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What is the difference between marxism and leninism...??

Be aware that while the maga cult is trashing the democrats with a neo marxist moniker,
Steve bannon declared himself a leninist.
MethDozer · M
@HoraceGreenley Capitalism sure is working great here. Lol. We're doing fanfuckingtastic.
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@MethDozer My point is that capitalism is better than all other economic systems. I don't maintain that it is perfect.

It's like democracy. It's not perfect but it's better than all the alternatives.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, MVIP
@HoraceGreenley And yet you consistently fail to prove your point.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
> Steve bannon declared himself a leninist.


Marxism is following the political philosophy of Marx (and Engels) and that you believe in concepts like historical materialism, class struggle, and dialectical reasoning. Although communism is the end point of Marx, his entire thing was an analysis of capitalism and his belief of how the forces of history would resolve it. You can be a Marxist without being a communist.

Leninism is one form of -applied- Marxism and specifically looked at Lenin's rise to power and early decisions in the USSR and the theories backending them as Good Ideas. You have to be a communist if you're a Leninist.
helenS · 36-40, F
@CountScrofula I think that the "withering away" of the state was a prediction for the far future of society.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@helenS God I don't want to be one of those "this is what Lenin wrote" since I literally read just the one chapter of state and revolution, but he explicitly argues that the withering away of the state is the same thing as the state being violently overthrown by proletariat revolution.

Or in short, this isn't a three-stage process of capitalism, communism, post-state communism. It's just capitalism then communism.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@helenS Unfortunately while the formal structure of the top levels of the government changed, the attitude to governing didn't really change that much. It continued, and continues now, to rely on authoritarianism and the supremacy of "who you know rather than what you know".
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
The difference between idealism (Marxism) and the misguided application of those same ideals ( Leninism).

What is notable that Marx never thought about the applications. His ideals were just that, ideals.

Like saying taoism is a religion, which I have been guilty of because it's being practiced. Not just an ideal. Yet their are no deities in taosim. So many don't consider taoism a religion.

So is Marxism not an application as Leninism is, as misguided as Lenin's application was.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
marx was a comedian with a couple brothers, and lenin was a singer/songwriter in a rock and roll band
tindrummer · M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow he's just kidding - trying to be clever
@tindrummer Possibly but we are talking about someone who is not exactly the brightest bulb in the box.
tindrummer · M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow right, but not that ignorant
FukFaceWillie · 51-55, M
According to MAGA you can be a capitalist and Marxist at the same time. It's quite a hat trick.
@FukFaceWillie Given the right wingers here they just mash together random words they don't understand all the time.
tindrummer · M
lenin added "dictatorship of the proletariat" to pure marxism and dictatorship the soviet union became - like russia is now
@tindrummer And now a totally emotional argument demanding putting anecdotes before facts. Keep digging.

You are also conflating two completely different things. That is like judging whether the US is a democracy based on public opinion at super max prisons.
tindrummer · M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow "anecdotes" - you could have asked my wife's parents or our many russian friends about that
We're done here.
@tindrummer See my previous point.
BohemianBoo · 18-21, M
[quote]What is the difference between marxism and leninism[/quote]

Marxism is Socialism with the idea that one day a socialist society will transition into Communism on its own.
Leninism is a form of Authoritarianism dressed up as Socialism. "Marxism-Leninism" isn't a thing, it's really just Leninism.

[quote]Steve bannon declared himself a leninist.[/quote]

No surprise there. A lot of Fascists admire fellow authoritarians like Lenin, Stalin, and Mao.
Nick Fuentes is a Nazi who talks about the evils of "Cultural Marxism" but then has praised Stalin a bunch of times. Because really, he knows that Stalin wasn't a Marxist. Stalin was authoritarian much like the Nazis and the Fascists.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
BohemianBoo · 18-21, M
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
The MAGA cult is just that, a cult of angry people, mostly white Anglo-Saxon men, who feel personally under attack, and left out. They "fall" for anyone who plays into this. I didn't not think they fall into any specific category, nor do they have any idea of what they really want. They claim libertarianism, until they need help, they want government to disappear, but are against anarchy.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@samueltyler2 interesting. Talk Marxism much?
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@MasterLee No, i have no desire to talk about Marxism or Leninism, or anarchy. What would you like better?
Context is everything. Based on this, more than half the country would identify as "Leninists" today.

ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
"Marxist system aims at a state of living where the society is bereft of the difference between the rich and the poor. On the other hand, Leninism is a kind of a political system that practices dictatorship. It is the dictatorship of the proletariat."

Basically, one is an ideal that doesn't exist, the second just another totalitarian state run by an elite.
Right wingers have no clue what any of these terms mean so whatever Steve Bannon says can be dismissed immediately.

Marxism is a blanket term for anyone who subscribes to the political and economic ideas of Marx and Engels.

A Leninist is someone who also follows the writings of Lenin.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
Who would you rather be oppressed by.
smiler2012 · 56-60, M
{@carla] 😯wow that is a revelation trump has got a leftist of centre in his party.😆i am not surprised if trump has him lynched for his ideals
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@smiler2012 People who live in glass outhouses should not throw crap
smiler2012 · 56-60, M
@sunsporter1649 really i do not resort too childish abuse i think i have told you this many times before .if you can accept my opinion please use the block button and do me a great favour as you are just abusive to me and not a very nice person
Carla · 61-69, F
@smiler2012 please ignore ole sporto. They don't let him out very often. I think he misses his duck.
TexChik · F
And that matters because? Cant say anything good about the deeds or your socialist idols so you have to start bashing and blaming random people? When only socialists claim something, odds are that claim isn't truthful.
Carla · 61-69, F
@TexChik well, as always, you are unable to answer the question asked.
Spotpot · 41-45, M
Lenin belived in council democracy not liberal democracy.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@Spotpot Lenin was a murderous dictator who believed in himself.
Slade · 56-60, M
You adore communism and call others cultists.

Carla · 61-69, F
@Slade no. You have me mistaken for someone else.
Carla · 61-69, F
I wish to thank you all for your thoughtful input.
well.. marx was dreamer. he wanted the workers to hold power.
lenin was more of a state ownership kinda guy...

unless i misseda john lennon joke here...
Havesomefun2 · 56-60, M
Karl Marx wrote that book only because engles supported him
LordShadowfire · 46-50, MVIP
@Havesomefun2 Yeah, that isn't what the op asked.
The Russian revolution was Lenin's main concern.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, MVIP
Karl Marx imagined in his optimistic naïvete that the proletariat, or common people, would simply rise up on their own and demand an overthrow of the old way of doing things. Lenin correctly surmised that a sort of revolutionary leader would be needed to unite the people.

Unfortunately, that means that while Marxism called for a temporary dictatorship while things were set in motion, Leninism, both in practice and in theory, inevitably leads to a country like the USSR.
MethDozer · M
Long story short by an idiot?

Essentially the idea that a violent any means necessary over throw by a people's vanguard is the only effective means over transition through existing frameworks. That the result needs to be a "democratic " (pseudo-democratic in practice) one party dictatorship of the proletariat in control of a socialist goverment made up of elected councils (soviets) representing various factions of the proletariat, military, former peasentry, and intelligencia. Also that for communism to ever be achieved there needs to be active support and influence worldwide for other overthrows of capitalist regimes. All gathered behind a revolutionary figurehead to rally the cause.
LvChris · 41-45, M
The important thing is that we all go watch "Good Bye, Lenin!" because it's a great movie. 😌
Carla · 61-69, F
@LvChris i googled this. I will find and watch it🙂

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