Does Iran matter?

@samueltyler2

What are you talking about?

It was the Neo-Babylonian empire (in Mesopotamia, present-day Iraq) that displaced Jews from Jerusalem, not Persia, as your link correctly states.

It was the Persians under Cyrus the Great that liberated the exiled Jews from Babylon and permitted them to return to Jerusalem, after he conquered the Babylonians and incorporated their territory into his empire.

Cyrus was one of the few good rulers Persia or Iran ever had.

@Thinkerbell Babylon was actually part of Persia. The interaction between Jews and Persians was very complicated, sometimes there was acceptance, and other times war.

https://www.google.com/search?q=was+babylon+part+of+persia&sca_esv=609f3e555a5e0eba&sxsrf=ADLYWIKZgXML-2l2WnH7bK2irIr0nLkJWg%3A1728523786785&source=hp&ei=Ci4HZ4T-LKv8ptQP8cnb0QM&iflsig=AL9hbdgAAAAAZwc8Gh0JJjt9cP95GvXMfx_E26sEYK9j&ved=0ahUKEwiEq63y1IKJAxUrvokEHfHkNjoQ4dUDCBg&uact=5&oq=was+babylon+part+of+persia&gs_lp=Egdnd3Mtd2l6GgIYAiIad2FzIGJhYnlsb24gcGFydCBvZiBwZXJzaWEyBRAAGIAEMgYQABgWGB4yCxAAGIAEGIYDGIoFMgsQABiABBiGAxiKBUiTKVAAWOokcAB4AJABAJgBZ6AB9QyqAQQyNS4xuAEDyAEA-AEBmAIaoAKzDcICBBAjGCfCAgoQIxiABBgnGIoFwgILEAAYgAQYkQIYigXCAgsQABiABBixAxiDAcICERAuGIAEGLEDGNEDGIMBGMcBwgIKEAAYgAQYQxiKBcICEBAuGIAEGLEDGEMYgwEYigXCAhAQABiABBixAxhDGIMBGIoFwgIQEC4YgAQYQxjHARiKBRivAcICDhAuGIAEGMcBGI4FGK8BwgIEEAAYA8ICDhAAGIAEGLEDGIMBGIoFwgIIEAAYgAQYsQPCAgUQLhiABMICCBAAGIAEGIsDwgIIEAAYgAQYogSYAwCSBwQyNS4xoAfeqwE&sclient=gws-wiz

Yes, Babylon was part of the Persian Empire after the Persian king Cyrus the Great conquered it in 539 BCE:
Conquest: Cyrus the Great led a military expedition to Babylon after growing in strength to the east. The Persian army entered the capital city after the Battle of Opis.
Incorporation: Babylon became a satrapy, or central province, of the Persian Empire.
Rule: The Babylonians were allowed to maintain most of their cultural traditions under Persian rule. Cyrus won the loyalty of the Babylonian elite and was seen as the legitimate successor to the ancient Babylonian kings.
Imperial residence: Babylon was one of the main imperial residences of the Persian Empire.
Expansion: Xerxes I expanded his titles to include "King of Babylon".
Babylon was the capital of southern Mesopotamia, or Babylonia, from the early 2nd millennium to the early 1st millennium BCE. It was at the height of its splendor in the 7th and 6th centuries BCE as the capital of the Neo-Babylonian (Chaldean) empire.

When did Babylon become Persia?
539 B.C.
In 539 B.C., less than a century after its founding, the legendary Persian king Cyrus the Great conquered Babylon. The fall of Babylon was complete when the empire came under Persian control.Feb 2, 2018

the Persian persecution of the Jews:
https://academic.oup.com/book/36021/chapter-abstract/313081922?redirectedFrom=fulltext

@samueltyler2

Why didn't you go back to Babylon - you tried to correct me and you seem to not really know the history.

Israel has been conquered several times.

There is a difference in conquering a nation __ a nation can be conquered without war the nation that is conquered does not have the ability to fight back. and being at war with a nation. A war / conflict is a battle _ a fight _ a military standoff between nations two or more.

What is going on between Israel and Iran started in the 7th / 8th century. Hundreds of years is a definition that fits or one can say just over a thousand years _ or you can say less than 2,000 years ago - I chose to say hundreds with an s.

@SDavis I give up. If a country is "conquered" it suggests a war. If you disagree, so be it. Yes, the Muslim religion is a relatively modern "invention," about 1700 years, again semantics.

@samueltyler2 conquering a country and warring with a country are two different things _ One does not **ALWAYS** have to be at war in order to be conquered by another country - history has shown this.
As you say if you disagree so be it.


Correct semantics - I say hundreds - you say thousands ....... and it hasn't been thousands since the Muslims who are occupying Iran and the Israelites who now occupy Israel has been at war / conflict / fighting each other.

@samueltyler2

Israel tried to WAR in the 7th / 8th century against the people who now called Iran - who's descendants are now considered Muslims / Iranians.

[media=https://youtu.be/xYie9ZLeLic?feature=shared]

[media=https://youtu.be/M5cL11dps4Y?feature=shared]

And that's been some historian state an estimated1300 ( because the Muslims peacefully entered Israel). Using the 8th century it would be 1600 years ago - still less than thousands.

@SDavis i am sorry i even brought it up, 1600 years is more than a thousand, so i have a right to call it that, but I was also referring to all of the times the Jews were attacked prior to the common era. It is arguable what countries you will call those who did such, including the Romans.

@samueltyler2

thousands mean more than one and less than one is not more than one.

You were in error to try to correct me in my usage of the word hundreds.

I was not referring to all the times that Israel has been at war in the land that they occupy.

I was referring to their direct interactions of war with the ancestors of and the people who are now called Iranians.

@samueltyler2


Babylon was NOT part of Persia when the Babylonians destroyed the First Temple, sacked Jerusalem and exiled many Jews to Babylon in 587 BCE.


I have no doubt that there were occasions during the course of the intervening thousands of years that Persians persecuted Jews, but the Babylonian captivity (587-539 BCE) was NOT one of them.

Psalm 137 (KJV)

1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.

2 We hanged our harps upon the willows in the midst thereof.

3 For there they that carried us away captive required of us a song; and they that wasted us required of us mirth, saying, Sing us one of the songs of Zion.

4 How shall we sing the LORD'S song in a strange land?

5 If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand forget her cunning.

6 If I do not remember thee, let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth; if I prefer not Jerusalem above my chief joy.

7 Remember, O LORD, the children of Edom in the day of Jerusalem; who said, Rase it, rase it, even to the foundation thereof.

8 O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.

9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.