7.9 percent for Asians, and 3.8 percent for multiracial populations[/quote]

Now's your turn to cite a contradictory projection by another think tank with the same prestige as the Brookings Institution.
Netflix presents a Donald trump biography..

pride49 · 31-35, M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout forgot the stank ass bronzer
Torsten · 36-40, M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout cant wait to watch it. I hear a black Hitler documentary is coming out soon also
Who gives a shit?

She definitely wasn't Arab, which modern Egyptians are, so that lawsuit is pretty hilarious. Who cares what actress a Netflix show chooses?
@MartinTheFirst Making small talk about the weather is very different from latching onto every piece of bullshit American "culture war" nonsense and acting like it's consequential.
MartinTheFirst · 22-25, M
@SW-User Actually it's just as bullshit in my opinion.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@SW-User I agree with you. These clowns are so triggered by this nonsense.
And they have no idea what is being done to them psychologically speaking.
The elites are getting [b]rich[/b] off division and anger.
If anything they should be offended by that.
val70 · 51-55
Yes, and there are plenty of academic books written about it. The Egyptian lawsuit states though that “most of what Netflix platform displays do not conform to Islamic and societal values." So no, it isn't about the issue of Cleopatra being black at all but keeping her good enough for today's norm set by certain people in power there. Somehow some think that by her staying pure white (because of being of Macedonian descent) is somewhat reassuring. Oh right, all that marrying into the family will keep one white, etc. No, she wasn't white like Elizabeth Taylor because being Macedonian in the first place didn't mean that at all. And no blond hair and blue eyes for sure.

In short, no, it's not about "rewriting history". And there were plenty of white slaves in America too at one time. There were in fact at one moment of time more white slaves than black. Often they were people who wrote themselves away into slavery. Of course, the plantage slaves in the South were in general always black for obvious reasons that the white slaves near to never could do the work to be done there on the plantation. The same happened in The Caribbean or South America. And, of course, enslavement of Europeans was in general banned in the early 19th century, while enslavement of other groups was permitted. Even after several measures to ban slavery in the late 19th century, the practice itself around the world was continued largely unabated way into the early 20th century.

One example to illustrate why Egypte knows already that Cleopatra could be black and doesn't even care about it would be its former president Anwar Sadat. He was and is Egyptian.
val70 · 51-55
@Diotrephes America is America is America. Now don't bother me any more. I showed you enough
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@val70 I thought you would appreciate the opportunity to share your treasure trove of knowledge.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@val70 Thank you for the additional information.
This is a spurious and silly argument, because nobody knows for sure.

At least 25% of her ancestry was Macedonian and Persian (Greek and Iranian).

However, there are two major missing elements. I believe the ethnicity of her mother and grandmother are unknown.

Egypt was a nation of merchants who were in contact with African nations and the traffic and commerce went both ways.

So she could have been mixed race or lily white or somewhere in between. The reason we think of her as white is because hollywood told us so with Liz Taylor.

I for one do not care, not even a little. Do the movies that featured white actors as Native Americans make you this annoyed?

Source: knowledgesnacks.com
@Mamapolo2016 And, of course, all of humanity is of African descent!

This is a more informative map of migration patterns but I can't get it to link and display
@ElwoodBlues Now you've done it!
helenS · 36-40, F
The historical Cleopatra may very well have been black. We don't know though, because skin color was irrelevant at that time.
Zeusdelight · 61-69, M
@helenS Ok. It would seem from what you are saying that the various races were fairly well mixed and no one was able to dominate another or it was culturally non-competitive?
helenS · 36-40, F
@Zeusdelight Most slaves during the epoch of the Roman Republic were Romans. Debt slavery. Black-skinned humans were not seen as "slaves by nature".
Zeusdelight · 61-69, M
@helenS Not actually referring to slaves or any particular colour. A lot of discrimination and dominance occurs, in my view, because there is a dominance of a populous type over a less populous type. However, if there is no numerical, physical or financial dominance, the dominance will not occur and the types will need to co-exist and work together.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
[quote]erase their history.[/quote]

Why do you rightwing soy-boys get soooooooooooooo upset by these casting decisions? Why are few black hobbits and fremen such a threat to your sense of identity?

[i]Grrrrrrrrrrr! Starbuck should be a dude and all these social justice NAZIIs are determined to ruin shit.[/i]

To write a story with the only main protagonists as white men because it's concentrating on 'just storytelling' is [i]also [/i]based on political assumptions.
room101 · 51-55, M
@Burnley123 I've just instructed my solicitor to sue the producers of "300" because Leonidas was played by Scotsman and Xerxes by a Brazilian.

I also contemplated suing the Broccoli family because James Bond has been played by a Scotsman, an Irishman and, heaven forefend, an Aussie. Sadly, my solicitor advised against it on the grounds that 007 is a fictional character.
All I know is that many Egyptians have a darker skin tone than many people from Middle East . Maybe they were darker around the time Cleopatra lived which would make them black skin tone.

And here’s an Egyptian actor, he definitely has a dark skintone which some people consider black. [image deleted]
@SW-User she was Greek/Macedonian...Cleopatra's family weren't from the Levant, which Egypt isn't even in 😆
@SW-User ok ok, you are right. I forgot which countries are but Egypt is considered part of the Middle East. Still she probably had African blood in her.
princess arsinoe
A computerized reconstruction of the skull of Princess Arsinöe reveals physical characteristics of a mix of white European, black African and ancient Egyptian.
According to Hilke Thür, this mixed heritage provides “a real sensation which leads to a new insight on Cleopatra’s family and the relationship of Cleopatra and Arsinöe”. Obviously, this raises the interesting question as to whether Cleopatra had African ancestry as well.

The story of the discovery of Princess Arsinöe’s tomb and the subsequent research linking the tomb to Cleopatra

There’s some speculation that she did have African ancestry as well. Princess Arsinoe was her sister. 🤷🏻‍♀️
@SW-User Egypt is in North Africa (note: that doesn't make them black, Africa is very diverse) and her family were mostly closely related. They came from Greece and Macedonia. Royal families are known for marrying their relatives and subsequently procreating with them, and in ancient Egypt it was more extreme. Her parents were siblings, their family had ruled Egypt for around 300 years but were originally from Macedonia. They hadn't mixed with any Africans lol. There may be *some* Persian heritage...similarly though Persians aren't African
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
Hulu should do just the opposite... 😅

Torsten · 36-40, M
@wildbill83 man could you imagine the outrage from that from the same people that try saying now that raceswaps dont matter
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
@Torsten imagine if they made a redo of planet of the apes with an all black cast... 🤔
Torsten · 36-40, M
@wildbill83 they wont do that just like they will never raceswap Tarzan.

Oh for fuck sake 🤦‍♀️ jeez they really are trying to [b]push the black narrative and change things[/b] maybe to [b]divide people again..[/b]

Who are these so called writers.

Anyways some people sadly do not do their own research and or look through history. White people have also been slaves and look at it from [b]when we are born: you go to primary school followed by High school later its off to college/uni or instead a job and when finished college/uni a job[/b] in the end you grow old and [b]hit the bucket (die)[/b]

We learn things that [b]THEY want us to know/follow/believe[/b] and if you think for yourself and or go against the narrative such as in 2020 and following years well they [b]make you look like that bad/evil one where the evil ones seems to get away with it..[/b]

Edit: Glad I never made an account on that and don't plan to same with other things e.g. Disney as they went woke and have such things aswell.
@PrincessRoarBuddy How are white people negatively impacted today by the fact that some of them were slaves in the past? Do you actually think that's equivalent to the effects of slavery on Black Americans?

By the way, "the Illuminati" was a made-up organization invented by a German scholar in the 1700s because he was mad about the Jesuits at his university not advancing him, and the Freemasons weren't open to his ideas, so he started his own group. The Illuminati was resurrected by the Discordians in the 1960s, who added a bunch of nonsense on their own. It has no more validity than the Church of the Sub-Genius or the Pastafarians.
It's fine as long as white people can play black people

Oh right...they can't 🙄
@Slade pls show
@Slade I bet you would.
Slade · 56-60, M
@SW-User I am even more negroe than the negroes
You need a hobby. Too much free time is not a good thing for you.
BigGuy2 · 26-30, M
@SW-User ... who said anything about 'proving' logic ... i said to you "...truth and logic..." - then i pointed out that logic is a concept
... you don't have to prove 'logic' ... it's a concept[/i][/b]

🤔 so did you really say the below:

[b][i]you don't have to prove 'logic'
Where did you go to school?[/i][/b]

[b]🤔 ... YES, you DID [/b]

...if i'd have said 'truth/logic' then you may have a point, but i didn't, so you haven't 🤪🤪🤪

...here's 3 more 🤪🤪🤪
@BigGuy2 your line-you don't have to prove 'logic‘
Yes, you do.

Don’t play games with me.

Still no comments on the rest .


when you come up with something meaningful, I will reply
BigGuy2 · 26-30, M
@SW-User ... NOPE, logic is a concept, because i can give logic on an issue, but people may disagree with MY logic ...

...you can't disagree with facts, as in 5+5 = 10 {🤔 i think, or is it 11 🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️}

🤔 ...let's see, who else: Sidney Poitier

🤔 ... what else 🤪🤪🤪

...i know that discussions can go off on tangents, but what has the Jim Crow Laws got to do with the original premise of the post 🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️

"...twice your age..." you are confusing your IQ with your age range ... that's NOT a good sign
redredred · M
She was a Greek from the Ptolemy family. No blacker than Socrates.
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BigGuy2 · 26-30, M

...'stupid' 🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️

...'disgusting' 🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️ - ah, euthanasia
BigGuy2 · 26-30, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow ... you can't even provide ONE instance EVER of where i'm 'lying' being a 'racist' being 'stupid' ... what else 🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️

...oh right, i'm disagreeing with you, according to you, that makes me racist does it
DeluxedEdition · 26-30, F
it's wild how the word "white washing" exists but leftists literally try to wrongfully rewrite history and make all these false exclamations about characters in history being black. Next they will say ghengis Kahn was black lmao. and then the media instead of making NEW movies for african americans to star in they just replace the white characters.
BigGuy2 · 26-30, M
@Torsten shouldn't we be complaining about 'Cultural Approbation' 🤭🤭🤭
DeluxedEdition · 26-30, F
@BigGuy2 I wasn’t trying to go there but bw always have something to say about ww wearing braids and how it’s cultural appropriation meanwhile they will go around with blonde straight wigs.

I don’t care what anybody does or how they express themselves but the hypocrisy is unreal
BigGuy2 · 26-30, M
@DeluxedEdition ... i agree, i'm tired {it's appropriation, not approbation} 🤭🤭🤭

... there was a discussion on Dr Phil about cultural appropriation - henceforth CA - there was some 'Professor' {University of Mickey Mouse} who mentioned it, but no one pointed out to him that if he had an issue with CA, why was he wearing a suit, shirt and tie 🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️ {he was black}
Burnley123 · 41-45, M

Next, these woke elitists will rewrite history with Jesus as an arab.

AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@Burnley123 everyone knows Jesus is Mexican. Lol
Elessar · 26-30, M
@Burnley123 Don't forget when they were outraged over the fact a black [b]mermaid [/b]wouldn't be realistic enough
how can a Netflix series “ erase” the history of an entire country? Lmao
BigGuy2 · 26-30, M
@room101 🤔 ... i see the 'Liberal Hivemind' is kicking in, i've been accused of racism by one person {based on NO EVIDENCE whatsoever} then you ALL use the same word ... 🤪🤪🤪
BigGuy2 · 26-30, M
@room101 ... why am i feeling 'unsafe' 🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️
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What does it matter? Colour of her skin is irrelevant. She was a ruler. A leader. A woman who used her wiles and her ways to be a conqueror. Focus on what matters.
@BigGuy2 The world is ripe with idiots. Mind who you waste your time upon. These same spread hatred.
BigGuy2 · 26-30, M
@PoetryNEmotion ... wise words indeed, but if you don't verbally smack them down, they've won haven't they, that is what this CANCEL CULTURE is all about ... 'THEM' trying to smack NORMAL people down by accusing us of 'Racism' etc etc etc
@BigGuy2 I think you may waste a lot of precious time attacking fools. It is your time. I recognize when a battle is warranted. I do not carry about an aggressive attitude. And I do not tolerate fools. That is my take on the matter. Have a great day. Winning? It is a matter of perspective.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@helenS [quote]The historical Cleopatra may very well have been black. We don't know though, because skin color was irrelevant at that time.[/quote]

Have you forgotten about those Blacks in the Bible?

Song of Solomon 1:5-6 (KJV) = "5 I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon.

6 Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me: my mother's children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard have I not kept."

Jeremiah 13:23 (ERV) = "A black man cannot change the color of his skin, and a leopard cannot change its spots. In the same way, Jerusalem, you cannot change and do good. You always do bad things."
Slade · 56-60, M
@Slade I can't. I'm a liberal.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@FrogManSometimesLooksBothWays [quote]That's racist.[/quote]

Almost every page of the Bible is racist. It is one of the most popular pieces of racist literature ever written.
calicuz · 51-55, M
Everything is fine as long as the ones doing the complaining and filing the law suits are actually real Egyptians of Egyptian decent and blood lines, and are not Arabs who make up the majority of Egypt's population now.
Carla · 61-69, F

This is a partial gallary of actresses that have portrayed cleopatra.
Please mark the ones that you possess faux outrage for.
Then...don't watch those movies.

There...fixed it for you.
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BlueVeins · 22-25
Cancel culture in action
@BlueVeins Except this time it's the liberals being cancelled, so it doesn't count.
Convivial · 26-30, F
My understanding is she was one of the Ptolemy descendants, from Macedonia, so i don't think she would have been black
revenant · F
Next Helen of Troy will be black too !🤔

Julius cesar, Alexander the Great, Plato, Cicero, Ragnar, The Yellow Emperor...all black all black they were at the time. The evil white man lied to you all along.
val70 · 51-55
@revenant Alright, both the Iliad and the Odyssey give us almost no description whatsoever of Helen's physical appearance. They do refer, however, to Helen as being “white-armed”. No sun bathing for her then
eMortal · M
@revenant I see.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@revenant [quote]Next Helen of Troy will be black too !🤔

Julius cesar, Alexander the Great, Plato, Cicero, Ragnar, The Yellow Emperor...all black all black they were at the time. The evil white man lied to you all along.[/quote]

Have you forgotten the "one-drop" rule?



[b]6 U.S. Presidents You Most Likely Didn’t Know Were Black, Ranked[/b]
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@wildbill83 Hitler was far less racist towards Blacks than FDR was.
Torsten · 36-40, M
@SW-User well they love rewriting History, may as well change Hitler to be a black Hero that ended the war and imprisoned all the Nazis.
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
Really · 80-89, M
I'm going to sue the US military for desecrating my ancestors and their fallen by stealing "The Flowers o' the Forest" and having the audacity to play it on the bagpipes while wearing pseudo-highland dress. Some of them don't even have red hair !!

AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
So they enslaved themselves in Egypt ? That doesn’t reflect too well on their history .
MartinTheFirst · 22-25, M
@AthrillatheHunt racism in ancienty egypt lol... is that what youre talking about?
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@MartinTheFirst it would have probably been like an indebted servant based in debt rather than skin color id figure .
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@helenS true.
Yes I read many years ago that she was black. So what? She looks like president Joe Biden now.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@AtticEscapee JoeB has way better embalming. Lol
Racist liberals: i can see some egyptians who look tanned, that means egypt is black!

Torsten · 36-40, M
@SW-User haha so many have tried with that logic on here and yet they keep calling others racist. The irony is hilarious
Ugh...its from Jada Plinket-Smith studios.
Anything to shine light on herself.🙄

This isnt a "black" thing, this is a "Jada" thing.
@bookerdana im surprised she didnt cast herself as Cleopatra😏
bookerdana · M
@OogieBoogie Skyrocketing cost of wigs,idk.....???!!! She(Cleopatra ) was a very enterprising ,intelligent woman but Netflix,UGH

Torsten · 36-40, M
@OogieBoogie of course its a Jada thing but also a Netflix thing because they do this often
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
How does this "erase history"? This is theatre, a medium of entertainment, not a serious attempt to establish objective historical fact. Shockingly enough, dark skinned people did and do live in Egypt, so this is actually an interesting and thought-provoking casting decision. Which I am sure was what was intended 🙂
MartinTheFirst · 22-25, M
@SunshineGirl I really fail to see how it's thought-provoking in this day and age 🤣
Slade · 56-60, M
Blsckwashing is in and greatly encouraged
Slade · 56-60, M
@BigGuy2 ugly, grotesquely skinny aliens!
BigGuy2 · 26-30, M
@Slade ... skinny yes, the ugly/ grotesquely part is their attitude
Slade · 56-60, M
@BigGuy2 oh they got the looks to match
we know a lot about her. Lots really
and she was the 7th of that name.
a member of the family of Ptolemy , she was mostly

there were INDEED periods of Black leadership in africa

but that was centuries before her era

can you link that article? about netflix lawsuit
If you look at the King Tut mask, it’s obvious he was Black. So was Anwar Sadat. But yeah, Cleopatra must have been white. Probably had Viking ancestors.
MartinTheFirst · 22-25, M
@LeopoldBloom he was clearly golden.
Torsten · 36-40, M
@LeopoldBloom she was Macedonian Greek not Norwegian.
If you wanna talk about Netflix blackwashing a Norwegian historical figure, i sure as hell can go into that also
I don't actually care. She lived so long ago that no one actually knows for sure, and anyone who says they do is lying. Netflix can do what the hell it likes.
@SW-User 🤦🏻‍♀️
BigGuy2 · 26-30, M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout idris is a good actor, he was tipped to be the next James Bond and he'd be a good Bond, but he's black 🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️

... in movies, you have to suspend belief somewhat in the story line, but you have to say sometimes, "in real life, this would never happen"
Slade · 56-60, M
Have they done one where Geo Washington was a BLM black yet?
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Slade You should really learn American history.
Slade · 56-60, M
@Diotrephes Yeah I've been quite remiss with that. I only have a degree in it
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Slade Is your degree from the School of Hard Knocks?
Banksy83 · 36-40, M
Some say that Jesus was black so you never know really. But some say Mary cuckolded Joseph
@Banksy83 Mary could not have cuckolded Joseph. Mary was a virgin.
Banksy83 · 36-40, M
@FrogManSometimesLooksBothWays explain why Joseph married Mary
@Banksy83 Joseph loved Mary, but he was impotent. Viagra didn't exist back then. So old Joe was a no go.
akindheart · 61-69, F
I just read an article in either the Smithsonian or National Geographic. They don't even know where she is buried. She is of Greek descent. I doubt she is black.
akindheart · 61-69, F
@Diotrephes thanks for the clarification. That is what I thought it meant. It appears to be an OLD law and one we don't prescribe to now if the dates in your reply are correct.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@akindheart Don't you thinkthat theonedroprule could apply to Cleopatra?
akindheart · 61-69, F
@Diotrephes maybe. I just found out pocahontas is my 10th great grandmother. I have zero american indian in me. Too diluted
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BigGuy2 · 26-30, M
@jshm2 @Torsten has already outlined as to what the issue is, their speel ...

@Torsten ... it may be an idea you sending him what Netflix said
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BigGuy2 · 26-30, M
@Torsten well said
She may even have been a redhead. No joke.
Torsten · 36-40, M
@SW-User that would explain the race swap. Hollywood love raceswapping red headed women for black women
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
Tres13 · 51-55, M
Elizabeth Taylor is Cleopatra ,an English woman
@Tres13 Funny. By the way, she was American. She was just born in London.
Did you hear that Muhammad Ali was black?
StanleyStark · 80-89, M
@FrogManSometimesLooksBothWays [b]YES I DID. [/b]A freind of mine told me, I think it was one late (very late) Saturday evening in 1978. Or was that 79?
@akindheart Beautiful!
Northwest · M
White, black and nationality are modern concepts. Cleopatra was probably a mix of Macedonian, African and possibly Persian. Back in the day, and up until recently, royalty was the product of multiple royal lines, generally from various “neighboring” regions.

Check out European royal lines.
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
Since they're all about being "inclusive", they should do a black gay feminist transgender muhammed... 🤣

I'm sure the muslims would love it so much that they'd show up at the premier and have a blast... 🤔
BigGuy2 · 26-30, M
@wildbill83 ... 'blast' yes, but not the fun kind
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@wildbill83 [quote]Since they're all about being "inclusive", they should do a black gay feminist transgender muhammed... 🤣

I'm sure the muslims would love it so much that they'd show up at the premier and have a blast... 🤔[/quote]

There are physical descriptions of Muhammed in the Islamic literature.
Funlov · M
Always a agenda now a days sadly
Netflix presents..
Nubian nazis

MasterLee · 56-60, M
eMortal · M
That lady isn’t black. She’s mixed. If you’re thinking she’s black because of the one drop rule then you know exactly who you are.
Entwistle · 56-60, M
Can anyone say for definite what colour skin she had?
Torsten · 36-40, M
@Entwistle there are a lot of experts who have studied and researched Cleopatra for the longest time and there is no indication she was black. She was Greek and said to have fair skin. Nobody can say for certain what her skin color was but its safe to say what it wasnt based on no evidence to support it
Entwistle · 56-60, M
@Torsten So,once again can anyone say for definitely what colour skin she had? Yes or no?
Torsten · 36-40, M
@Entwistle already answered you
whats it matter what color she was,,when the lights are out, every one is the same color,,

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