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Elessar · 26-30, M
@soar2newhighs Literally the first thing you find concerning the truthfulness of that quote:
[i]While more can always be said, and it’s hard to prove a negative, there’s no evidence of this list published before 1946. It seems to have been published in the UK then made its way into American right wing circles like the John Birch Society in the 1960s. It’s a pretty common way of attacking enemies: make the qualities of the thing you oppose (modern liberal society) conflated with those of a group already unpopular (Soviets). But your instincts that is too on the nose seem right, there’s nothing evidence Lenin ever said this and it’s a popular late twentieth century chain message.
Source: Boller. Paul F., Jr., and John George. They Never Said It. New York: Oxford Univ. Press, 1989 (p. 114-116).[/i]
TL;DR: It's old school right-wing crap propaganda but still right-wing crap propaganda it is.
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[i]While more can always be said, and it’s hard to prove a negative, there’s no evidence of this list published before 1946. It seems to have been published in the UK then made its way into American right wing circles like the John Birch Society in the 1960s. It’s a pretty common way of attacking enemies: make the qualities of the thing you oppose (modern liberal society) conflated with those of a group already unpopular (Soviets). But your instincts that is too on the nose seem right, there’s nothing evidence Lenin ever said this and it’s a popular late twentieth century chain message.
Source: Boller. Paul F., Jr., and John George. They Never Said It. New York: Oxford Univ. Press, 1989 (p. 114-116).[/i]
TL;DR: It's old school right-wing crap propaganda but still right-wing crap propaganda it is.
pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M
I live in Canada.. Welcome to gun control and guns are heavily controlled in Canada. There are over three million licensed holders of firearms in Canada, six hundred thousand of whom have additional licenses that allow them to possess handguns. to get those licenses applicants have to take a gun safety course, written and practical demonstration of the law, function and safe practices.. then upon receipt of the certified results students can apply to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police with the payment of fees for a license. The application included guarantors, includes the spouse's contact information and signature and it takes months to process this application.. Then if approved by the police after they do their work on your background and references and have spoken to your spouse you get a license..
There are two and only two approved uses for long guns in Canada - target / skeet shooting and hunting.. Hunting requires additional licenses and additional courses.. You may not use a hand gun for hunting in Canada.. If you are in the woods and a bear charges you, it is a rifle or bear spray, no hand guns..
Storage of guns in your home is heavily regulated.. Guns must be kept unloaded, disabled with trigger locks.. locked in a safe or secured to a wall with a lock if displayed. Ammunition must be kept in another room... Self defence with a gun is not a legal or practical option in Canada - the time it would take to get a gun operative from its legally mandated storage renders the issue impossible and this was by specific intent.. ten or more minutes and multiple movements are required to get ammunition, and get it into a functional firearm that has this many intended obstacles in front of it..
No municipality in Canada permits the discharge of a firearm.. This means that all gun clubs/ranges are in rural locations and to fire a gun at one of these facilities involves a road trip. Farmers are allowed to use rifles to protect their lives stock and for varmint control on their own property.. or to allow licensed shooters to come on their property to help them with this.
You need a license to purchase ammunition in Canada... no license, no sale.
The ONLY approved use for a handgun is target/range use. Further the storage and transportation of a handgun is subject to additional restrictions... It can only be transported unloaded, trigger locked, in a locked case... It can only be transported from your home to the range directly and via the most direct route... you can not transport it to any other place. Proposed laws will prevent the purchase or sale of a new or used handgun - a complete freeze on handguns...
This new proposed legislation is ridiculous and several steps too far for no good purpose or reason. Why? Licensed gun owners have been totally vetted by the RCMP... who issued them their licenses.. Gun ownership is a privilege not a right and no gun owner will put this privilege at risk.. they act responsibly and in strict accordance with the law. The only gun crime that takes place on the streets is by criminals who obtain guns and ammunition smuggled across the US Canadian border. This legislation will do nothing to eliminate or even reduce this traffic in smuggled guns.. Criminals will always be able to get hand guns and ammunition - they do not obey the law.
Ten percent of the population (who vote) are being victimized and scape goated by this additional legislation and that is more than enough to lose an election so come the next election this legislation will be reversed.. in the interim after it was proposed every new or used hand gun available in Canada was purchased as it was now or never for those licensed and the RCMP has been working OVERTIME to help their license holders to obtain registration to get their guns before the legislation is enacted.. The Police could not possibly be more helpful or accommodating...and they make a point of thanking license holders for being responsible gun owners. They have a cooperative and helpful relationship with the people they have granted licenses to. Hand gun prices have skyrocketed in Canada.
That is gun control in Canada.
There are two and only two approved uses for long guns in Canada - target / skeet shooting and hunting.. Hunting requires additional licenses and additional courses.. You may not use a hand gun for hunting in Canada.. If you are in the woods and a bear charges you, it is a rifle or bear spray, no hand guns..
Storage of guns in your home is heavily regulated.. Guns must be kept unloaded, disabled with trigger locks.. locked in a safe or secured to a wall with a lock if displayed. Ammunition must be kept in another room... Self defence with a gun is not a legal or practical option in Canada - the time it would take to get a gun operative from its legally mandated storage renders the issue impossible and this was by specific intent.. ten or more minutes and multiple movements are required to get ammunition, and get it into a functional firearm that has this many intended obstacles in front of it..
No municipality in Canada permits the discharge of a firearm.. This means that all gun clubs/ranges are in rural locations and to fire a gun at one of these facilities involves a road trip. Farmers are allowed to use rifles to protect their lives stock and for varmint control on their own property.. or to allow licensed shooters to come on their property to help them with this.
You need a license to purchase ammunition in Canada... no license, no sale.
The ONLY approved use for a handgun is target/range use. Further the storage and transportation of a handgun is subject to additional restrictions... It can only be transported unloaded, trigger locked, in a locked case... It can only be transported from your home to the range directly and via the most direct route... you can not transport it to any other place. Proposed laws will prevent the purchase or sale of a new or used handgun - a complete freeze on handguns...
This new proposed legislation is ridiculous and several steps too far for no good purpose or reason. Why? Licensed gun owners have been totally vetted by the RCMP... who issued them their licenses.. Gun ownership is a privilege not a right and no gun owner will put this privilege at risk.. they act responsibly and in strict accordance with the law. The only gun crime that takes place on the streets is by criminals who obtain guns and ammunition smuggled across the US Canadian border. This legislation will do nothing to eliminate or even reduce this traffic in smuggled guns.. Criminals will always be able to get hand guns and ammunition - they do not obey the law.
Ten percent of the population (who vote) are being victimized and scape goated by this additional legislation and that is more than enough to lose an election so come the next election this legislation will be reversed.. in the interim after it was proposed every new or used hand gun available in Canada was purchased as it was now or never for those licensed and the RCMP has been working OVERTIME to help their license holders to obtain registration to get their guns before the legislation is enacted.. The Police could not possibly be more helpful or accommodating...and they make a point of thanking license holders for being responsible gun owners. They have a cooperative and helpful relationship with the people they have granted licenses to. Hand gun prices have skyrocketed in Canada.
That is gun control in Canada.
fortycreek · M
@pdqsailor1 that is not likely to happen, that includes way more of the population, that is picking a different fight and in reality would mean banning
Wiseacre · F
We are still sane!@pdqsailor1
pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M
We have been sane for a very long time, this new legislation is scape goating and it is beyond unfair.. and the government will pay the price for victimizing people. This legislation will do NOTHING to curb criminal behaviour with smuggled guns and ammunition. When a liberal candidate comes to my door I will open my wallet and pull out my license and show it to the candidate... they will get the message that they will NOT be getting this households votes.. two days ago a criminal took a gun and fired a bullet at my friends sailboat while it was moored at a marina in Toronto and they hit his mast severely denting it. This legislation won't stop this behaviour.. @Wiseacre
dakotaviper · 56-60, M
First, refer to the US Constitution, specifically the 2nd Amendment.
Second, Criminals will never ever obey Gun Control Laws.
Third, by enacting more and more Anti-Gun Laws, they will never ever prevent Crime from ever happening. Mainly because on September 11, 2001, those hijackers of 4 jetliners did not use guns to overtake those planes that were used to kill over 3000 people.
Fourth, by establishing Anti-Ghost Gun Laws will only prevent someone like myself from ever building a Kentucky Rifle from scratch again.
Fifth, Gun Control Laws are only a false sense of security because over 90% of all school shootings have happened in Gun Free Zones.
Second, Criminals will never ever obey Gun Control Laws.
Third, by enacting more and more Anti-Gun Laws, they will never ever prevent Crime from ever happening. Mainly because on September 11, 2001, those hijackers of 4 jetliners did not use guns to overtake those planes that were used to kill over 3000 people.
Fourth, by establishing Anti-Ghost Gun Laws will only prevent someone like myself from ever building a Kentucky Rifle from scratch again.
Fifth, Gun Control Laws are only a false sense of security because over 90% of all school shootings have happened in Gun Free Zones.
fortycreek · M
@sunsporter1649 yes i have been there
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pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M
@SheCallsMeCrushDaddy What the laws do not do is to prevent criminal misuse of a fire arm. What gun laws do is to spell out what sanctions will result from criminal behaviour. Gun laws in Canada prevent law abiding citizens who are licensed from possessing certain fire arms or accessories.. eg. Pistols with magazines greater than ten rounds, suppressors, etc.
@pdqsailor1 Their idea of criminal behavior is merely owning an unregistered weapon. My idea of criminal behavior is actually using a firearm to commit a murder, assault or robbery.
pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M
The list of criminal behaviours is far more extensive than you consider.. I was at a friends sailboat last evening.. a criminal fired a gun and the bullet hit his mast, it dented it severely and the surveyor will say it needs to be replaced.. $30K... so an insurance claim. The number of laws broken will fill a full page single spaced.. and it involved none of what you describe.. @SheCallsMeCrushDaddy
BlueVeins · 22-25
I think there should be a gun licensing program consisting of
1) criminal record background check
2) firearms competency training
3) an introduction to caring for one's own mental health, in some form
4) Volunteer work, so such as to possibly sway anyone intent on doing evil
5) a first aid course
6) a limitation on the number of guns one can have at a time, which is (logically) backed by
7) a national registry of all firearms in circulation
1) criminal record background check
2) firearms competency training
3) an introduction to caring for one's own mental health, in some form
4) Volunteer work, so such as to possibly sway anyone intent on doing evil
5) a first aid course
6) a limitation on the number of guns one can have at a time, which is (logically) backed by
7) a national registry of all firearms in circulation
irishmolly72 · 56-60, F
@BlueVeins Interesting ideas, but you would have a lot of skeptical people to pursuade. Good luck!
Graylight · 51-55, F
“Antifederalists,” those who feared a large centralized government, never wanted the Constitution. The opponents worried the new government would establish a “standing army” of professional soldiers and would disarm the 13 state militias. These militias were the product of a world of civic duty and governmental compulsion; not weekend warriors. Every white man age 16 to 60 was enrolled. He was actually required to own—and bring—a musket or other military weapon.
James Madison, who won election to Congress only after agreeing to push for changes to the newly ratified Constitution, proposed 17 amendments. One addressed the “well regulated militia” and the right “to keep and bear arms.” We don’t really know what he meant by it. It stayed that way for 200 years until [i]Heller[/i], when the steep shift on this amendment was unprecedented.
But that’s the history of the amendment; you know, the one every single HS drop-out suddenly understands with the clarity of an oracle. The practical issue at hand – and the vastly more deadly one – is that too many people die from too many guns. We don’t parse out the elemental reasons and agents and existential arguments when a vehicle crash happens; we don’t wonder if it’s drivers or really the cars killing people. That’s all NRA double-speak.
We know there are too many guns because people keep dying.
We know few care enough to voluntarily make a change. Wait until it’s their child.
We know what helps. Strict gun regulation.
We know what works better. Virtually no access to firearms.
We know it can be done. We're the only major nation not to have yet done it.
The answers are easy. The action is hard.
James Madison, who won election to Congress only after agreeing to push for changes to the newly ratified Constitution, proposed 17 amendments. One addressed the “well regulated militia” and the right “to keep and bear arms.” We don’t really know what he meant by it. It stayed that way for 200 years until [i]Heller[/i], when the steep shift on this amendment was unprecedented.
But that’s the history of the amendment; you know, the one every single HS drop-out suddenly understands with the clarity of an oracle. The practical issue at hand – and the vastly more deadly one – is that too many people die from too many guns. We don’t parse out the elemental reasons and agents and existential arguments when a vehicle crash happens; we don’t wonder if it’s drivers or really the cars killing people. That’s all NRA double-speak.
We know there are too many guns because people keep dying.
We know few care enough to voluntarily make a change. Wait until it’s their child.
We know what helps. Strict gun regulation.
We know what works better. Virtually no access to firearms.
We know it can be done. We're the only major nation not to have yet done it.
The answers are easy. The action is hard.
Dainbramadge · 56-60, M
@Graylight Cars kill way more people than guns.
Should we restrict the people who don't do anything wrong with their cars?
Lets make it harder for everyone to get a license and a car to make that number go down.
Should we restrict the people who don't do anything wrong with their cars?
Lets make it harder for everyone to get a license and a car to make that number go down.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@Dainbramadge Cars aren't created with the express purpose of taking life.
Dainbramadge · 56-60, M
@Graylight So let's just punish a bunch of people that don't do anything wrong with their guns because of a few nut jobs???
It would be easier and more effective to make sure more people had guns.
That would work.
You will never un-invent the gun. So why not deal with it the way that would work rather than punish law abiding citizens.
It would be easier and more effective to make sure more people had guns.
That would work.
You will never un-invent the gun. So why not deal with it the way that would work rather than punish law abiding citizens.
fanuc2013 · 51-55, F
My hubby has been a competition shooter for many years, and had attended major shooting matches with as many as 2000 shooters all with guns and ammo, and there has never been a problem. And some of these matches have been held for over 100 years! Also, every year my hubby says he sees more and more women shooters at the matches! He talks to a lot of people and they come from all walks of life, and has
met some interesting people.
met some interesting people.
StrictSouthernHOH · 46-50, M
@SW-User Not under red flag laws where the accused is denied his or her rights [i]before[/i] before being allowed to rebut the allegations.
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@StrictSouthernHOH I highly doubt that.
FlowersNButterflies · 61-69, F
@StrictSouthernHOH It's okay. Temporary restriction is not permanent.
Besides, that gun restrictions exist is well known. NOT allowed at the Capitol, NOT allowed on airplanes, NOT allowed in courthouses, Not allowed where posting say they are not allowed.
Lots of restrictions exist already.
Besides, that gun restrictions exist is well known. NOT allowed at the Capitol, NOT allowed on airplanes, NOT allowed in courthouses, Not allowed where posting say they are not allowed.
Lots of restrictions exist already.
FlowersNButterflies · 61-69, F
Uvalde.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@AwakeningConfession221122 Funny thing, the rest of the word doesn't have issues with primary schools being warzones. Wonder why that is?
This bullshit NRA crap is why you have these shootings in the first place.
This bullshit NRA crap is why you have these shootings in the first place.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@AwakeningConfession221122 In almost 30 years of school shootings the "good guy with a gun" bullshit has worked out exactly 0 times. Even when there were armed guards at the school.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@Ozymandiaz Sold much oil to the chicoms lately?
@sunsporter1649 Yes, does that make you angry?
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@sunsporter1649 According to you and another white supremacist felon the "chicoms" are hiding in Stanley Park in BC.
Rhode57 · 56-60, M
I have always made how I feel pretty clear . No one unless they have a specific need to have a gun for their livlehood for instance they alligator hunt every year, needs a gun and all other guns should be taken out of the hands of civilians . I am just wondering how many innocent civilians in the USA are gonna have to die before someone will stand up and say enough is enough and bring laws in to ban the ownership of guns in civilian hands .
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@CorvusBlackthorne Look it up
pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M
@Qahnaarin Gee and that is why I thought they make prisons - break the law, go to prison.. So if a criminal highjacks an air craft and is going to smash it into a building you figure you should be able to buy one and crash it into his house? If a Criminal nation builds nuclear bombs - you figure you personally should have one to bomb their nation? if a drug lord has a Tank with a 100 mm cannon - you figure you should have one too? How about automatic weapons? You figure you should have them? There are sensible LIMITS to everything and the man who proposed this idea was one William Ruger - the founder of a very large and successful firearms manufacturing company that bears his name.. it is a reasonable limit on firearms insanity, it should be the law and prison should be the place for those who do not obey the law.. and I am a gun owner.....
I live in Canada - there are magazine capacity limits on every single firearm not exceeding ten rounds with ONE singular class of firearms.. exempted and that is Rimfire rifles.. carbines because things like lever action Marlins wth tube magazines existed at the time they formulated the law can hold more than ten rounds... if Canadians can live with ten round magazine capacity limits or LESS than this than so can you.. I know it may not be as convenient but honestly if it takes more than ten rounds to hit a target or hunt for an animal - you should spend more time practicing.. your forefathers made do with a single round and if they did not hit what they were aiming at - they did not eat. . if you go back to the revolutionary war - the entire affair was fought with single shot muskets so please keep some historical perspective about the technology and time line of fire arm development... the constitutional protections never foresaw the technology of repeating firearms.. not revolvers, not carbines ... none of it.. an originalist argument could be strongly made that single shot fire arms are the ONLY thing protected by the constitutional right to bare arms.. so please consider that the considerable intellect of Bill Ruger was espousing a fair idea when he said ten rounds..
I live in Canada - there are magazine capacity limits on every single firearm not exceeding ten rounds with ONE singular class of firearms.. exempted and that is Rimfire rifles.. carbines because things like lever action Marlins wth tube magazines existed at the time they formulated the law can hold more than ten rounds... if Canadians can live with ten round magazine capacity limits or LESS than this than so can you.. I know it may not be as convenient but honestly if it takes more than ten rounds to hit a target or hunt for an animal - you should spend more time practicing.. your forefathers made do with a single round and if they did not hit what they were aiming at - they did not eat. . if you go back to the revolutionary war - the entire affair was fought with single shot muskets so please keep some historical perspective about the technology and time line of fire arm development... the constitutional protections never foresaw the technology of repeating firearms.. not revolvers, not carbines ... none of it.. an originalist argument could be strongly made that single shot fire arms are the ONLY thing protected by the constitutional right to bare arms.. so please consider that the considerable intellect of Bill Ruger was espousing a fair idea when he said ten rounds..
pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M
@Qahnaarin I am a Canadian gun owner... I follow and I obey the laws in Canada - and there are a LOT of them... I obey them to the letter of the law.. I follow the rules and I am what the RCMP calls a "responsible gun owner". I have spoken to the RCMP and they could not be more helpful or respectful... I took the courses, I filled out the application and paid the fee, and submitted the application and the RCMP agreed to issue ME a possession and acquisition license - which is a privilege not a right in Canada, you need to demonstrate that you have met the standards .... This process took nine months.. after you get the license, you can purchase a gun and ammunition, no license no gun - under the law.. There are a LOT of rules and laws to obey.. I know them, I follow them. Now criminals buy guns and ammunition smuggled into Canada from the USA with no licenses and no rules followed and every single day you read about some criminal breaking the law.. I don't say this is not fair, I say find the criminal and throw them into prison.. that is where they belong.
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dakotaviper · 56-60, M
@BohemianBoo under a 'Red Flag' Law, if you flip someone the bird and it offends them, then all they would have to do is report you, and then you'll have your guns taken away. It's that simple.
fortycreek · M
fortycreek · M
@soar2newhighs I hope you are incorrect, i just think its a shame that this is a real discussion in 2022, all I know if people dont try and make a change, it will never improve
@fortycreek With no disrespect intended, as I’ve got and had great Canadian friends who were and are influencers in my life, so my comments are not intended to be divisive or offensive. That said I believe the hundreds of thousands who’ve come here under the acceptance of our government (IMO) for political purposes, will eventually tire and once having gotten a taste of a country where their “ better lives” will wane, they will if not already, eye up your country as the next stop for a “ better life”.
To give an example as to how messed up this is, in Texas where illegals flood and cross our borders, pretty much encouraged and just let into the country, they’re being put on buses and sent to Washington DC and NYC as per the Governor of Texas, and the respective mayors of those “ sanctuary” cities all of a sudden despite touting how they are sanctuary cities, are not happy. It’s the NIMBY syndrome. It’s a flood they can’t deal with but are stuck with.
It won’t happen tomorrow but I believe it will. Be ready!
To give an example as to how messed up this is, in Texas where illegals flood and cross our borders, pretty much encouraged and just let into the country, they’re being put on buses and sent to Washington DC and NYC as per the Governor of Texas, and the respective mayors of those “ sanctuary” cities all of a sudden despite touting how they are sanctuary cities, are not happy. It’s the NIMBY syndrome. It’s a flood they can’t deal with but are stuck with.
It won’t happen tomorrow but I believe it will. Be ready!
fortycreek · M
@soar2newhighs no offense taken at all, i will commend you actually, especially here where so many get offended and block over a different opinion
Humans went nuts from too much information on the internet. They certainly don't need more power like guns. Cause when given the option of a gun it will always be the very first thing they resort to at the slightest inconvenience. See the Subway shooting over mayo for example. Look at any horror story from a retail worker. Humans have a habit of always choosing the most extreme option first.
Dino11 · M
Let's get a viable, workable, fair law enforcement system in place, nationwide,
and reduce the need for protective firearms.
And get gun laws passed, like California's successful one, and let that improved law enforcement closely monitor the purchase and use of firearms.
We don't, and shouldn't, have to live in a combat zone.
and reduce the need for protective firearms.
And get gun laws passed, like California's successful one, and let that improved law enforcement closely monitor the purchase and use of firearms.
We don't, and shouldn't, have to live in a combat zone.
pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M
@Dino11 Guns being justified for self defence is where the problem starts in America and it is what is turning residential neighbourhoods into combat zones..
The energy and efficiency of modern firearms was never contemplated in the US constitution.. and history tells us that even the smallest calibre firearms are highly deadly.. Ask the victims of the Reagan assassination attempt or the Bobby Kennedy assassination... 22 calibre revolvers. So what is this compulsion for higher rate of fire, higher capacity and high energy fire arms? It is ridiculous.
The energy and efficiency of modern firearms was never contemplated in the US constitution.. and history tells us that even the smallest calibre firearms are highly deadly.. Ask the victims of the Reagan assassination attempt or the Bobby Kennedy assassination... 22 calibre revolvers. So what is this compulsion for higher rate of fire, higher capacity and high energy fire arms? It is ridiculous.
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pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M
@GerOttman a fine example of our education system at work..
FlowersNButterflies · 61-69, F
pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M
@StrictSouthernHOH A ban is a ban.. I think there is a compromise no magazine capacity in excess of ten rounds and no one can carry more than two magazines per calibre.. Bill Ruger was correct, limit magazine capacity... and when a criminal gets caught ... they are going to face stiff time, no exemptions...
FlowersNButterflies · 61-69, F
@pdqsailor1 Felons and DV offenders are BANNED from weapons. Therefore bans already exist and the 2A is already NOT absolute.
@FlowersNButterflies Hear, hear!
Ontheroad · M
I am for the 2nd Amendment, and responsible people owning firearms with certain exclusions. I do believe there is no need for semiauto rifles or pistols that can accept easy to swap, high capacity magazines. Semiauto is fine, just not designed to accept high capacity easy to swap magazines. I believe in a national database and that every single firearm, regardless of type, be registered in that data base. All transfers of ownership require documentation and registry. National Red Flag laws should be enacted. There should be a law requiring all firearms to be secured and if a firearm that is not secured is stolen, the person owning that weapon be charged and prosecuted. Any crime committed with a firearm should automatically result in a minimum 15 year sentence, even if nobody is shot. Minimum age to purchase a weapon should be 21 and you must take a minimum of 24 hours training to purchase a weapon. Nobody who has not undergone a thorough and extensive background check and a minimum of 40 hours training should be allowed to carry openly or concealed.
Dino11 · M
@soar2newhighs Nope, but cities like NYC are hiring again.
Mysterion619 · 26-30, M
Mysterion619 · 26-30, M
@bijouxbroussard if they make it harder to get guns but it saves school kid's lives then that's worth it
bijouxbroussard · F
@Mysterion619 I totally agree.
Qahnaarin · 61-69, M
@Mysterion619 I'm all for protecting our children and other innocent lives of course, but the 2nd amendment "shall not be infringed". We have a right to protect ourselves and our families. Take away those rights and we fall into chaos and many more people die at the hands of criminals. Responsible gun owners don't go around shooting people.
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GerOttman · 61-69, M
@SW-User well this has gotten tedious, like most of your fellow ass clowns you have nothing to say of any importance. Have your last word, I know it's important to you so I'll give you that. I won't be reading or responding to it, but do try at least to make it good... please?? Have a good life, stay safe and be well. Love ya man!
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Dainbramadge · 56-60, M
@sunsporter1649 a 4-in pattern at 25 yards. LOL
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bijouxbroussard · F
@LeopoldBloom And [b]their[/b] answer seems to be, "no, and we see no parallel." Free-dumb.
irishmolly72 · 56-60, F
@cycleman It will be a blast!
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
guns are not toys, they're built for one purpose. i don't plan on getting rid of mine anytime soon but i wish people were more responsible with them. definitely should have more background checks and a delay between purchase and pickup. i wonder how many tragedies would never have happened if there were some more regulations. you have to take exams before driving a vehicle on public roads, and photo ID license. there should be an exam for gun safety and mental health information offered for each gun purchased, before the gun is released to the buyer. there should be at least a 24 hour hold between purchase and pickup.
MaryJo1996 · 26-30, F
bijouxbroussard · F
I’m not anti-gun. It is a tool and has a legitimate function, which is to wound or kill. But it has [b]no[/b] other use. So comparisons to cars or even knives makes no sense, since cars are not designed as weapons and knives have non-lethal uses.
The facts are: we have more shootings than any other so-called "developed" country, even those where guns are légal, and most [b]sane[/b] people aren’t happy about that. Banning guns outright isn’t practical here, for a number of reasons. But they shouldn’t as easy to obtain as they are in many states.
Those who compare gun violence to car accidents might be onto something in [b]one[/b] sense: maybe all legal gun owners should have to take classes, test and earn gun licenses, similar to what is required to legally drive a car. With regular renewals.
The facts are: we have more shootings than any other so-called "developed" country, even those where guns are légal, and most [b]sane[/b] people aren’t happy about that. Banning guns outright isn’t practical here, for a number of reasons. But they shouldn’t as easy to obtain as they are in many states.
Those who compare gun violence to car accidents might be onto something in [b]one[/b] sense: maybe all legal gun owners should have to take classes, test and earn gun licenses, similar to what is required to legally drive a car. With regular renewals.
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I’m against it , you should have every single rights to defend yourself and your property , if you try to rape or murder or rob someone , you signed up for the consequences. If you don’t want to get shot then don’t try that on people. About time the police get there , your mostly likely to be dead. But I do think not everyone should own guns because some people do use them for the wrong reasons. Guns aren’t bad , it’s what they are used for that makes it bad and the some ot people who use them
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bijouxbroussard · F
@LandOfOz I understand Australia doesn’t have a lot of mass shootings…
LandOfOz · 61-69, M
@bijouxbroussard true . Guns are tightly controlled here
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