Now that it has been proven that Trump is a criminal and one of the 5 worst presidents in US history, why do people still support him?
I am thinking most of his supporters are criminals.
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ArishMell · 70-79, M
"Proven" by whom?
I thought the American Constitution is based rather on the British one in dealing with those accused of criminal acts; particularly the vital points of Habeus Corpus, open jury trials and burden of proof on the prosecution.*
Irrespective of the politics of what is anyway a foreign country to me, and irrespective of his
political and business c.v., Mr. Trump is a citizen of a country that does not "prove" anyone guilty of criminal offences other than by due charge and trial that establishes the facts beyond all reasonable doubt. (Or by the defendant eventually changing his or her plea to 'guilty'.)
Whatever your personal opinion of his ideology and abilities as a politician and property-speculator; has Donald Trump been charged with criminal acts and brought before a Court of Law that has established his guilt or innocence?
Unless and until then he is in the same position as any other US citizen merely suspected of breaking the law: perhaps a suspect in the legal not "social media" sense, but still innocent.
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*(These protections are non-existent in many, even Western, democratic European, countries whose judiciaries are based on the "Napoleonic Code". One of the many reasons many Britons wanted to be out of the EU was a fear the bloc wanted to impose the same Napoleonic system on the UK in the interests of what it calls "Harmonisation".)
I thought the American Constitution is based rather on the British one in dealing with those accused of criminal acts; particularly the vital points of Habeus Corpus, open jury trials and burden of proof on the prosecution.*
Irrespective of the politics of what is anyway a foreign country to me, and irrespective of his
political and business c.v., Mr. Trump is a citizen of a country that does not "prove" anyone guilty of criminal offences other than by due charge and trial that establishes the facts beyond all reasonable doubt. (Or by the defendant eventually changing his or her plea to 'guilty'.)
Whatever your personal opinion of his ideology and abilities as a politician and property-speculator; has Donald Trump been charged with criminal acts and brought before a Court of Law that has established his guilt or innocence?
Unless and until then he is in the same position as any other US citizen merely suspected of breaking the law: perhaps a suspect in the legal not "social media" sense, but still innocent.
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*(These protections are non-existent in many, even Western, democratic European, countries whose judiciaries are based on the "Napoleonic Code". One of the many reasons many Britons wanted to be out of the EU was a fear the bloc wanted to impose the same Napoleonic system on the UK in the interests of what it calls "Harmonisation".)
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@ArishMell I can field that one, actually.
You're right. There's enough evidence to make it appear that he has ties, but that's not good enough for the justice system. They are going to keep gathering evidence until they have enough to convict him. And if it's anything like some of the state level cases I've heard of, they'll actually go above and beyond, charging him with numerous charges they expect him to be able to easily defend against, in the hopes that at least one sticks.
You're right. There's enough evidence to make it appear that he has ties, but that's not good enough for the justice system. They are going to keep gathering evidence until they have enough to convict him. And if it's anything like some of the state level cases I've heard of, they'll actually go above and beyond, charging him with numerous charges they expect him to be able to easily defend against, in the hopes that at least one sticks.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@LordShadowfire Yes, I see that; and obviously no-one can be prosecuted without sufficient good evidence.
However, until enough such evidence has been amassed to first press charges then to satisfy a court sufficiently of proven guilt, any suspect is considered innocent in law whatever politicians, opinion-columnists and social-media sites publish.
A judge has already made it difficult to hold a fair trial by having been reported very widely as saying the former President almost certainly broke the law. A judge can opine on general points of law, but should never suggest the outcome of an individual case not yet brought to court.
Stacking up spurious charges like a legal blunderbus, gambling on at least one succeeding, is not good justice either. It has eerie echoes of countries that lack such niceties as open courts and prosecution burden of proof.
Having been a president does not place Donald Trump above the Law. If he is suspected of criminal acts then it is right he is investigated and if he has a case to answer, then he is charged and tried; but in the proper manner, with the whole process openly, entirely fair and above-board. If it is not, the outcome could be very harmful indeed.
What seems to escape many Americans is that their country's febrile domestic politics is reported internationally, and this pre-judging may be as bad for the nation's reputation abroad as it is for justice within the nation.
However, until enough such evidence has been amassed to first press charges then to satisfy a court sufficiently of proven guilt, any suspect is considered innocent in law whatever politicians, opinion-columnists and social-media sites publish.
A judge has already made it difficult to hold a fair trial by having been reported very widely as saying the former President almost certainly broke the law. A judge can opine on general points of law, but should never suggest the outcome of an individual case not yet brought to court.
Stacking up spurious charges like a legal blunderbus, gambling on at least one succeeding, is not good justice either. It has eerie echoes of countries that lack such niceties as open courts and prosecution burden of proof.
Having been a president does not place Donald Trump above the Law. If he is suspected of criminal acts then it is right he is investigated and if he has a case to answer, then he is charged and tried; but in the proper manner, with the whole process openly, entirely fair and above-board. If it is not, the outcome could be very harmful indeed.
What seems to escape many Americans is that their country's febrile domestic politics is reported internationally, and this pre-judging may be as bad for the nation's reputation abroad as it is for justice within the nation.
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LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@MarmeeMarch Look, shitstick. The fact that you are constantly examining everything I say, trying to claim it's all racist, tells me all I need to know about your mentality. I just said that you don't want them in office. The people Joe appointed. You feel that by appointing people who fall into certain minority categories, it's some kind of war on white people. That's how the so-called white nationalists disguise their racism, and I'm starting to think you've got something to hide yourself, because you sure are obsessed with the color of their skin.
bijouxbroussard · F
They don’t care. Some don’t believe their own eyes and ears, but mostly, they’ve decided that whatever Trump does will somehow benefit them (even with evidence to the contrary) so the ends justify the means. I’m not sure what would have to happen to shake them out of it.
BackyardShaman · 61-69, M
For real, death won’t even stop them.@bijouxbroussard
They(most of his supporters) are used to degrading women, getting pissed on by teenage girls, grabbing pussies, sleeping with their daughters and sisters, and getting high on drugs, guns, bullying, and cannot tolerate any woman speaking up for her rights. Of course, they like him coz he’s exactly like them.
HoraceGreenley · 61-69, M
ron122 · 41-45, M
@LordShadowfire Must be hell going through life in denial.
HoraceGreenley · 61-69, M
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ron122 · 41-45, M
@anythingoes477 I did look after someone told me what a strange sick person you are. This from the guy that thinks people want to see how inadequate he is. I did get a good laugh when I saw how small you are.🤣 You could identify as a woman.🤣
anythingoes477 · M
@ron122 You really do have an obsession with guys cocks, don't you? I hope u find a bf soon. You seem to have more issues than Readers Digest does. Maybe if you can find someone whose dick does please you your mouth will more full of that than the comical things you say to me. 😆 🤣 Told ya..not into gays. Stalking wont change my mind.
ron122 · 41-45, M
@anythingoes477 Don't get mad at me just because you have a little dick that's your problem.🤣
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@pdockal Oh, so we're back to this lie again? How many more times do I have to list it for you motherfuckers? How many more fucking times must I tell you what he's done?
pdockal · 56-60, M
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
Longleggedlady · 31-35, F
Longleggedlady · 31-35, F
@redredred I am not doubting that, as do high-end business people meet president's socially. I am pointing out that in some cases being pictured with Mr Putin socially was grounds to get that businessman sanctioned
Is Trump not also a businessman?
Is Trump not also a businessman?
ididntknow · 51-55, M
@Longleggedlady it’s the leader of one country shaking the hand of another leader of a country, like others have said, did Putin invade Ukraine whilst Trump was in the White House? NO, and why, because Trump was a strong leader, and they knew it, A weak America, is not good for the world,
ZombiesAteMyArm · 41-45, M
Adaydreambeliever · 56-60, F
The kindest way to put it is that they are sheeple... they blindly believe anything they are told by Trump and those like him. These poor sheeple creatures have low intellect and this helps with their believing anything they are told and it means they are unable to understand, let alone assimilate facts.
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LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@MarmeeMarch Oh, NOW You're interested in burden of proof?
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LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@Harriet03 I agree. Everybody knew that already.
ididntknow · 51-55, M
Let’s see what Americans say, when another 3 months have passed, when inflation bites, interest rates rise, people start to lose their jobs, in turn start to lose their homes, let’s see how much they hate Trump, and love Biden then,
BackyardShaman · 61-69, M
1490wayb · 56-60, M
obvious...same as anyone else with a following...he says what they want to hear
mikeylyksit · 41-45, M
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@mikeylyksit He is definitely playing trolls around here.
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Save you pennies - libel judgements are expensive
ididntknow · 51-55, M
Who proved that then
pancakeslam · 41-45, M
bijouxbroussard · F
@pancakeslam Who was the criminal chanting "lock her up" ? Not the OP.
pancakeslam · 41-45, M
@bijouxbroussard this is a trick question. no criminal was chanting that 😂
bijouxbroussard · F
@pancakeslam Sure there was. That he’s also been the 45th POTUS for a minute doesn’t change that.
TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 46-50, MVIP
Lolz. Proven… lolz
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FreestyleArt · 36-40, M
Umm how many times they been saying this? Do you think before you brag?
Tell me how many times they claim Trump is going to prison and then people like you forget about it until there's another claim which is another sham?
I swear Trump is like Kenny who gets killed and comes back to life and then his friends forgets about his last death in South Park.
Tell me how many times they claim Trump is going to prison and then people like you forget about it until there's another claim which is another sham?
I swear Trump is like Kenny who gets killed and comes back to life and then his friends forgets about his last death in South Park.
JohnOinger · 41-45, M
Their Cult Followers 😄 & Trump is The Cult Leader Like Jim Jones & Charles Manson
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@JohnOinger You are getting softer by the day - everyone who supported him is a mass murderer now?🙄
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bijouxbroussard · F
@SW-User In a nutshell.
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@bijouxbroussard it will only get worse too
Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
He appeals to a certain demo, and the Dems have moved too far to the left.
Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
@OggggO Raising defense …. Yikes. Enough already.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@Fukfacewillie I defy you to find a genuinely leftist political party in the United States with any kind of power.
Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
@LordShadowfire I don't see any, but I don't think that is dispositive.
Keepitsimple · 51-55, F
What channel are you watching? All mine are worrying about Biden. Finally people are scared shitless of his mind and our safety.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M