@BigGuy2 Proud B0ys are not the least bit white supremacist.......just for starters. The pus pocket left cornered the market on white supremacy a long time ago
[quote]do you know what the word ‘apologist’ means - how can I be apologising for the British Empire if I’m stating it was the greatest Empire in history...[/quote] Absolute comedy gold. Mmmmm that's some top tier stupid.
@BigGuy2 You also didn't believe that Americans called the British rule "tyranical"... and yet
[quote]But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under [b]absolute Despotism[/b], it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an [b]absolute Tyranny over these States[/b]. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.[/quote]
here we are. The document goes on saying why they find his tyranical... you can read it here:
@Thinkerbell ...picking up on your comment on re-distribution of wealth, when the Asians were expelled in Africa and {???} and his cronies seized their business‘, one story I heard was that one of these cronies seized a clothing shop and was selling shirts based on collar size - if it was say a 14’ collar, it would be sold for $14, but the exact same shirt with a 17’ collar would be sold for $17 - you can’t make this B shit up can you ... 🤔 unless you’re a ‘Libtard’ claiming it’s been made up 🤣
Oh please , another “ lib- ism” . He never said he endorsed the democrat infested KKK. Just like when he facetiously ( on TV) asked Russia to help find Hillary’s 30 K missing emails... that wasn’t collusion 🙄
@BigGuy2 I grew up in the south and went to segregated schools, 😔I know all about that...it wasn't that long ago as some may think. People are people before politics, I'd venture to say it wasn't just "Democrats" that were in favor of keeping slaves and being prejudice.
@Peaches ... Democrats as a cohesive body of people that didn’t want Slavery to end is quite relevant to this topic and today’s issue’s, that is why they try to rewrite history, to delete or gloss over their role in not wanting it to end, because their stance is to stoke the fires of racism when it’s election time ... yes, other people didn’t want Slavery to end ...
Democrats using Double Standards and Hypocrisy to gain Power at all costs ...
In any Wikipedia entry under ‘Double Standards’ or ‘Hypocrisy’ it should say, “if you want a more fuller, more comprehensive definition, look under the term ‘Democrats’ ...” 🤣🤣🤣
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow [quote] I took all three of you members of the alt right brain trust on at the same time and barely broke a sweat. It is like debating with children which right wingers like you often are children in adult bodies so it makes sense. Children frightened of their own shadow.[/quote]
It must be nice believing your little fantasy world is actually reality. I've noticed one thing about you. You always think you are winning when you are losing miserably.
If someone in authority made that kind of statement ('Stand down and stand by') in my country in the midst of the kind of tension that is splitting the USA, I would be extremely worried. We've seen it in Europe and I hope steady minds and genuine patriots will come together against extremism and the wolf-whistle that violence might be ok - if he calls for it. [i]Animal Farm[/i] was not just necessarily about communism: it was written when the Nazis had just been defeated.
@BigGuy2 There are always good reasons and the best way to control a population is to unite them behind a common enemy. If there isn't a real one, invent, or at least exaggerate, one.
@Frank52 ... I agree, like the Democrats claiming Russian Collusion, or trying to fool black people into believing that all white people are racist, just so that they can get their votes
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow ... we’ll do a tally of the insults you and Einstein [2] and [3] threw at me yesterday, I think I’ll be the lesser, from either of you 3
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow ... have you watched ‘therightothink50’ s video yet, if I say to you, “you’re a ‘useful idiot’ “... you should know what that means, this is a KGB defector - really, you can’t get any better endorsement than that as to what Trump is starting to clean up AND to what you are, you’re a puppet and the puppet master is Russia ...
... the KGB defector is describing EXACTLY what is happening NOW ...
...so, what size KGB boot do you want kicking you up your ‘fat ass’ before YOU wake up ... size 9, 10, 11 ... you have ‘Libtardism’ oozing out of every pore in your body, so it’ll probably need a size 50
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow ... you have truly lost the plot haven’t you - Conspiracy Theories are when no concrete evidence is there to support your premise, so Conspiracy Theories abound, yet you have here a KGB defector, in his own words, stating what Russia has been doing these past 50 or more years ...
BUT ...
...let me guess, you’ll say something as stupid as, “he’s an American actor putting on a Russian accent”
Destabilisation: it doesn’t have to be related to anything about Russia ... 🤔 but what could be the destabilisation technique that Russia uses then, I know, let’s have a Race War, call everyone who disagrees with these ‘useful idiots’ ‘RACISTS’ ... Russia doesn’t want another Cold War, as they will lose that War AGAIN as well ...
“Why should we have a Cold War, which we’ll lose AGAIN, when we have these ‘useful idiots’ fighting Mental/Ideological battles for us”
You would think he would have done it to just bullshit the masses, but some things are too close to Trump's black heart for even [i]him [/i]to lie about.
Now I have NO doubt he is a pure racist, through and through.
@Peaches It matters now more than ever. Consider the following: would Trump and his ilk be trying so hard to disenfranchise voters, even to the point of interfering with mail-in ballots and the post office, if our votes [b]didn’t[/b] matter ?
@Peapod No where has Trump EVER said your vote was fraud. The fact is the demoncraps are planning on voter fraud just as they have engaged in for decades. This time they are planning on using vote by mail. Last time they used the voting machines.
I'm not sure what all Trump has said today, about his obvious deflection and clear message to the "Proud Boys" last night. I did see and hear a brief blurb earlier today, with further deflection from him...going on about Antifa, as opposed to actually condemning or disavowing any white supremist group.
@Pitchblue LOL, apparently you can not read your own ny slimes, who awarded themselves putilzer prizes for writing bullschiff stories about hookers peeing on beds, and ignore the $24 million President Trump paid in Federal Taxes 2010 to 2017, or the little something called S Corporations, underwritten by joe hiden and voted upon by the same joe hiden, who is taking full advantage of the tax law joe hiden wrote for himself. Who writes your bullschiff, Professor Irwin Corey?
@sunsporter1649 24 million, link please. This better not just come from what Trump said last night because that was all verbal diarrhea from him again.
As though “white supremacy” is actually a thing in the west. The threat being ignored by Leftists is the BLM Marxists, and ANTIFA thugs. And for anyone who doesn’t know, Richard Spencer has endorsed Biden, which is not surprising as they share the same vision. The KKK were Democrats.
@Carissimi ... it’s not in their interests to work towards a solution, it’s quite telling that ‘racism’ always seems to be an issue when Democrats need votes at Election time ... I find it completely offensive to black people that Democrats treat them with such disdain, that they role the race card out every 4 years, but black people are not helping themselves if they keep on believing these lies by the Democrats ... Charlie Kirk had a debate with 2 black people, the black guy stated “it must be racism that is causing blacks not to succeed”, Kirk’s reply being, “is that your default position, if no reasons can be found for blacks not doing well, it must be racism“
@BigGuy2 [quote]black people are not helping themselves if they keep on believing these lies by the Democrats ...[/quote] Brought to you by the shiny and glossy marketing & advertising program the Left uses every four years to indoctrinate people. Even when it's against their own interests.
[quote]Proud boys, Stand back and Stand by - Trump ( wannabe dictator)[/quote]
Nah he is desperate and using passive aggressive moves to his advantage, he knows what’s he’s doing when he says such things .... he knows damn well they were listening. They reacted to his words ( changed their slogan)
It really pisses me off that people are trying to say the proud boys are white supremacist. They are about as white supremacist as George Washington Carver. They are patriots who have nothing to do with white supremacy. This better get fixed quickly. Trump pissed me off for not making that clear. There is nothing wrong with a white nationalist either. A "white nationalist' is a nationalist who happens to be white. There are plenty of black patriots, brown patriots, and yellow and red patriots.
@Carla nope, look up the history of antifa in Europe, way back in the 20th century. Surprise surprise they were harassing everyone and anyone until it got so bad that a certain person got voted into power in the 1930s...
I think he meant to do exactly what he did, signal to them and their friends that he's one of them, own the libs, and pull in the aggrieved and threatened Archie Bunker vote, guys who might have Jewish sons-in laws or a black neighbor or two, but are pissed off and scared about the browning of America.
@Carla Trump himself is the only game that matters to him, and, at least in the spur of the moment when he's speaking, I don't think he does "get" anything about anyone else.
Bigger picture, he might sometimes, but that filter of self still gets in the way, even of long term, non transactional planning.
Covid is the most obvious example, but I'm sure there are plenty of others.
Chris Wallace: (41:33) You have repeatedly criticized the vice president for not specifically calling out Antifa and other left wing extremist groups. But are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia group and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we’ve seen in Portland.
President Donald J. Trump: (41:57) Sure, I’m will to do that.
Chris Wallace: (41:59) Are you prepared specifically to do it.
President Donald J. Trump: (42:00) I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing not from the right wing.
Chris Wallace: (42:04) But what are you saying?
President Donald J. Trump: (42:06) I’m willing to do anything. I want to see peace.
Chris Wallace: (42:08) Well, do it, sir.
Vice President Joe Biden: (42:09) Say it, do it say it.
President Donald J. Trump: (42:10) What do you want to call them? Give me a name, give me a name, go ahead who do you want me to condemn.
Chris Wallace: (42:14) White supremacist and right-wing militia.
President Donald J. Trump: (42:18) Proud Boys, stand back and stand by. But I’ll tell you what somebody’s got to do something about Antifa and the left because this is not a right wing problem this is a left wing. [b] End of discussion - he denounced them.[/b]
@MarmeeMarch Yeah you could see it that way, I guess. Either way, he is not advocating for violence. Nor are any groups that have sent donations to him burning down cities.
@pianoplayingsteve We have freedom of speech in this country and Trump should have reminded that to the moderator. You dont tell someone to denounce anything - WTF is wrong with that moderator.
@puck61 ... BRILLIANT, it’s still happening now, their ideology is, “let’s go for the head and cut that off, then the body should be easy to control” - if they were able to control ‘The Duke’ the everyday person would be easy to deal with ... Senator Jim Jordan has said similar “if they can try this on with Trump, just imagine what they’ll try on with the everyday man/woman walking the streets of America” - {I’ve paraphrased him}
Yes. He certainly wasn’t shy with his opinions about kneeling NFL players, was he ? When he [b]truly[/b] wants to denounce something or someone, he’s [b]never[/b] held back. But white supremacists are his supporters, and they know he believes what [b]they[/b] do. Too bad he has to be president of the [b]entire[/b] United States. 😳
@bijouxbroussard I'm still not certain he believes anything except that everyone is inferior to him. It seems that would make him all of , "ists, paths, isms" that are offensive to decent human beings.
@DudeistPriest ... just goes to show, I’m surprised no one has picked up on it, if racism is so pervasive, all he had to do is walk to the store for his ‘sandwich’ at the time he did and he would have been attacked by ‘racists’ ... he needed to find 2 fake racists to bolster his fake story
@hippyjoe1955 I actually have seen the evidence. But every time I go through the trouble of showing the evidence to people who support Trump they call it "fake news" and "lies" so why bother conversing with individuals who resort to namecalling every time their world view is proven to be wrong. Goodbye.
Simple answer,He did,in the most tepid way imaginable.."“I condemn all white supremacists, I condemn the Proud Boys"adding I don’t know much about the Proud Boys but I condemn that,” Trump told Fox News in an interview." Evidently his ignorance is contagious:people who have trouble knowing whata white supremacist IS! Definition of white supremacist:
: a person who believes that the white race is inherently superior to other races and that white people should have control over people of other race-Merriam -Webster Dictionary..I would have just put up a picture of the Fuehrer but it has nothing to do with the literacy of Americans,Benghazi or much of what has been posted
@bookerdana Do you have any proof that the Proud Boys are white supremists? If not your whole rant falls apart. Did you know that chairman of the Proud Boys is black? Did you know a year ago the democrats were accusing its members of being Latino? Why should Trump have to renounce a group when it turns out they are not what the democrats claim them to be?
@hippyjoe1955 OPs question was had he clarified his original statement,hardly a rant. But evidently the FBI thinks they are an extremist group with ties to white nationalism
@bookerdana And we are to trust the FBI's judgement why again? Did you hear the Director Wray is stepping down today? Its all over twitter. No idea if it is true but good news if true. He is deep state and protects democrats. Likely why the FBI puts up boogey men like Proud Boys. You really need to read up on them. Their founder had an interesting video up a few days ago. BTW I am not a member of Proud Boys and never would be. I don't feel any urge to belong to any group.
@Budwick It sounds like you're jealous of Don, Jr.s girlfriend. Maybe you can hook up with Tiffany to get closer to Sleepy Baby-trump. Of course, she's a girl, so...
@SumKindaMunster [quote]This link is approximately 3 minutes of Trump "disavowing" David Duke, the KKK, and white supremacists. [/quote] Found it...
[center][youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCvwARherKI][/center] But you can't just show something so obvious as a video disavowing racism to contemporary Leftists and expect them to agree. That's a bit like showing sunlight to a Vampire.
@SumKindaMunster That was a similar one. Not able to find yours, yet. It [i]is[/i] difficult, isn't it? I expect the reason is they've already been convinced by the opposing side and their MSM echo chamber so when faced with facts it directly challenges their belief system that is riddled with preconceived notions. It makes one wonder if people can think for themselves anymore.
You do realize that forcing someone to say something or putting someone on the spot in front of national TV to answer such a ridiculous question - is in direct violation of the 1st Amendment ?
The leftist extremist who shot the trump supporter has a history of causing agitation with a film crew who "just happened to be there" to catch the action and misreport it.
In a democracy Their is no right or left A democratick society, the right of the individual is protected Thís right wing left wing caused a world war and had millions killed
@antonioio We live in a Republic, that is where the individual is protected. Democracies are prone to mob rule and the least protected person in this kind of environment is the individual. Educate yourself on the terms you use.
Leftists abuse everything including words, most likely everything they say has the opposite meaning. Projection of evil is their game, a leftist despises individual liberty and yearns to be part of hive. Government control is their best friend and willful ignorance is the drug of leftists.
That is a shame when the President has to condemn a group of people that have the perfect right to be.....He lost points with me there. I am not a supporter of these mentals - but sadly these retarded groups should not be condemned by the President nor Condoned. What a shame - what a schill.
And he is only condemning white supremacist groups not black supremacist groups like The Nation Of Islam - The New Black Panther Party, The New Black Panther Party For Self Defense or the Black Separatists.
@MarmeeMarch I think though, that when these groups openly and loudly express their support for trump, do things in his name, then he's obligated to express his disdain, of indeed he has it. Doing so in a coherent way, when asked, would be the thing to do. And you know that he lied when he said he didnt know about the proud boys. As he did when asked about David Duke. Why do you think he would do that? What would be his motivation?
@Carla Proud Boys are not a white supremacist group and he is bound by the 1st Amendment not to speak if he does not want to. I do not know exactly what you mean by "doing things in his name" that sounds like a cover all statement that puts Trump on the spot. Why should he chase his tail every time some weird group does this and that and holds up a Trump sign ? Trump has to run this nation and does not have time to denounce the many hate groups that support him.
In fact the more you acknowledge these people the more they will do -whatever - just to get in the news.. Also one does not claim innocence loudly, it make them look like a complete child. No respectful man would denounce anything if he does not want to - It was unfair that; that NAZI Chris (friend of Epstein) Wallace asked him that question and not Biden. It was clearly anti-white and anti- Trump
@SpiritualMan My point was that I believe that it was an unfair question for 2 reasons one of them - why was he asked that question and not Biden and number two - how come he was not asked to denounce any Black Supremacist groups. I feel that he was painted into a wall and he did what they wanted. So maybe he did not want to answer that question. Doesn't mean he condones them either.
@MasterLee cant? Wont, as there is no reason. Trump has denounced what he says is violence from the left but instigated violence from his cult. And dont tell me he hasn't done that. You know full well that he has. So...go look it up.
I don't think he's a racist. It's all about what or who would benefit him. If you're white but useless to him then he'll ignore you or else bully you. If you're black/brown but useful to him then he will embrace you. He's selfish but not a racist. (Liberals like Larry King and Barbara Walters said the same thing about him)
@Carla not really, everyone is out for themselves, no matter how they try to romanticize their own selfishness. It is completely normal. If not, donate everything you have.
@MasterLee oh you mean the guy who denounced his previous life and worked instead to promote racial equality? I mean, it's like he's endorsed by active white supremacists like David Duke with Trump.
@MasterLee I need a citation on where David Duke supported Hillary. Furthermore, as a half Mexican that's literally an Anarchist and believe that Neo-Nazis and the KKK should be dealt with with a baseball bat, I sincerely doubt he'd endorse me at all.
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The funny thing is looking at it in context is more a matter of ego than anything. Trump won't do anything if it seems like someone is making him do it. Trump is also the ultimate whataboutist.
"Will you denounce white supremacists?" "What about antifa?"
I'm not sure why anyone expected him to say anything else. This is his MO.
@SumKindaMunster Yeah it is the media and its useful idiots spreading hatred again. I have no idea what white supremacists Trump is supposedly supporting. I know to the media anyone to the right of Mao is an extreme rightist but that is just the leftist media being idiots.
@Carla What do you need to know about antifa? It was started in the late 1920s early 1930s and was a communist organization that wanted to spread the good news of communism across the globe. Its objectives and methods haven't changed in the intervening 100 years.
It won't work.
