You cannot argue with MAGA

@GuiltyBiStander I would say that there is no extreme left in the Democratic party. Perhaps the closest candidate for that distinction would be AOC, and even she IMO is not extreme left, but let's look.

Are these policies extreme?

Medicare For All, lowering the costs of prescription medications,
supporting public education, supporting the separation of church and state, a Federal minimum wage of $20-25 per hour,
supporting a woman's right to choose to have an abortion, equal rights for all people not just a select few, and assuring that the rule of law applies equally to all persons, supporting voting rights as well as a national vote by mail option, eliminating the red tape and improving the immigration policy while following due process, and the Constitution, providing an immediate path to citizenship for all Dreamers, a review of each person who has entered the country illegally (which is a misdemeanor, not a felony) and offering a green card and/or path to citizenship based upon their record since entering the country, affordable housing.

Are these extreme measures to you?

I fully support everything I listed. If that makes me "extreme left" or a "Democratic Socialist", I wear that badge with honor.

The vast majority of the Democratic Party are centrists.
Obama governed as a centrist.

I have many issues with the old guard Democrats. I want them to move left!....but there's only one party that supports the Constitution and Rule of Law:
The Democrats.

The GOP party is dead. It is now 100% the Party of Trump, where those who do not bow down and pledge total loyalty to the Pathological Liar/Felon/Sexual Predator Trump, are quickly dispatched. Do not question. Fall in line or we will come for you!

That's Authoritarian Fascism/White Christian Nationalism.

To even suggest that it's the same as the Democrats, with all of their faults and shortcomings, is very foolish.....but a wise man once said: "Without fools, there would be no wisdom."

@JSul3

I'm working today and don't have unlimited time for this.

But I appreciate you making yourself clear in reasonable terms.

There are many things we can agree on based on what you're said. But I think it's a mistake to assume that any party or any political dogma is completely immune from extremism.

I'm an independent and a moderate, and plan to stay that way. But I'm well aware of the turmoil and debate going on among those who identify with either right or left ideology. What's also clear to me is the ignorance, lack of understanding, and disrespect directed toward independents from people on both sides. It's a fact that independents have become the real majority in American politics - because both Republican & Democratic parties are failing to solve real problems and govern responsibly.

Ignoring reality is no way to gain trust.

@GuiltyBiStander Well, I know we didn't exactly start this conversation as besties, and you SOMEHOW came away from our conversation thinking I was angry and scared, but you seem like you'd be amenable to the leftist agenda, and I remain convinced that you are further to the left than you think.

By the way, the entire left thinks that Democrats are weak and cowardly.

@GuiltyBiStander So, you won't answer?

@GuiltyBiStander Oh, that's rich. You've done nothing but insult anybody who disagrees with you, then claimed that they were mad at you and declared victory. You're literally this bird:

@ViciDraco Your rant is proof you hate America

@NativePortlander1970 Care to explain how you arrived at that conclusion?

If you have a bunch of friends (fellow citizens) watching a delusional person (MAGA) telling them that they don't need to see a doctor for your chest pain and should instead get some crystals to regulate your karmic flow, then a person who loves their friends is going to say something.

I want America to improve because I love it. If I hated it, I would be taking joy in the damage being actively done right now.

@ViciDraco in fact, @NativePortlander1970 appears to be doing just that…

@MrBrownstone

@MrBrownstone Really, hun?

@MrBrownstone My answer was implicit, I'll make it explicit. I don't believe everything I read on the internet, however, I have a fair amount of confidence in peer reviewed scientifically analyzed data such as the following.

Duke University studied one million school children in thousands of classrooms including mostly masked, partially masked, mostly unmasked. They found masks to be pretty effective:
https://today.duke.edu/2021/06/research-finds-masks-can-prevent-covid-19-transmission-schools

"A large randomized trial led by researchers at Stanford Medicine and Yale University has found that wearing a surgical face mask over the mouth and nose is an effective way to reduce the occurence of COVID-19 in community settings.
... The researchers enrolled nearly 350,000 people from 600 villages in rural Bangladesh. ..."
https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2021/09/surgical-masks-covid-19.html

However, I'm always in search of better data. You said you had proof that "masking does nothing to stop a virus" and I'd like to see that data and that proof. But actually, your refusal to answer tells me everything I need to know.

@WasEP

@thisguy20 My phone was being woke this morning, by which I mean it was not doing what I ordered it to.

@thisguy20 Woke is used by people who cant spell aware...😷

@whowasthatmaskedman that’s as maybe, but you CAN argue with Democrats. You can’t argue with MAGA.

@Lostwithielle Point taken.. Democrats generally see the point of not allowing the poor to starve to depth..But they still disagree on how to pay for that..😷

@MasterLee

Oh ...

Is the "Master" butt hurt ??

What a surprise 😢

@GuiltyBiStander nope you don't even hit my radar

@MasterLee

And yet... ⬆⬆⬆
🤣

@IM5688 I've seen exactly that behavior coming from you, so nah.

@IM5688 I see you have arrived. Your coming was foretold.

@houseonfire I really am.

@houseonfire I know I am.

@houseonfire
I know I’m right. Ironically Trump seems to be doing a great job of making all these other countries great, while ensuring the one country he is supposedly in charge of falls apart and sinks into the toilet.

And it appears that you think Hamas is a country. Figures.

@Gibbon I predicted your response if you look 🙂