did you hear that Cleopatra was black

@SW-User ...it may be an idea you saying that to these nutjobs, then Torsten wouldn't have felt the need to comment on it in the 1st place

@BigGuy2 This is the green m&m , budlight all rolled into one .

Unfortunately, we don’t have exact flesh tones worked out from that era.

It just doesn’t matter(at least to me)
The bigger affront was Elizabeth Taylor playing the part.

@SW-User... i won't bother repeating myself

@BigGuy2 I edited, perhaps you should.
I reserve all rights to edit as I go.

@SW-User i don't need to edit anything, i said exactly what i needed to say AND it still applies ...

... i may ADD {but it's picking up on your comment about Elizabeth Taylor and it being an 'affront'}

... Elizabeth Taylor was the biggest/most famous actress of the time AND they didn't have this nonsense of boiling everything down to 'RACE' when it was made ...

...first and foremost, it was a film relaying a story for entertainment purposes

... because using this thick as pigshit logic of "you can only have a person who's experienced what's happened in the title role", so stemming from that nonsense, you will have to have ACTUAL murderers playing murderers in films, same applies to Rapists/Pedo's/Mass Killers etc etc etc

@BigGuy2

Slow your roll, I edited.

Your comment-
first and foremost, it was a film relaying a story for entertainment purposes
..
Same applies to this.


All of older period pieces were clownish…they are what they are…British accents and all.

Not certain of your logic on the last part of your reply.

I am of the opinion that the best actor/actress should be considered. I do appreciate the concern for the cultural aspects with this current iteration.

The fact that we are wrapped so tight about black, white, brown etc and what skin tone should be cast is a fool’s errand.

@SW-User ... we are not ALL wrapped up in issues of colour/race - that's the nutjob Democrats ONLY ... NORMAL people are only responding to all this nonsense

As for my Logic ... this nonsense of Cultural Appropriation, wherein ONLY Africans can wear African attire and ONLY black people can play {what may be seen as} black people as actors/actresses - has that Logic sank in now ... i can't believe i'm pointing it out to you, bearing in mind the subject matter of the post

Best actor/actress for the role: which black actress was as successful as Elizabeth Taylor, i don't believe there was one

"Same applies to this" - but that's not the real issue here is it, as Cleopatra was not black, her ancestry was Greek/Macedonian

@BigGuy2

Ptolemy line- The descendants of the general that got the region after Alexander’s death.

Same applies to this" - but that's not the real issue here is it, as Cleopatra was not black, her ancestry was Greek/Macedonian.

Elizabeth Taylor- was a black actress considered?
I wonder why that was?

So you were ok with people getting spray tanned to look a little darker in the film?

@SW-User ... NOPE, she MAY have been spray tanned, but she looks completely white to me in the movie {it'll have probaly been done that way to show her 'Olive Skin' so in keeping with Greek/Macedonian heritage} - there is i believe only one depiction of Cleopatra, she looks Greek to me {encumbent with the usual Greek 'big nose'}

{and DON'T start accusing me of Big Nose ... ISM} 🤪🤪🤪


"...was a black actress considered..."

Feel free to give a role-call of black actresses of her STATURE {as an actress} that could have done the role, even then, there are other factors at play {actors/actresses tied to the various Film Studios} ... did the Film Studio that made the film have a black actress on their books, again of her stature 🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️

BUT

...YOU are working on the assumption that Cleopatra should have been portrayed as black...{"...was a black actress considered..."}

i'm not working on that assumption

And again ... the over-riding issue was entertainment

The quote below is from Torsten's 1st few lines of his post:

"did you hear that Cleopatra was black

yep that is right, Netflix confirmed it as did the writers of the series. So it must be true."

...now, if Netflix and the writers had said something along the lines of:

"There has been a lot of depictions of Cleopatra as being played by white women, but we've done it with a black woman" ...

... there wouldn't have been an outcry would there, or Torsten creating this post

{as i recall, the 1st instance of there being a black woman as the lead role was Disney's 'The Frog Prince' ??? - } there wasn't an outcry there was there, because it was believable that a woman who is black should be portrayed as the female lead, because it was set in the Deep South - {which was and still is predominantely black people}

🤪🤪🤪

@BigGuy2

Feel free to give a role-call of black actresses of her STATURE {as an actress} that could have done the role, even then, there are other factors at play {actors/actresses tied to the various Film Studios} ... did the Film Studio that made the film have a black actress on their books, again of her stature 🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️

I wonder why…

End of the Jim Crow era, if I recall.

You think you are clever,

The Ptolemy line had been in place since 300 bc ish…The “ Cleopatra era” was 270 years +- later.
Yes, her family was from Macedonian lineage.
Over the course of 270 years, things happen, marriages etc..

All I am really saying is we don’t know.

@SW-User ... then as now, 60% of actors/actresses are out of work ...

... if Hollywood was racist, would Hattie have won the Oscar for her portrayal in 'Gone with the Wind' - your argument is collapsing in front of your eyes

🤔 "...i wonder why..." indeed 🤪🤪🤪

"...we don't know" - speak with Netflix and their writers, as they seem pretty damn sure she was black 🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️

@BigGuy2 If they had come out and said they were doing their interpretation of Cleopatra, I wouldnt have said anything. That is not what they're doing though. In the marketing they even say "i dont care what you learned in school, Cleopatra was black". They are making this as if its 100% factual and that is my issue with it. Netflix and Hollywood should not get away with constantly trying this shit. History is far more important than them

@BigGuy2 Hollywood was a reflection of the nation. The roles that black actors were allowed to play in etc.


There were many Jewish actors in Hollywood.

Go back and address Jim Crow..
Young buck

@Torsten ... i know, that's what i've said to him 🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️

@BigGuy2 yeah mate I know. Just being more clear with why i made this thread is all

@SW-User... presently, there is 16% of the population that is black, if there is 16% reflection in EVERYTHING, i have no problem with that ... 17, 18, 19 - should it be happening

... i'd guess there was even less of a % way back in the 1950's etc etc

🤔 ... shall we have 16% ONLY in Basketball teams 🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️

🤔 ... let's see, 16% that's 10% full stature ... 6% being a dwarf

@Torsten apologies, what you clarified is exactly what i was trying to say to him

@BigGuy2 no need for apologies. All good. I wasnt disagreeing with you

@Torsten 👍👍👍

@BigGuy2 oh, ok sure.

@SW-User ... more than happy to continue, truth and logic always wins out over ideology, let's see if we can hit 400, 500 ... 1,000 🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️

@BigGuy2 you have proven nothing.

@SW-User

... you don't have to prove 'logic' ... it's a concept

...as for facts - if my history is sadly off, i believe Ptolemy was Greek/Macedonian - there was intervening Centuries between Ptolemy and her, but outside facts stating the line intermarried with black people, you have to assume that Cleopatra was seen then as Greek/Macedonian - even 2-300 yrs down the line...

...i believe that the Ptolemies practiced what the Ancient Egyptians practised anyway with regards to marriage - as in brothers and sisters marrying each other - {maybe that's why there's no evidence of dynastic marriages}

@BigGuy2 yes, as I stated, Greek/ Macedonian..
Ptolemy was a general under Alexander.
That line was considered as outsiders.

Yes, North Africans by appearance can look different than sub Saharan Africans.
As can white South African settlers…or perhaps
Children of Chinese families who have migrated to Africa..(it’s happening in large numbers).

Through trade routes etc. the opportunity to trade the Muslims etc.
Egypt developed on its own in many ways.

It doesn’t change anything about the contributions of the rest of the continent of Africa.
Ethiopia and the history of the Christian church.
Timbuktu as a center of culture and learning in Western Africa.

Oh, and the fact that every dna line came from Africa.

Also, nothing to add about Jim Crow laws and why black actors couldn’t get lead roles ?

Thought not.

Again, I am at a loss as to why anyone now cares.
Other than your position of she wasn’t black..
Which says loads about the cultural stigma that still exists, even in Egypt.

you don't have to prove 'logic'
😅🤣🤣🤣
Where did you go to school?

Logic is proofs…

I knew that because of math.

Derp.

Just so you know am twice your age, born in south Alabama. I know the bullshit undertones of this string and your defense of it..is laughable.

Be well. I am done with you

@SW-User ... who said anything about 'proving' logic ... i said to you "...truth and logic..." - then i pointed out that logic is a concept

... you don't have to prove 'logic' ... it's a concept

🤔 so did you really say the below:

you don't have to prove 'logic'
😅🤣🤣🤣
Where did you go to school?

🤔 ... YES, you DID

...if i'd have said 'truth/logic' then you may have a point, but i didn't, so you haven't 🤪🤪🤪

...here's 3 more 🤪🤪🤪