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Do you believe corporal punishment was abolished in schools because they found out certain pupils were secretly enjoying it?

There is a popular belief that that was the reason why. Your thoughts?
denis · 61-69, M Best Comment
The night my girlfriend and I were caned by the headmistress together was the night we lost our virginity. We have since married and caning has played an integral part in our sex life.
MaryDreamilton · 46-50, F
@denis That's a prime example of what I mean.
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Bad4U · 22-25, F
propably the teachers were enjoying it to much
MaryDreamilton · 46-50, F
@Bad4U Why do so many people look at it that way instead of from the pupils' point of view?
Bad4U · 22-25, F
@MaryDreamilton well the pupils "point of view" is usually looking down on the floor... while the teacher looks at the ass
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Nitedoc · 51-55, M
In my schools in the South they could paddle kids up through the 12th grade. Boys and girls. I think some of them did like it. I know some teachers and administrators did too! There are still 19 states in the US that allow corporal punishment.
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Nitedoc · 51-55, M
@MaryDreamilton I'm not going to discuss the problems in school discipline anymore. That's not even what this thread is about. I got side tracked.
PleasurePunch · 100+
@MaryDreamilton Maybe its just an SW thing. OK? Like in real life I guess. Not interested.

But if I really had to say, this kind of perversion is about child abuse. Go look at it.
I'm old enough to not only remember it, I experienced it. I certainly didn't like it, but it kept me in line. I suspect a few teachers enjoyed it, though.
WetPeter · 61-69, M
@BizSuitStacy Where I went to school we got the strap on the hands as punishment. I think some enjoyed administering it.
MaryDreamilton · 46-50, F
@WetPeter I notice everyone seems to focus on those who enjoyed administering it. I was trying to focus on those of us who enjoyed receiving it.
WetPeter · 61-69, M
@MaryDreamilton I didn't enjoy receiving it at the time although looking back at it now I kind of fetishize it. I was terrified the first few times I got the strap. It was more of a routine the last few times I got it. I recall that I got it about a dozen times between the 5th and 11th grades.
sfish007 · 61-69, M
it paved the way for many things - especially when private school or religious school based.. One, there is a sexual component, when one is exposed.. The humiliation and exposure also adds to the situation for the one handling the discipline.. One also finds that if the punishment is severe enough, one is more quickly to agrees to other things, that will diminish the pain.. Then over time, the pain pleasure mix manifests in that person for the rest of their life.. Many adults will share that they cannot find the pinnacle of pleasure without some modicum of pain..
@sfish007 Very well put.
Kids that got the cane was treated like heroes and the ones to hang around with
jackcros · 70-79, M
@Retrospection Take it like a man, at least in an all boys school
Sharon · F
@nevergiveup I got the cane at homme quite often too. At least 6 and usually 12 on the bare so a normal school caning was relatively tame compared to that.
jackcros · 70-79, M
@Sharon my parents helped me with school as well. Mum was good at French and maths, dad with the practicals like electrical wiring. Both tanned my backside regularly to help me with school inflictions!
I doubt it. What happened is more people realized that it's barbaric and didn't want it inflicted anymore. As others have pointed out, nobody cared if any of the students enjoyed it, but the teachers enjoying it was a problem.

During the Rodney King beating trial, it came out that one of the LAPD chiefs (not Daryl Gates, another guy whose name I can't recall) had given a sermon in a church where he was a lay pastor, where he talked about beating children until he raised welts in their skin and how exciting this was.

Edit: It was Robert Vernon. If Gates was Stalin, Vernon was Beria.
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LAURAJAYNE1 · 22-25, F
I am in the Uk. Mum canes my bare bottom and I dont enjoy it.
Musicman · 61-69, M
@Kzatovhich Who caned you and what were you last caned for?
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Musicman · 61-69, M
@Kzatovhich Did she help you improve your grades and be on time?
Klingwood · 61-69, M
I can tell you I never enjoyed it at school or home
Klingwood · 61-69, M
] I understand and I realize I needed it and deserved all of it and probably still do
@MaryDreamilton I know several people who did, including my sisters, my wife, and me.
Klingwood · 61-69, M
@MaryDreamilton yes ma'am I understand,I know today I would like it even though I'd still hate the pain and embarrassment and I guess that was true then as well .I felt better after I was punished and it felt good to have a woman pull my pants down ,a part of me wanted that,wanted her to see me and to even shame me and make me feel small.
Thevy29 · 41-45, M
Never heard of that. Only one teacher in my school was allowed to use Corporal Punishment. Since he was the one that usually got the worst behaved students in school. (Parents gave him written permission even when he didn't ask for it)
He used 'The Beach Bat' it was bigger then a ping-pong racket and had been reinforced by the woodwork teacher, and It was covered in graffiti. The only way you could write your name on that thing was to get smacked by it.
Though he rarely used it. He had such a loud bellow he could rattle windows and your very core.
And yes. It took me 3 years of being in his class to earn my name on it.
During lunch, he was on his knees leaning on a desk as he did, and the Beach Bat was on the counter behind him. I couldn't resist. He smacked him across the ass with it, just as hard as I could. He yelled. I dropped it and ran. Got on top of a desk trying to climb over when his heavy footsteps caught up to me and I was launched over the table and out the door.
I poked my head into his class halfway through the next lesson. He just looked at me and laughed.
gandalf1957 · 61-69, M
bullying was one of the automatic caning offences at my senior school in the UK under the headmaster in charge there from September 1971 through to December 1983. There were others too:
cheating in school exams
smoking (tobacco) - drugs weren't in the UK schools then leastways not mine!
stealing
truanting
some other crimes got the cane too depending on the prevailing circumstances.
I know some did enjoy it but that wasn't the reason for banning it.
MaryDreamilton · 46-50, F
@SensibleJulie What do you think the real reason it was abolished was, Julie?
LookingIn · M
And/or maybe those administering the canings?
MaryDreamilton · 46-50, F
@LookingIn Someone always looks at it from that angle. I was speaking on behalf of the recipients of corporal punishment.
Sharon · F
I don't think that was why it was abolished but it's true that some pupils and teachers were getting off on it.
jackieash · 26-30
@MaryDreamilton They are most definitely not the minority. That is why it was banned and there has never been any real desire to bring it back. Whether or not you have a fetish for punishment role play is totally irrelevant.
Sharon · F
@MaryDreamilton [quote]What do you think the real reason it was abolished was,[/quote]
Beating children against their parents' consent was a breach of the European Convention on Human Rights. To comply with the treaty, schools would either have to stop beating children or obtain the child's parents' consent. Headteachers couldn't bare the thought of allowing parents to have any say in how their children were treated in school so had to accept the only option left.
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DrWatson · 70-79, M
I am old enough to remember corporal punishment and to remember the push to ban it.

No, this is not what was talked about at the time.

And I have to wonder how "popular" this belief actually is.
Musicman · 61-69, M
@DrWatson No one from our era believes this.
MaryDreamilton · 46-50, F
@Musicman I know one or two people in your age group as well as plenty in my own age group (and younger) who wanted to retain corporal punishment. People with masochistic tendencies tend to think the reason it was stopped was to take away their private enjoyment of it. Believe me, a lot of people who are so inclined think that.
Convivial · 26-30, F
I don't think so... Part of the rights of the child, the problem is they forgot to stress that with rights come responsibilities
MaryDreamilton · 46-50, F
@Convivial What about the rights of pupils to secretly enjoy being punished in that way? Why shouldn't we have any rights?
Subsumedpat · 36-40, M
I think it is only later they enjoy it
Subsumedpat · 36-40, M
@MaryDreamilton I guess it is different in a bdsm setting.
MaryDreamilton · 46-50, F
@Subsumedpat That's usually where sadomasochistic desires begin.
Subsumedpat · 36-40, M
@MaryDreamilton i guess i got a little bit of that
MartinII · 70-79, M
A nice thought, but I think it was an early example of what we now call wokery.
Musicman · 61-69, M
@MartinII Yes! Exactly!
jackieash · 26-30
More like it was turning on the pervert teachers.
MaryDreamilton · 46-50, F
@jackieash Another one seeing it from that point of view, rather than the pupil's.
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Fentonisfree · 51-55, MVIP
@MaryDreamilton some teachers did as well
Adrift · 61-69, F
It used to be corpral punishment wasnt allowed when I was in school unless it was in self defense. kids were kicked out of school if they were a problem and the parents had to find an alternative school to take them too.
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
No. They got soft on the children… participation prizes for example
MaryDreamilton · 46-50, F
@cherokeepatti They were given in my old school and I'm talking about the 80s and 90s. Maybe it's different in the States.
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
@MaryDreamilton no, it started happening here when my daughter was in school, probably not as much as it is now. I think late-80’s for grade school.
MaryDreamilton · 46-50, F
@cherokeepatti I started primary school in 1980. I left school in 1992. It was done in the late 80s.
smiler2012 · 56-60
@MaryDreamilton 😆sadomasicism at school at an early age wow that is a new angle too the abolishment of school corporal punishment
MaryDreamilton · 46-50, F
@smiler2012 It's not that rare, and it's certainly not new.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
A sadist and a masochist were walking together one day. "Hit me! Hit me!" said the masochist. "NO!" said the sadist.
MaryDreamilton · 46-50, F
@hippyjoe1955 Lol :)
Thodsis · 51-55, M
Was that a 'popular belief' amongst dodgy headmasters who are too dead to be taken to court?
MaryDreamilton · 46-50, F
@Thodsis Maybe, but I was talking about those of us who enjoyed being on the receiving end. I know a lot of people who share my belief that that was the reason why corporal punishment was abolished in schools.
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Sharon · F
@OldMan70 I know some boys did but it was more common anong girls.
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There [i]may[/i] have been some who actually enjoyed it, but I think it was abolished because of its barbaric nature.

Humans are an [i]incredibly[/i] primitive species. And, I'm just about ready to leave it all behind. My transition can't come too soon. It's going to be the best part of my life.
Nitedoc · 51-55, M
I don't think so.
MaryDreamilton · 46-50, F
@Nitedoc What do you think the real reason was then?
Musicman · 61-69, M
No I don't.
MaryDreamilton · 46-50, F
@Musicman Why not?
Sidewinder · 36-40, M
Corporeal punishment was never administered when I was in school.

(at least not in the 90's when I was there)
MaryDreamilton · 46-50, F
@Sidewinder That's because they stopped doing it in 1987. I just wondered if my stated reason was correct.
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MaryDreamilton · 46-50, F
@Barebum61 Exactly. And a lot of pupils secretly loved that tingle and wanted to experience it again and again, but the selfish, spiteful authorities put a stop to it just because [i]they[/i] didn't enjoy it.
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MaryDreamilton · 46-50, F
@Barebum61 Exactly.
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MaryDreamilton · 46-50, F
@JamesBugman That "giblets" comment was over the top and unnecessary.
JamesBugman · 56-60, T
@MaryDreamilton Sorry, removed it.
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MaryDreamilton · 46-50, F
@jshm2 I'm not being daft. If anything, you are. All you seem to be doing is sheepishly following some of the other answers on here.
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MaryDreamilton · 46-50, F
@Nitedoc Bullies are hated so much in my part of the city that one of them was once beaten up so badly that he was in a coma for about three months. That's how heavily we take bullying here. We defend victims and we enjoy giving the attackers a large dose of their own medicine. We are similarly harsh in our treatment of thieves.
MartinII · 70-79, M
@MaryDreamilton There was little serious bullying in my school. If any was discovered, the culprit was beaten.
MaryDreamilton · 46-50, F
@MartinII Good.
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@Spoiledbrat You might well ask

 
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