Does Iran matter?

@emiliya You’ve avoid the point again. If you’re going to keep doing that there’s really no point continuing.

@emiliya You seem to miss an underlying cultural point here. Unlike all the other Arab nations, Iran is different. These people are "Persians" and see themselves as a great and seperate civilization. They were on a western path under the Shah, but after that they became a strong theocracy, and all the while saw themselves as seperate. Now they simply fund local arab resistence in countries in the region, and encourage aggression against any pro western efforts. This Proxy aggression is cheaper and more effective than a front attack, which they will lose. If push comes to shove, Israel will simply remove Iran from the map. But that will require the permission of America to do it. That Israel is being brutal against the Palestinians is not at issue. They surely are. But all this is in response to acts of aggression from withing Palestine, or Lebanon. All using locals as human shields. Its a brutal dirty horrible situation on both sides.. 😷

@emiliya ever the no about "self defense?"

@Howardtaylor "Iran wants..."

This is irrelevant. Iran is not able to destroy Israel or attack it without significant retaliation. Israel should stop provoking Iran and continue to deal with rockets from Hamas with their defense system. Attacking Iran when Iran is unable to eliminate them or come close to eliminating them is wrong and endangers the rest of the world. We do not want nuclear weapons to be used again.

@robb65 It was not unprovoked, but I dislike all war. It can sometimes be inevitable. In this circumstance, the West has been provoking Russia for a very long time. USA has interfered in Ukraine and Ukraine has mistreated Russians who live in the east. Lugansk and Donetsk are not ruled by Kiev and have had pro Russian leadership since 2014. Russia and Ukraine are very different to Iran and Israel. These places share a culture, people, and language. It is a great shame we are at war, as we are very close and have far more in common than not.

What does Israel share with the rest of Middle East? They are a westernized country with western interests, culturally and politically isolated from their neighbors and certainly from Iran.

@Ontheroad Why do you say I'm a propaganda troll? How do you expect me to respond?

@emiliya

I think the ayatollahs sponsor this terrorism because they would like to eliminate the "Little Satan" from the river to the sea.
Failing in that, they will cause as much terror in Israel as they possibly can.

And the Iranians that Israel has covertly assassinated have been people in leadership positions that posed direct tactical or strategic threats to Israel.

@Thinkerbell Does the world revolve around Israel?

Why do you justify assassination?

@samueltyler2 Does Gaza matter?

@JSul3 what are you asking now? Do Gazan's matter of course they do. Do Israel's matter? Is Israel's reaction perhaps too much, perhaps. But, if Hamas continues to declare, from the river to the sea and refuses to accept a 2 state solution where do we go? Again, what does that have to do with the OP?

@samueltyler2 JSul3 is correct. Britain and USA did help to organize a coup in 1953 and this led to the Iranian shah's power being restored. Iran's history in relation to present circumstances is very relevant to the OP.

The shah was good and bad, but it is indisputable that he was favored by the West as he was amenable to the West. He was prepared to westernize Iran, which he did to some extent. In some ways they benefited from his projects with USA, and in other ways they did not. Iran was making many profits from oil by early 1970s, but people did not feel it was being distributed properly. USA was benefiting because the shah had split oil revenues with them from 1954.

@samueltyler2 I could go somewhere with how simple it is to brainwash Americans. But its unfair to some..In my opinion it has its roots in religion and the consumer society and the nexus. Now throw in PT Barnum..😷

@samueltyler2 “That support is under strain because of the behavior of Israel's PM.”

What is the behavior of Israel's PM, and why has it strained America's support of Israel? Israel and USA are best friends. Israel is full of American Jews, and American Jews love to visit Israel. USA has allowed Israel to kill thousands of civilians in Gaza.

@Jake966 Am in DFW. I am fully aware of Robert Jeffress.

@JSul3 “Sadly there are religious fanatics here in the USA, rooting for it.”

Religious fanatics are not the problem. It is people, some of them our leaders, who are indifferent to the possible use of nuclear weapons. They include those who advocate intervention in Ukraine, and those who support Israel attacking Iran. Do they care if it leads to nuclear exchange?

@SDavis i am sorry i even brought it up, 1600 years is more than a thousand, so i have a right to call it that, but I was also referring to all of the times the Jews were attacked prior to the common era. It is arguable what countries you will call those who did such, including the Romans.

@samueltyler2

thousands mean more than one and less than one is not more than one.

You were in error to try to correct me in my usage of the word hundreds.

I was not referring to all the times that Israel has been at war in the land that they occupy.

I was referring to their direct interactions of war with the ancestors of and the people who are now called Iranians.

@samueltyler2


Babylon was NOT part of Persia when the Babylonians destroyed the First Temple, sacked Jerusalem and exiled many Jews to Babylon in 587 BCE.


I have no doubt that there were occasions during the course of the intervening thousands of years that Persians persecuted Jews, but the Babylonian captivity (587-539 BCE) was NOT one of them.

Psalm 137 (KJV)

1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.

2 We hanged our harps upon the willows in the midst thereof.

3 For there they that carried us away captive required of us a song; and they that wasted us required of us mirth, saying, Sing us one of the songs of Zion.

4 How shall we sing the LORD'S song in a strange land?

5 If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand forget her cunning.

6 If I do not remember thee, let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth; if I prefer not Jerusalem above my chief joy.

7 Remember, O LORD, the children of Edom in the day of Jerusalem; who said, Rase it, rase it, even to the foundation thereof.

8 O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.

9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

@Matt85 Can you elaborate?

@emiliya Like, we already got enough wars going on.

@samueltyler2 Israel would stop any attack from Iran. The one to strike first would be Israel. Iran does not have capability to destroy or come close to destroying Israel. This idea is used by Israel to justify attacking Iran, which they have been wanting to do for years.

@GeriatricMuff What does Geri think?

@SDavis of course, there was no State of Israel until 1948. As to whether the Jews fought wars, that is more semantic than fact. The history of that area is full of violence.

@samueltyler2 the Bible list the countries that Israel was at war with the Bible list the countries that conquered Israel without war.

History list the Nations that conquered Israel without war after the Roman occupation.

Tell the historians whether what they write is in fact. The war Israel had with Iran is well documented.

And Israel goes back further than 1948 they took their land back from the Iranians. And quite frankly most Israelites that occupy the land of Israel today are not the Hebrews of the ancient land of Israel.

@SDavis I don;t know which historians you mean, and the bible is a sort of oral history, not necessarily historical fact. We will have to agree to disagree that the difference between a full out war and a conquering is pure semantics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_conquest
https://www.britannica.com/topic/conquest-international-law