To bring the idiots here up to speed on insurrection: The Trump rally on Jan 6 WHICH BY THE WAY WAS A CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED PUBLIC MEETING, had almost a half a million people there. If LEGALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT TRUMP had wanted an insurrection, he would have ordered that ENTIRE CROWD to do it. These things would have happened. 1. Capitol Hill would have been burned to the ground. 2. Pretty much most if not all of Congress would be either dead or in the hospital. 3. Pretty much most of the Supreme Court would be dead and their offices burnt down. 4. The Joint Chiefs of Staff would be dead, leaving the military with only the Commander In Chief to lead them. At that time, it was still LEGALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT TRUMP. 5.Trump would have made himself KING of America. He would have the nuclear launch codes. He would have control of the military. There would be no more elections.
NONE of that happened. So there was no insurrection. You might call that little romp in the Capitol an insurrection. That just means you're stupid and you don't know anything.
I don't understand why there's only one man who knows what it's like to be a common person but yet he's rich💞. I'm not saying that he's even close to God or anything like him but he actually wanted to bring peace to our country. I will never be able to understand why so many people hate him yet call themselves Americans. It's heart breaking to me that so many of his friends turned against him.
The biggest problem I'm going through right now is why is he still putting himself out there to be hated? To be made fun of? To maybe getting himself or one of his family members hurt or killed?
I can't believe that there are so many things that he did right that so many people have always hated ...... 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😭😭😭😭😭😭
Yes I definitely will vote for him, support him, love him, Pray for him and his friends and family but I will never understand how he can give so much of himself and he's getting so little back, that's what you call LOVE !!!!!!!! 🇺🇲🇺🇸🇺🇲🇺🇸🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇸🇺🇲🇺🇸 I beg everyone who calls himself a true American, pray for President Trump 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻.
@MarmeeMarch says [quote]- Sorry the all knowing Dr. Trump did not predict the China Virus. [/quote] Far worse. The idiotic Trump removed our first line of defense against global pandemics.
[quote] Trump did have the travel ban to shut it down in Feb. So what ? Is that a bad thing ?[/quote] No. The bad thing was pretending the travel ban was sufficient, while telling all those lies.
[quote]wanted the country not to panic [/quote] Almost every other leader in almost every other country was able to tell citizens about the pandemic without lying AND without causing panic. Exceptions include Putin & Kim Jung Il; do you want Trump in that exclusive club??
[quote]And sorry about Dr. Trump's lack of knowledge of how this terrible virus from China [/quote] The thing to apologize for is Trump's refusal to listen to epidemiologists and virologists and doctors.
What it boils down to is Trump's allergy to expertise. People that know more than him make him feel bad so he gets rid of them and then he's caught flat-footed when experts are needed.
That's why Trump's covid "leadership" suffers so badly in comparison with other leaders.
All through Trump's term, our Covid per capita death rate was DOUBLE that of countries like Canada & Germany, resulting in about 550,000 Covid deaths under Trump.
If Trump had handled Covid as well as, say, Justin Trudeau, we'd have had 275,000 FEWER DEATHS! Put another way, Trump's mis-management of Covid cost more deaths than THREE Viet Nam wars!! Three Viet Nams in a SINGLE YEAR, not spread out over ten years like the actual war!!!
Sure, Covid came from outside. And different leaders in different countries managed it differently. Trump's piss-poor Covid management is made clear by the relative per capita death rates.
[quote]"I look at it this way," Birx told CNN's Chief Medical Correspondent Sanjay Gupta. "The first time, we have an excuse. There were about 100,000 deaths that came from that original surge. All of the rest of them, in my mind, could have been mitigated or decreased substantially."[/quote]
@anythingoes477 so you followed psycho orange man's insane decrees to the letter whilst bleating that "he's literally a nazi", or words to that effect.
Donald Trump deliberately incited a terrorist act against the USA in 'protest' against the election being 'stolen' from him (the foundation for the Big Lie).
It was treason, terrorism AND insurrection all in one. Irrespective of what the US constitution says, Trump showed total disrespect to the Executive branch of government and to the country he claimed to serve when unfortunately in the top office.
@MasterLee that is correct, before Joe Biden could be confirmed all issues that were brought to the floor in congress had to be investigated prior to his confirmation. Congress is guilty of misprision for not returning to the normal order of Congress upon their return and completing their constitutional duty of investigation. I think the speaker of the house knew what was required and intentionally chose not to do it.
Correct, some Capitol Police were Trump fluffers, and let the rioters in. Others resisted and some were injured. The reason no Congress members were killed or injured is because a few brave officers held the crowd off or misdirected it so the legislators could barricade themselves or get away.
The rally outside the Capitol was legal. Entering the Capitol with the intention of disrupting Congress was not. Yes, some people were idiots and just wandered in when they saw others entering.
I agree that it wasn't an insurrection. It was a riot. Trump's best argument against a 14th Amendment ban is that it wasn't an insurrection. None of the traitors who broke into the Capitol have been charged with insurrection. The closest are several who were charged with seditious conspiracy.
I disagree that Trump would have declared himself king of America. He might have tried, but his term would have ended at noon on January 20. Without a new President or Vice-President, Nancy Pelosi would have become President, and her first order of business would have been to get Congress together to certify Biden as the lawful President. There's no way the Beer Belly Putsch would have been able to kill everyone in Congress, the Supreme Court, and the military leadership. The violence wasn't planned except for a few groups like the Proud Boys, who had weapons stashed outside Washington DC. It was mostly a disorganized riot.
The military would not have allowed Trump to establish a dictatorship. Only people who have never been in the military and get their ideas from the movies would think that. The one thing they drum into you in the military is that you cannot follow an unconstitutional order. It's more likely that Trump's cabinet would have removed him under the 25th amendment, or the Joint Chiefs of Staff would have taken control and had him executed for sedition.
@MarmeeMarch Lemme just quote a little bit of Jack Smith here:
[quote]4. Shortly after election day, the Defendant also pursued unlawful means of discounting legitimate votes and subverting the election results. In so doing, the Defendant perpetrated three criminal conspiracies:
a. A conspiracy to defraud the United States by using dishonesty, fraud, and deceit to impair, obstruct, and defeat the lawful federal government function by which the results of the presidential election are collected, counted, and certified by the federal government, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 371;
b. A conspiracy to corruptly obstruct and impede the January 6 congressional proceeding at which the collected results of the presidential election are counted and certified ("the certification proceeding"), in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1512(k);and
c. A conspiracy against the right to vote and to have one's vote counted, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 241. Each of these conspiracies—which built on the widespread mistrust the Defendant was creating through pervasive and destabilizing lies about election fraud—targeted a bedrock function of the United States federal government: the nation's process of collecting, counting, and certifying the results of the presidential election ("the federal government function").[/quote]
This indictment has been public since Aug 1, @MarmeeMarch. You really need to familiarize yourself with it. [b]https://www.justice.gov/storage/US_v_Trump_23_cr_257.pdf[/b]
Under the heading [b][u]The Criminal Agreement and Acts to Effect the Object of the Conspiracy[/u][/b] is the list of specific criminal acts by Trump, and it continues for roughly 100 numbered items. This sentence might help you get an exact count: [quote]The Defendant and his co-conspirators committed one or more of the acts to effect the object of the conspiracy alleged above in Paragraphs 13, 15-16, 18-22, 24, 26, 28, 30-33, 35, 37-39, 41, 43-44, 46, 50, 52, 54, 56, 57-64, 67, 71-75, 78-82, 84, 85, 87-97, 99-100, 102-104, 111, 114, 116, 118-119, and 122.[/quote]
@LeopoldBloom Ashley Babbett was murdere x in cold blood by Michael Byrd. That was the only weapon drawn. No one in the capital was armed. They were escourted by capital police. How is it an inserecttion if every one was unarmed and peaceful. I call for the arrest of Michael Byrd for premeditated murder.
Holy crap. I wonder if over 875 already found guilty of participation in an insurrection....a lot of them already doing time now as felons and being bent over in the showers............know this???
OMG this was like a peaceful day out in the Capital building and EVERYONE just misunderstood. Things like shit wiped on the Capital walls....using poles the beat cops with, breaking tax payer paid for windows and furniture and doors....was all fake. Wow. Swinging fire extinguishers to beat cops with . bear spraying cops, fists, the gallows built to hang the Vice President.....the military gear and weapons the white supremacists were carrying.......was all just props for a casual fun time costume party on J6. Who knew???
Weirder yet if J6 was a joke..........why so many charges and indictments and trials when it was all just a fun thing to do on a nice January morning?? And why would so many trump insider cult members and lawyers even be admitting to crimes and flipping on trump? Did someone forget to send them the memo that J6 was all just funzies ??? Now here they are admitting they are guilty of crimes that didn't even exist? Wow...that's just crazy, huh?
trump is GOD..........how could anyone even think he is even capable of breaking the law???? He is sooooooooooooo misunderstood. We love you Orange Jesus. Here pleeeaase take some more of our money. As a billionaire.....we know you need it.
Sadly you are full of it.. Insurrection includes specifically interfering with the legal transfer of authority, which is precisely what Trump was calling for and precisely what those people who attempted to stop the ratifying of the college vote attempted and they were fortunate the police and guards acted with such restraint. Better luck next time.😷
@ron122 Yes. Thats what they said. They would only charge on the basis of what they could prove at the time. And this was only people who actually invaded the Capitol. Not the ringleaders. Those charges are still pending as you well know. The mindless mob on the day were only cannonfodder. Once Trump got there he was likely going to have the oathkeepers and Proudboys with him (while he watched from a safe distance. ) But the wheels fell off at that point. The scret service woulsnt follow orders to let armed people in. (well reported) and the drivers wouldnt take him to the Capitol (also well reported) Dont worry. He will do better next time..😷
@whowasthatmaskedman Hillary KKKlinton tried to interfere with Trump's inauguration and presidency with that fcking RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA lie, which wound up tying up the Justice Department and Robert Mueller for several years. THAT'S AN INSURRECTION.
Insurrection is a only one possible cause for barring Trump. The text reads [quote]... shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same[/quote] In other words, "rebellion" is a sufficient reason for barring Trump.
Regardless, it was still an insurrection! A few cops aided the insurrection therefore it wasn't an insurrection? What a silly argument!!!
Were you there?? NO! But Mitch McConnell was. And he used the phrase "failed insurrection." Let's see his description in context.
[quote] The United States and the United States Congress have faced down much greater threats than the unhinged crowd we saw today. We've never been deterred before, and we will not be deterred today. They tried to disrupt our democracy. They failed. They failed. They failed to attempt to obstruct the Congress.
This failed insurrection only underscores how crucial the task before us is for our republic. Our nation was founded precisely so that the free choice of the American people is what shapes our self-government and determines the destiny of our nation – not fear, not force, but the peaceful expression of the popular will.
Now, we assembled this afternoon to count our citizens' votes and to formalize their choice of the next president. Now we're going to finish exactly what we started. We'll complete the process the right way by the book. We'll follow our precedents, our laws and our Constitution to the letter. And we will certify the winner of the 2020 presidential election. Criminal behavior will never dominate the United States Congress. This institution is resilient. Our democratic republic is strong.
@MarmeeMarch You seem to have forgotten your question: [quote] So tell me, exactly how was he involved ? [/quote] I believe Jack Smith's indictment, based on grand jury testimony answered that question quite thoroughly. And one of the key points to realize is that his involvement ext,ends months prior to Jan 6.
@Reason10 BRILLIANT. Antifa was in on J6. It takes a special kind of stupid to believe that the people who just won the election....would dress up and act like traitors to overthrow the election they just won....so the one they DIDN'T want to win.,...would.
Only the brilliant IQ's of those that believe in Lizard People and a dead Kennedy crawling out of his grave after being dead for 20+ years so his skeleton could run as VP could come up with that jewel of wisdom.........and spread it as truth.
are part of what won Biden's illegal election? In some ways, you're right. Supreme Court chief Justice John Roberts actually decided against the Texas case because he was quoted as saying the BLMS and ANTIFAS will riot in the street if we agree to look at this case.
@Reason10 Just a quick question..............how many of the BLM's in your hand picked picture shit in their hands and wiped it on the walls of the Capital Building? If you like I can handpick and show you a picture of a riot in Selma in the 1960's........some Vietnam War protests pics from the 1970's. The point is....which you will surely miss............you can handpick all the pics of something else you want to make whatever your point is..............but BY LAW........J6 was an insurrection because that bunch of fools attacked the Capital of the United States...to overturn an U.S, FEDERAL ELECTION.
Diversion is showing a picture of one thing that is totally unrelated to the crime that trump, his stooges and so far nearly 900 traitorous morons have already been convicted of and saying,...."yeah......well.....look at my picture here. Both are riots so both are the same thing.". NO they're not. If they are...........then lets compare direct quotes from Hitler and things that have come out of the Mien Trumpfts mouth. If the words are alike..............then lets play your game. If the words are alike....... those two wanna be dictators saying them are EXACTLY alike.
"Exterminate the vermin"......."I'll be a dictator on day one to get rid of all of those not loyal to me". "The problem is the Jews". Remember?? If you don't...the rest of us do.
[b] Insurrection: [/b] [i]an organized attempt by a group of people to defeat their government and take control of their country, usually by violence[/i]
It seems hella accurate considering that the whole point of that clown show was to stop the certification of the vote.
@BohemianBoo So what? Cops are agents of government (regardless of their individual views on politics), and the government was at the time still led by Donald Trump. So you don't need to be stupid to see that Trump was in charge of a riot against his own government and the USA as a country.
Fun fact about your post......the same Constitution that you think made the J6 coup "protected and legal".....has so far prosecuted over 875 of the traitors that took part in it........and a lot more will go down for organizing it behind the scenes. For instance...... Guiliani........Meadows.....trump....all of those indicted on RICO charges in trump's indictment....most of trump's inside circle whom are flipping on him like crazy to avoid prison........the fake electors in 6 states.....The Proud Boyz leaderships and 90%+ of it's members.
Crazy, huh? Totally legal and yet look at the growing list of felons for taking part in it. Don't ya just love the Constitution?
@Floridadisciplinarian Ironic, huh? ;-) Culters were so afraid that someone must have cheated the vote that they screwed themselves so THEY won't be able to vote for their own cult leader again.
All together now say..............................DUH!!!!!!
@gol979 says [quote]all you trump haters really are punching yourselves in the face bringing up orange man and covid. He was the main man when he locked you all down, made you stand 6feet apart from each other, isolated and quarantined you and he delivered operation warp speed MAGA jabs. [/quote] I notice you didn't mention masks, [b]LOL!!![/b]
Trump closed the barn doors after the Covid horses were galloping around the country. Trump's lockdown followed FIVE CRUCIAL WEEKS of lying about Covid. [quote]How many of orange mans rules did you follow, how many operation warp speed maga jabs did you partake in?[/quote]
Actually, most of the country got the Pfizer vaccine which was developed by two Turkish doctors in Germany without a PENNY from op warp speed. Pfizer was first to market and provided much higher volumes than Moderna all thru 2021-22.
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Just for yucks, let's compare Trump's Covid response with other leaders. All through Trump's term, our Covid per capita death rate was DOUBLE that of countries like Canada & Germany, resulting in about 550,000 Covid deaths under Trump.
If Trump had handled Covid as well as, say, Justin Trudeau, we'd have had 275,000 FEWER DEATHS! Put another way, Trump's mis-management of Covid cost more deaths than THREE Vietnam wars!! Three Vietnams in a SINGLE YEAR, not spread out over ten years like the actual war!!!
Sure, Covid came from outside. And different leaders in different countries managed it differently. Trump's piss-poor Covid management is made clear by the relative per capita death rates.
[quote]"I look at it this way," Birx told CNN's Chief Medical Correspondent Sanjay Gupta. "The first time, we have an excuse. There were about 100,000 deaths that came from that original surge. All of the rest of them, in my mind, could have been mitigated or decreased substantially."[/quote]
@gol979 Orange man's public example was to almost NEVER wear a mask, [b]ROTFL!!![/b] Orange man dissolved and disbanded Obama's cabinet level pandemic response team. But Orange man's LYING was the worst.
Jan 22 “And we have it totally under control... It’s going to be just fine.” Jan 24, he tweeted “It will all work out well.” Jan 30: “Well, we pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”
[b]Trump, Feb. 07 to Woodward[/b]: “It goes through the air. That’s always tougher than the touch. You don’t have to touch things. Right? But the air, you just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed. And so that’s a very tricky one. That’s a very delicate one. It’s also more deadly than even your strenuous flus.”
Feb 10 “Looks like by April, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away,” Feb 19 “I think the numbers are going to get progressively better as we go along.” Feb 23 “very much under control,” Feb 26 “We’re going down, not up. We’re going very substantially down, not up.” Feb 26 “...when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.” Feb 28 concern about coronavirus “is their new hoax” Feb 28 “we’ve lost nobody and you wonder the press is in hysteria mode.” Feb 29 said a vaccine would be available “very quickly” and “very rapidly” Mar 02 “We’re talking about a much smaller range” of deaths than from the flu. Mar 04 (to Hannity) “It’s very mild.” Mar 10 “And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.” Mar 13 “No. I don't take responsibility at all.”
@softspokenman The Capital was closed to the public on Jan. 6th by the orders of the Sergeant at Arms and there were signs that said it was closed to the public. So the people inside were breaking the law. And any capital police that let them in or gave tours were disobeying orders and you can bet they have or will lose their jobs when Jack Smith gets done with them.
@Slade Well at least I’m not a big mouthed Dummy Mare that got his job at the horse stables because he has no gag reflex.. And as far as the turd goes -I know you are but what am I?
A fallen candidate stubbornly refusing to concede gracefully as is tradition no matter WHO you THINK you are.
A complete lack of guidance from supposed ADVISORS, or if there was Trump CHOSE to ignore it (this is the reason why people want to hear from him in COURT....the one place he UNDERSTANDS he can't lie and expect to wave some imagined PRIVELAGE to avoid doing so)
A nation's capital that couldn't defend itself from all these 'peaceful protesters' because in somebody's mind it's a perfectly reasonable thing to ensure it was devoid of sufficient law enforcement.....on election night !
There's a huge question as to why on earth anybody would admit guilt in closed sessions having said they were acting under instruction from either Trump or whoever advised THEM to do what they did, that saw them admit guilt and accept a prison term as a consequence of their own actions !
All this alone should have the Republicans screaming, en masse "Let's not go through the possibility of all that again !"
But, but, but... they (mass media) screamed it over, and over, and over that it [i]was[/i] therefore it [i]must[/i] be true - right? Isn't the mass media the god of Truth?
Ok let's break this down. What we have is a thirty-two second video posted by someone from the United Kingdom by the name of "World of Madness" (with only 121 subscribers, only 264 views). Things that stand out:
1) Video poster "World of Madness" is from the United Kingdom and was not even at the capitol when this happened. 2) Improper source referencing due to poor writing skills:[i] "Source: Capitol riot defendant Brian McCreary via Department of Justice".[/i] An APA citation style source reference would be similar to this example:
[quote][i]"Capitol riot video showing Trump supporters breaking into the capitol building on January 6, 2021." Staff video. Department of Justice. Published on October 19, 2021. Available online at (website address here)[/i][/quote]
2a) Who exactly made this video? Brian McCreary? The Department of Justice? No mention is made. 3) There's no link to a proper source. Nothing. 4) Who are the people in the video and who are they associated with? No one is appropriately identified, neither by annotation in the video nor sourcing/footnotes.
Just because a person wears a red MAGA hat, does not mean they really are MAGA/Trump supporters. That can be faked. Case in point.
[quote][u]Emergency Management coordinator, Lehigh county Pennsylvania states in person [b][i]firsthand[/i][/b] [/u] At ~0:55min: "Trump supporters, they were dressed as trump supporters but I could tell by their conversation that they were looking to do, and I heard them say, we got to shake this up so that these people look bad. And [i]I saw them break a window on the capitol.[/i] And these people were talking about amongst themselves, and I was standing and listening behind, and what [i]they could do to make Trump's people look bad."[/i]
At ~1:42min: "...on the other side of the capitol building, so there were people climbing up the scaffolding and [i]a lot of Trump's people started saying 'there's something, these aren't our people'[/i] and started walking away and they were tearing the plastic, cutting the plastic. And then the capitol police let some tear gas go and got it under control. [i]But they weren't Trump supporters, [b]I'm telling you they weren't Trump supporters. Trump supporters were walking away.[/b] These are people that are trying to get promote the false narrative that Trump's people are acting like AntiFa and BLM."[/i][/quote]
[media=https://youtu.be/KE3GuVULImc] [u]Your video[/u]: Improper sourcing/references, second hand non-witness from another country [u]My Video[/u]: First hand source on site Emergency Management coordinator [u]Your video[/u]: Hearsay, innuendo, sensationalistic, emotionally-driven chaos [u]My video[/u]: Firsthand government official witness onsite
[center]@AnalLovin, sounds like the only person full of shit here is [b]you.[/b]
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PS1 - Your profile page clearly indicates you're a troll. Finally reached the end of your leftist tolerance and couldn't wait to blow your gasket?
PS2 - That AI retouched image indicates no location. Where are you from? Did you leave that out so you can conveniently attack others from a position of impunity? Cowardly.
PS3 - Your hand gesture, trying to do the white power sign? Is that what that is?
That makes it so interesting that over 500 insurrectionists have pleaded guilty to crimes committed on January 6 in the Capital, and more than 500 more have gone to trial and been convicted. If it was just a peaceful romp, are these MAGAs just stupid to throw their lives away by pleading guilty?
Trump was president.. he was Insurrecting himself… ?
Derp Derp Derp.
Nobody not even trump has been charged or convicted of insurrection.. the cabals bullshit would carry more weight if they at least added that charge..
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Trying to reason with liberals who bring politics to a fetish app is your first mistake. Western liberals are already unreasonably and out of touch the ones on here are even more clueless
I want you to know something 10, when Dems went out to vote in 2020, we were all given instructions as to how the election was going to be rigged against trump and were all forced to sign a waiver swearing us to secrecy about the details of the methods of the theft.
That means that 81,282,916 of us were in on the scam and not one of you cons still know how we pulled it off and got away with it.
@windinhishair Do you think we're going to use the same tactics in 2024? I can't wait to see what we have cooked up for the next cycle, the 2020 was absolutely brilliant!
@zonavar68 Unelected Joe did NOT win the 2020 presidential race legally. So we don't call him president, either. He's just a criminal and a traitor. And people who voted for him are morons who hate America. PERIOD.
I will absolutely love it when the deep state convicts his squirrelly ass* and he screams “but I am innocent, it was a witch hunt!” Please let it happen! You don’t cross my girl Nancy Pelosi. She will put him out!!
NEW VIDEO – Hidden from Public: Q Shaman Stands Outside Doors of US Capitol and Tells Everyone to Go Home – Reads Trump Tweet to Stay Peaceful and Go Home #Insurrection | The Gateway Pundit
LOL holy shit, this might be the stupidest, but the funniest thing I have read in all of 2023! Can't wait to see what moronic crap you try and post in 2024.
@LeopoldBloom no, if it happens again, the people on the right will be armed to the teeth and only people dead will be the cops that try to fight them in any way shape or form, I guess you missed the definition of an inserection, but that’s typical, you were to busy trying to be your normal dickheaded self to read it am “ARMED” resistance “ No one had any arms and those flag poles you speak of were inside the building, whereas Ashli Babbitt was crawling into a window as per you , moron
@Prison1203 The next time, the Capitol will be locked down like Fort Knox, with no unauthorized persons allowed within a mile radius, and any rallies or demonstrations no closer than Virginia or Maryland. The FBI is also monitoring chatter and there's no way a large enough group could organize anything significant without tipping them off.
Just like I told the other guy, Jan. 6 wasn't an insurrection, it was a riot. Trump's best argument against a 14th amendment disqualification is that he didn't participate in an "insurrection" because it wasn't one. It was a riot intended to prevent Congress from certifying the electoral vote.
Babbitt tried to force her way through an interior window and kept going after a cop told her to stop. She shouldn't have been in the building at all and if she'd survived, she would have faced trespassing charges. I thought you people were big on "always do what the cops say." I guess that only applies to Black people, while white people should get a pass even if they beat a cop with a flagpole.
