What is the difference between marxism and leninism...??

@HoraceGreenley Are you saying that the Soviets were idiots who did communism wrong? Because I agree.

@LordShadowfire Communism is wrong

@HoraceGreenley Communal ownership is wrong?

@MethDozer yes

@HoraceGreenley God forbid should the actual workers recieve too much from their production. Owner behind a desk needs a biggget house and yacht




Why do you hate workers and little people Horrace?

@MethDozer He doesn't know why he hates the poor, he just does.

@LordShadowfire It's the American way. Love their desperation, hate their person.


"Ask not what you can do for the poor, ask what the poor can do for you".

@MethDozer I don't hate workers. I'm all for doing the most good for the most people.

That's capitalism and why it's the most moral choice.

@HoraceGreenley Okay, dumbass. That's why there are so many millions of homeless people, right? And why a few Americans own 80% of the wealth? Because capitalism is the most moral choice?

@LordShadowfire Capitalism is the most moral economic system.

It's the only economic system that raised a majority of a society's population out of poverty.

No other system did that in human history.

You and Meth Head like condemning people to poverty.

@HoraceGreenley [quote]Capitalism is the most moral economic system.[/quote]

@HoraceGreenley Everything stagnates. Prior to capitalism no other system rose more people out of poverty than merchantalism. Prior to that no other economic system but feudalism rose more people out of poverty.



Also. Communism isn't actually an economic policy, socialism is.

@LordShadowfire Prove me wrong. No other economic system did what capitalism does.

@HoraceGreenley besides, all I said was what is wrong with communal ownership? You said everything. Why do you hate co-ops? They are very efficient and practical.

@MethDozer Feudalism and mercantilism did not elevate a majority of society out of poverty.

Socialism has been tried and failed miserably. Same is true of Communism. Since Communism abolishes private property is appropriate for an economic discussion.

@MethDozer on small scales they can be OK. It doesn't work for hundreds of millions of people.

@HoraceGreenley You changed your words.


Communism has yet to ever happen or be achieved Horrace.
Also show me one instance where a nation that has attempted socialism had outside forces wage war and economic sbaotage in the name of capitalism?


You alsoblose clout in your arguement when you side with an ideology that evey social program is a socialism. Welfare for example isn't socialism, it's a saftey machanism for capitalism.

@HoraceGreenley so mixed economy
Is cool?

@HoraceGreenley

I don't see capitalism working for hundreds of millions of people at this time and place.

@HoraceGreenley private property and personal property are two entirely different things.

@MethDozer Communism by definition abolishes private property. Assets are iwned by the state. I'm not talk about shoes.

@HoraceGreenley abolishing private property is pretty interesting if you understand what private property means in this sense.


FYI there is no state under communism.

@MethDozer Today, the existing communist states in the world are in China, Cuba, Laos, Vietnam, and North Korea (DPRK).

2 second search...Wikipedia

@HoraceGreenley Now do some research to find out what actual communism is, as opposed to the shit they practice in China.

@HoraceGreenley They are run by communist parties, they aren't communist states however. Some are socialist in name only. North Korea for example is socialist/communist in as much they are Democratic and a Republic.

But I get you there, i don't agree or wish to emulate DPRK, Cuba, USSR, or China.
However we can do better than them and how we ourselves are doing now. Jmho



Vietnam actually isn't doing too badly these days.