What is the difference between marxism and leninism...??

> Steve bannon declared himself a leninist.

Amazing.

Marxism is following the political philosophy of Marx (and Engels) and that you believe in concepts like historical materialism, class struggle, and dialectical reasoning. Although communism is the end point of Marx, his entire thing was an analysis of capitalism and his belief of how the forces of history would resolve it. You can be a Marxist without being a communist.

Leninism is one form of -applied- Marxism and specifically looked at Lenin's rise to power and early decisions in the USSR and the theories backending them as Good Ideas. You have to be a communist if you're a Leninist.

marx was a comedian with a couple brothers, and lenin was a singer/songwriter in a rock and roll band

The difference between idealism (Marxism) and the misguided application of those same ideals ( Leninism).

What is notable that Marx never thought about the applications. His ideals were just that, ideals.

Like saying taoism is a religion, which I have been guilty of because it's being practiced. Not just an ideal. Yet their are no deities in taosim. So many don't consider taoism a religion.

So is Marxism not an application as Leninism is, as misguided as Lenin's application was.

I'm no expert on this, but didn't Marx propose that capitalism would just fall apart naturally over time and that the proletariat would take over, whereas Lenin's position was that a powerful army and government needed to destroy the capitalists.

Regardless of the specifics, the marxist-leninist movement murdered more people than any other phenomenon in the history of mankind.... and it's not even close.

lenin added "dictatorship of the proletariat" to pure marxism and dictatorship the soviet union became - like russia is now

[quote]What is the difference between marxism and leninism[/quote]

Marxism is Socialism with the idea that one day a socialist society will transition into Communism on its own.
Leninism is a form of Authoritarianism dressed up as Socialism. "Marxism-Leninism" isn't a thing, it's really just Leninism.

[quote]Steve bannon declared himself a leninist.[/quote]

No surprise there. A lot of Fascists admire fellow authoritarians like Lenin, Stalin, and Mao.
Nick Fuentes is a Nazi who talks about the evils of "Cultural Marxism" but then has praised Stalin a bunch of times. Because really, he knows that Stalin wasn't a Marxist. Stalin was authoritarian much like the Nazis and the Fascists.

The MAGA cult is just that, a cult of angry people, mostly white Anglo-Saxon men, who feel personally under attack, and left out. They "fall" for anyone who plays into this. I didn't not think they fall into any specific category, nor do they have any idea of what they really want. They claim libertarianism, until they need help, they want government to disappear, but are against anarchy.

Context is everything. Based on this, more than half the country would identify as "Leninists" today.

"Marxist system aims at a state of living where the society is bereft of the difference between the rich and the poor. On the other hand, Leninism is a kind of a political system that practices dictatorship. It is the dictatorship of the proletariat."

Basically, one is an ideal that doesn't exist, the second just another totalitarian state run by an elite.

{@carla] 😯wow that is a revelation trump has got a leftist of centre in his party.😆i am not surprised if trump has him lynched for his ideals

I wish to thank you all for your thoughtful input.

Right wingers have no clue what any of these terms mean so whatever Steve Bannon says can be dismissed immediately.


Marxism is a blanket term for anyone who subscribes to the political and economic ideas of Marx and Engels.

A Leninist is someone who also follows the writings of Lenin.

Who would you rather be oppressed by.

And that matters because? Cant say anything good about the deeds or your socialist idols so you have to start bashing and blaming random people? When only socialists claim something, odds are that claim isn't truthful.

well.. marx was dreamer. he wanted the workers to hold power.
lenin was more of a state ownership kinda guy...

unless i misseda john lennon joke here...

Lenin belived in council democracy not liberal democracy.

Karl Marx wrote that book only because engles supported him

According to MAGA you can be a capitalist and Marxist at the same time. It's quite a hat trick.

You adore communism and call others cultists.

Kook

The Russian revolution was Lenin's main concern.

Karl Marx imagined in his optimistic naïvete that the proletariat, or common people, would simply rise up on their own and demand an overthrow of the old way of doing things. Lenin correctly surmised that a sort of revolutionary leader would be needed to unite the people.

Unfortunately, that means that while Marxism called for a temporary dictatorship while things were set in motion, Leninism, both in practice and in theory, inevitably leads to a country like the USSR.

Long story short by an idiot?

Essentially the idea that a violent any means necessary over throw by a people's vanguard is the only effective means over transition through existing frameworks. That the result needs to be a "democratic " (pseudo-democratic in practice) one party dictatorship of the proletariat in control of a socialist goverment made up of elected councils (soviets) representing various factions of the proletariat, military, former peasentry, and intelligencia. Also that for communism to ever be achieved there needs to be active support and influence worldwide for other overthrows of capitalist regimes. All gathered behind a revolutionary figurehead to rally the cause.