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Northwest · M
Context is king, but seems your ability to attach meaning to statistics is about as good as your claim that an IP address is publicly visible through an SW DM.
Elessar · 26-30, M
@DianaGyana Maybe I (and the 99% of this community, minus yourself and OP) know how a simple division works? 😂
DianaGyana · 31-35, F
@Elessar narcissists often think they have brains... poor you
Elessar · 26-30, M
@DianaGyana Well, I don't know, I think you need one in order to be able to perform divisions lol
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
Sadly we live in an age where 'facts' are determined by whoever is selling the information.
Mystical · 31-35, M
@Picklebobble2 isnt that true always. Not in this age but in every. History is always based on who controls
@Picklebobble2 That is a fact!

...what do I owe you? 🤣
Elessar · 26-30, M
Are there exactly 25% white, 25% black, 25% dispanic and 25% others in the U.S.?

If not, these numbers are not useful in support of that other veiled counter-narrative. You need to divide first.
SW-User
@JoeyFoxx you still didn’t answer my question from before but you’re still running that cocksucker of yours you might be the biggest troll on sw
Elessar · 26-30, M
@SW-User You're the fool who called me kiddo first, or are you forgetting things already? Sorry if I wrongly guessed your age, should've said 70-79? 😅
JoeyFoxx · 56-60, M
@SW-User the more you type, the more you sound like an old man.

There’s no point in me repeating what others have already explained to you. You aren’t grasping the realities of statistics and culture.

This is common for old people set in their ways.
revenant · F
If you notice, "the facts you give are totally skewed, taken out of context, leave out this and that bla bla bla bla"...
From the very same ones dragging down your throat charts and numbers when ideology suits them
Elessar · 26-30, M
@DianaGyana Evidently you've tried with that first. And here's the results..
DianaGyana · 31-35, F
@Elessar bye felicia!!!
Elessar · 26-30, M
@DianaGyana Didn't know you gave your broken head a cute name, lol
JoeyFoxx · 56-60, M
Do you understand math?

Whites make up 72% of the population. Add the non-white numbers up and you will see that non-whites are killed at a much higher rate against their population.

Looks like YOUR narrative just got owned by YOUR data.
JoeyFoxx · 56-60, M
@SW-User ahh, to be young at heart...
SW-User
@JoeyFoxx does your behavior make you proud or do you just get lost in the heat of the moment? Can you live with yourself after your breakdowns or do you go about your life not giving your actions a second thought. I’m actually being generous I doubt you give your actions any thought
JoeyFoxx · 56-60, M
@SW-User breakdown? Come again?

I've come to this thread with an open mind and a functioning brain. I have contributed coherently and with honesty.

I promise you, there is intent and understanding to this approach.

Can you say the same?
TinyViolins · 31-35, M
To be fair, the conversation is much broader than simply shooting deaths. Neither Eric Garner, Freddie Gray, or George Floyd were shot to death, nor was Jacob Blake
TinyViolins · 31-35, M
@SW-User I feel the same, but having grown up with the internet I'm convinced that America will be all cinder and dust before people take it upon themselves to investigate their biases.
DianaGyana · 31-35, F
@TinyViolins don't ask assholes to think...they will attack you for causing them brain pain🤔😉🤪🤪🤪
DianaGyana · 31-35, F
@SW-User humanity is a lost cause...
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DianaGyana · 31-35, F
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout these trolls are useless..maybe they should take some Mace for their black brothers to prove how much of a democrat they are.🤪🤪🤪🤪
Northwest · M
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1123070/police-shootings-rate-ethnicity-us/

JoeyFoxx · 56-60, M
@windinhishair No mercy.

Though, he'd have no mercy for Schumer and Pelosi either.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@JoeyFoxx I'm sure Twain would skewer all of us. But some would receive special wrath.
SW-User
@JoeyFoxx He is one of my favorite writers and is first on my list of people who are dead I'd like to have dinner with. I think it would be quite the eye opener.
cycleman · 61-69, M
and America is 76% white
Elessar · 26-30, M
@DianaGyana
it is racism to think black lives matter more than white lives
In fact nobody ever said that.
DianaGyana · 31-35, F
@Elessar you indirectly state it by focusing on black lives
Elessar · 26-30, M
@DianaGyana You must be flexible in mental gymnastic. Then by this logic Americans celebrating independence on July 4th are indirectly stating their country matters more than the others? lol
Using this statistics is of no use until we know the case and cause behind every death.

This is only going to cause discomfort and more divide between the races. 🙄
Northwest · M
@Vivaci Or that the rate per million is the key stat, not the raw numbers.
@Northwest Exactly... data cannot be falsified, only misrepresented.
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@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout That's what I'm screamin!
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DianaGyana · 31-35, F
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout bible wont help these assholes. Maybe getting hit over the head with one, and getting amnesia would...so they can start their reprogramming from scratch
Deserthiker · 61-69, M
Cool. You can add violent crime statistics broken down by race and compare that to the percentage of each race as to population.
Logically, with whites making up an overwhelming percent of the population, then whites must be committing an overwhelming percent of the violence in America.
I already know the answer, I did the math.
Anyone who is curious can easily research it.
Google is a good start.
America has serious problems
@Deserthiker Yean but La Vida Loca doesn't include tiny Stingray bicycles and 30 year old philosophers trying to work Charlie horses out of their legs!
Deserthiker · 61-69, M
@puck61 Hahaha
@Deserthiker It's sad though, really. Sunken eyes, the missing or absent teeth, sometimes the zits, the incoherent rambling, It is the closest we have gotten to zombies. I think they would be better off with borachero blossoms. That's why those people are so brave when they get their heads cut off in Mexico. They are like......."Oh. You're going to decapitate me with a twelve inch blade? What a bummer/"
SW-User
When narratives are mischaracterized...
DianaGyana · 31-35, F
@SW-User and abused
4meAndyou · F
Overall, I think it would be MORE helpful to instruct criminals, drug users, and dodgy characters of ALL races who think they MIGHT run into the police at some point in their lives, to stop taking lethal levels of drugs, and to NOT resist at all...not even one bit...when they are apprehended whether on suspicion or otherwise. I think the police need to have a commercial on television instructing everyone on how to behave when apprehended so they won't put their lives at risk.

I think, also, that when the police confront breathing difficulties or general mental health issues, they don't currently have correct responses to those who have a combination of drug and/or mental health issues. I think an ambulance needs to be called far more often. Ambulance workers know how to check vital signs and administer oxygen if need be, and can determine more quickly if the apprehended person is at risk of death.
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Morningstar45 · 36-40, M
Lets not cloud the issue with facts!!
DianaGyana · 31-35, F
@Morningstar45 yeah the trolls may suffer from seizures trying to prove why their opinions are super duper right
SW-User
@DianaGyana this whole post is a shit show
DianaGyana · 31-35, F
@SW-User you should have seen the post I posted yesterday...deleted shitloads of comments that sounded the same, and blocked many assholes on here who unfortunately was never my friend. They only use this site to blow off steam...not to think. All posts that make SWers think will attract a lot of hate. I guess it is just how it is on here
Are those numbers population adjusted? I guarantee you they are not.
@SW-User You are confusing crimes committed with crimes reported. If you over police a white neighborhood, you are going to find more crime. They actually scale for this in crime stats. But cling to raw numbers with no context.
SW-User
@InterstellarTerror honey I’m the south they do that to the methhesds cops profile poverty stricken community it’s not a race issue. If you’re rebuttals didn’t stay on that topic don’t respond anymore
@SW-User You havent made a point. Im not giving a rebuttal I am trying to teach you something.
I was not aware statistics in a vacuum was now the definition of facts.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow It passes for facts for those individuals who are bereft of regular ones.
JoeyFoxx · 56-60, M
Kinda funny though. 282 replies and counting.

My notification alerts will blow up and my profile will be lit up by the time I come back.
Adaydreambeliever · 56-60, F
I wasn't sure what it is you were trying to prove with this? Stats and figs on their own are meanigless often.. here we see that the majority of people shot are not white.. as in the totals added up show more non-whites than whites are shot..
We would need to know too, the proportions.. needless to say there are more whites in America... they are the majority.. so proportionately, how many whites are shot compared to how many non-white per proportional percentage.
e.g. if whites make up 90% of the population.. and 5% of whites are shot... that would give us one figure.. if we then compare.. say the non-white population is say 20% but proportionally these make up 70% of those shot by police that would tell us there's a big problem! PS these numbers are just for illustration
Adaydreambeliever · 56-60, F
@SW-User that's deflection.. it's not about that.. and this really just shows your bias.. You were trying to prove something and your own figures, which you were unable to read intelligently and analytically disproved your point..

Bleating on about media coverage does NOT change the facts.. a disproportional amount of non-whites, and black people are shot by police... and you should know too that for every one of those MAJORITY of non-whites that were shot by the police.. almost none of them got media coverage either

Seriously grow up and stop being a white bigot .. trying to prove you aren't is pointless because everything you say proves you are a racist
SW-User
@Adaydreambeliever people like you who throw the word racist around just creates racism your contribute to racism. Blacks commit more crimes and are shot less but we are burning down cities I’ve police racism are we going to continue do you think this is worth your numbered time?
Adaydreambeliever · 56-60, F
@SW-User ignorant and ill-educated to the last there I see! Perhaps you are one of those inbreds who never went to school.. it wouldn't surprise me since you don't seem to know anything about anything much..

Yes, absolutely.. its always worth my time to promote truth and to try to address bigotry and racism.. everyone should..

Done with you now - I can't fix stupid!
Graylight · 51-55, F
How interesting that you would use a German company for your reference.

Just like matches, research should be handled by only those mature enough to understand it.

Black people were killed at a rate higher than their proportion to the national population.

Although Black people represented 12 percent of the population in the states studied, they made up 25 percent of the deaths in police shootings.

By comparison, white people represented 62 percent of the population—and made up 54 percent of the deaths in encounters with police.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@SW-User It has very little to do with crime. In fact, that's the whole point of what you see outside your window right now. Black people are accosted, arrested and victims of violence at the hands of the police when there are no crimes at all.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@Adaydreambeliever Nor mine, but you'd be amazed at how easy the research is to find. Problem is, the other side never seems to bother themselves with it.
ViciDraco · 41-45, M
@SW-User And ignoring everything else, police aren't supposed to kill criminals either. Lethal force is only appropriate when there is a reasonable fear that their life is in danger, which is not the case for far too many of these deaths regardless of race.
Which narrative are these facts supposed to go against? The fact that 13% of the population demographic represents almost 20% of people shot to death by police this year and 23% in 2019? When looked at in context of what percentage of society those numbers represent it is a little bit skewed in favor of the BLM narrative. However, when looked at from the point of view that 13% of the U.S. population is responsible for 50% of homicides then I find that I'm far more surprised more people of color are not shot to death by police. Grateful that is not the case. But surprised that the statistics are so skewed.

What you are not looking at is people who have actually died while in police custody and not just been shot by police. Black men are 2.5 times more likely to be killed by a police officer than a white man. Killed, not just shot. This includes police abuse while an individual is in custody regardless of the establishment of their guilt or innocence. Even then, we don't have the full numbers. That "unknown" category likely includes men of color who are too mixed to determine what race they are since if they had appeared to be "White" they would likely have been listed as white. Also, the death in custody reports that law enforcement is supposed to be providing, haven't been completed once since the legislation was passed requiring it.


https://journalistsresource.org/studies/government/criminal-justice/killed-police-black-men-likely-white-men/


On the other hand, whites represent 76% of the U.S. population, commit almost 47% of homicides and only represent 36.8% of police shootings last year. That is definitely skewed in favor of whites. It shows a statistical bias that because blacks are proportionally more likely to be involved with homicides police are more likely to shoot them than they are to shoot non-blacks. Black are 5.6 times more likely in 2019 to be shot by police than whites is what these statistics say.
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DianaGyana · 31-35, F
@BobGrant45 everybody loves to hate more than they dare to think
Adaydreambeliever · 56-60, F
@BobGrant45
Media just LIES and pretends their agenda cowshit is real. Nobody who watches Media ever
spoken like a true believer of fake news.. spoken like a person who isn't interested in facts and information - only hype and lies.. spoken like an idiot with his head in the sand
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ViciDraco · 41-45, M
What is counter to the narrative? The fact that 2020 is less? What are we supposed to be looking at here?
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Mandalorian Diminishing returns, and they will need to fabricate more content to make another run later.
@windinhishair 🤖 they'll be baaack! 🤖🖱
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Mandalorian Without a doubt. They are being paid to be here and try to create controversy.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
As others have noted, it is clear that non-whites are shot by police at much higher rates than whites.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@SW-User Your English deteriorates as your triggering increases. But you knew that.
Adaydreambeliever · 56-60, F
@SW-User the ignorance is purely yours sunshine! Only you are too ill-informed and ignorant to see it..
SW-User
Narrative becomes facts
@Snipersnake Narratives become farts.
@Yankee24 This meme very clearly implies shooting first and asking questions later is the appropriate response.
Yankee24 · 41-45, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Have you ever went tru a shoot, don’t shoot scenario. BC if not you don’t realize how quick you have to react to a threat. Someone with a knife 7 yards away can be on you before you know it.
@Yankee24 Tell that to Jacob Blake who was shot multiple times in the back who was walking away from the police.

Try again.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
You fail middle school math or something and not get how population ratios work? This is embarrassing.
Yankee24 · 41-45, M
Thank you for this.
Mic drop! 👍🇱🇷
Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
I would be slightly more impressed but Whites are 63% of the population and Blacks are 13%.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Fukfacewillie Bots working in tandem to create controversy and sow dissent.
Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
@windinhishair I read some really obvious bots on Politico the other day. But they don’t need to be really good, just flood the conversation.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Fukfacewillie That's all they want to do, create controversy and get people to read it.
vetguy1991 · 51-55, M
numbers don't lie
JoeyFoxx · 56-60, M
@vetguy1991 science doesn’t know?
TinyViolins · 31-35, M
@vetguy1991 Numbers lie all the time when it comes to statistics. On average, everyone on earth has one testicle and one ovary. Statistically speaking, people are more likely to be killed by a vending machine than a shark. A famous statistic I really like is that 77% of car accidents happen within 15 miles of where a person lives. Like, how often do people really drive more than 15 miles from their home?
Graylight · 51-55, F
@vetguy1991 No, but omission of key information does.
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windinhishair · 61-69, M
@SW-User Sure you can. Like I said, it depends on how you use the data.
Adaydreambeliever · 56-60, F
@SW-User The data shows more non-whites are shot by police.
DianaGyana · 31-35, F
the haters gonna attack whatever isssue tickles their fancy
DianaGyana · 31-35, F
this post has a long breath...damn
SW-User
@DianaGyana I haven’t been keeping up with it since the comments hit 180ish all this fighting and not one valid point was made
DianaGyana · 31-35, F
@SW-User

 
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