What is the difference between marxism and leninism...??
Be aware that while the maga cult is trashing the democrats with a neo marxist moniker,
Steve bannon declared himself a leninist.
Steve bannon declared himself a leninist.
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CountScrofula · 41-45, M
> Steve bannon declared himself a leninist.
Amazing.
Marxism is following the political philosophy of Marx (and Engels) and that you believe in concepts like historical materialism, class struggle, and dialectical reasoning. Although communism is the end point of Marx, his entire thing was an analysis of capitalism and his belief of how the forces of history would resolve it. You can be a Marxist without being a communist.
Leninism is one form of -applied- Marxism and specifically looked at Lenin's rise to power and early decisions in the USSR and the theories backending them as Good Ideas. You have to be a communist if you're a Leninist.
Amazing.
Marxism is following the political philosophy of Marx (and Engels) and that you believe in concepts like historical materialism, class struggle, and dialectical reasoning. Although communism is the end point of Marx, his entire thing was an analysis of capitalism and his belief of how the forces of history would resolve it. You can be a Marxist without being a communist.
Leninism is one form of -applied- Marxism and specifically looked at Lenin's rise to power and early decisions in the USSR and the theories backending them as Good Ideas. You have to be a communist if you're a Leninist.
@CountScrofula Completely off the subject, I just googled your username.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@LordShadowfire I'm so sorry lol, blame my wife for coming up with the name.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@MethDozer Sorta. I have not read State and Revolution but pulled it up to check in on Lenin's views on this and he kinda has a tortured view of what the state is.
The state isn't like - the notion of an independent nation with a central government, the state is more like "the badness of capitalism" which of course will go away after a violent revolution. Which, frankly, is kinda weaksauce but I'm no Leninist lol
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/ch01.htm#s4
The state isn't like - the notion of an independent nation with a central government, the state is more like "the badness of capitalism" which of course will go away after a violent revolution. Which, frankly, is kinda weaksauce but I'm no Leninist lol
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/ch01.htm#s4
MethDozer · M
@CountScrofula Yeah Lenin sucked a lot of ass. Kinda of megalomanic.
Did more to give the left a bad image than anything
Did more to give the left a bad image than anything
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@helenS Sure yeah. But we're specifically talking about whether or not the 'withering away of the state' is the elimination of centralized government or just capitalism.
Or in short, did Lenin predict a future in his communist utopia where there wouldn't be rule by a vanguard party.
Or in short, did Lenin predict a future in his communist utopia where there wouldn't be rule by a vanguard party.
helenS · 36-40, F
@CountScrofula I think that the "withering away" of the state was a prediction for the far future of society.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@helenS God I don't want to be one of those "this is what Lenin wrote" since I literally read just the one chapter of state and revolution, but he explicitly argues that the withering away of the state is the same thing as the state being violently overthrown by proletariat revolution.
Or in short, this isn't a three-stage process of capitalism, communism, post-state communism. It's just capitalism then communism.
Or in short, this isn't a three-stage process of capitalism, communism, post-state communism. It's just capitalism then communism.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@helenS Unfortunately while the formal structure of the top levels of the government changed, the attitude to governing didn't really change that much. It continued, and continues now, to rely on authoritarianism and the supremacy of "who you know rather than what you know".
irishmolly72 · 56-60, F
@CountScrofula It's ok because Stalin took over and fixed everything. 🤪