How hard are some minimum firearm rules

Here is an example of the problem with people who know nothing of firearms making "common sense" rules.

The police and military ammo question. There is no difference between civilian and police ammunition. It is more effective (more destructive) than military ammo. Military ammo is "Full Metal Jacket" and doesn't reliably expand. It was required by the Haig convention to make warfare more humane and outlawed the British use of lead bullets (Dumdums) that were grooved and designed to expand and break apart when they struck a person. So, military ammo is not as reliable a stopper but does tend to over penetrate. (Goes through multiple people, walls, etc. easier)

Police ammo is expanding, usually with hollowpoint or softpoint projectiles (bullets), expands rapidly, causing damage that stops people quicker and tends to penetrate far enough to reach vital organs from any angle but not over penetrate, making it safer to use when there might be people or objects behind the person. Civilian ammo is the same as police ammo. It makes sense when both civilians and the police legally use their weapons for the same purpose, to protect themselves or others who are in immediate peril. Hunting ammo almost always uses an expanding bullet to try and insure a quick and humane kill of the game animal.

So when a person who is knowledgeable hears someone say "common sense" then talks about banning police/military ammo he knows you are talking about banning all ammo. That doesn't register as anything even remotely reasonable.

I have to go with my experiences of living in the uk, working in some decidedly dodgy places and living in Continental Europe. Experiences which show me that guns are never the answer to any problem.

March 1996 in Dunblane, Scotland: mass shooting which took the lives of sixteen children and one teacher. Fifteen children were also injured. As a result, the UK implemented some of the strictest gun ownership laws in the world.

Number of UK school shootings before 1996 – ZERO
Number of UK school shootings since 1996 – ZERO
Number of UK mass shootings since 1996 – ONE
Number of violent insurrections against the incumbent UK government since 1996 – ZERO
Number of foreign invasions of the UK since 1996 - ZERO
Number of contentious UK election results since 1996 – ZERO
Number of UK election results superseded by an outside body since 1996 – ZERO
Number of laws passed, in the UK, restricting the bodily autonomy of women since 1996 – ZERO
Number of laws passed, in the UK, restricting the sexual autonomy of people since 1996 – ZERO
Number of laws passed, in the UK, restricting what books children can and cannot read since 1996 – ZERO
Number of laws passed, in the UK, restricting what children can and cannot be taught in school since 1996 – ZERO

Yeah, you’re guns make you so fucking free and so fucking safe. My arse!

One more little titbit of info that will probably blow your minds:

Number of firearms carried by the general police force in the UK - ZERO

Yeah, that's right, the general copper on the beat only has an extendible baton, pepper spray, a pair of handcuffs and, that most important of tools...........a functioning brain that isn't paralysed by fear and propaganda.

So much for your "only criminals will have guns" bullshit.

So please continue tying yourselves up in knots about types of ammo, types of guns, etc etc etc etc........................while ALL of your peer nations go ahead and ban guns and make their citizens safer by doing so.

I disagree with most of that.
Raising the age for ownership is OK, but I seem to recall one of the school shooters took the gun from his parents or grandparents. Whack-a-doodles will find a way.
The ammo restriction is not practical. Military and police have the same 9 mm handgun I have, for example. AK-47 is basically a .22 LR - a very common caliber.

Making oddball calibers for military makes acquisition of ordinance a new problem.

Every one of the shooters has had whack-a-doodle history. The history can't be reported or sent to anyone because of regulations to protect privacy rights. And the violent time bombs walk the streets with the rest of us.

They used to confine crazy people for their own protection and that of society. Get patients the treatment they need before releasing them.

It's the violent people creating the problem. Not the guns.

Mimimum gun law. Teachers must have a CCP as part of their professional licensing. Teachers that cannot obtain a CCP because of mental issues or domestic violence will be reassigned as guards in gun free legislative offices.

I don't like red flag laws too much. They can be used unjustly.
Here a case in point for you to consider:
You and your next-door neighbor get into an argument about his frequency of mowing his lawn. Your neighbor says once every 12 days is enough, but you say it must be every 4 days and if he doesn't start doing it, you'll report him to the HMO or City. This upsets your neighbor. He then starts thinking about how he can get 'even' with you and realizes that from conversations that the two of you have had, that you are a hunter. That's the ticket he needs to fix you. He makes an anonymous call to the authorities stating that he feels threatened by you since you're a gun owner. The authorities raid your home, seize your guns, and after they do this, you are then served a notice that you are permanently banned from ever owning another gun. And this is how it happens. You've lost your US Constitutional Rights because you upset someone. See how easy that is.
You may think that once you're proven innocent of anything, you'll get your Rights back.
Please Re-think that.
Because Kyle Rittenhouse was proven Innocent and yet he hasn't got his Gun Rights Back.

I don't personally agree with banning ppl with psych issues from owning guns bc I fear it punishes ppl for seeking help, but if we did, we could very easily pay for that through Medicaid lol.

Personally, I'd like to mandate volunteer work, gun safety training (including storage), and a background check for people seeking gun ownership. With great power comes great responsibility, and the law should reflect that.

In Mexico it is illegal to own a military caliber weapon. They don't enforce this law on the drug cartels, though, who are about as well armed as the military itself. Beto needs to go down there and demonstrate how to confiscate guns. Lol! I want to watch that video.

The issue I have with red flag laws is that it opens the door to confiscation without due process. The potential for abuse could be significant.

Magazine capacity limitations is another. The difference between one 30 round magazine versus three 10 round magazines is about 4-6 seconds. Even less for a skilled shooter. Plenty of videos out there to show the difference is negligable. In the case of mass shooting such as Columbine or Virginia Tech, the shooters had 10 round mags, but the people were trapped. Where a standard 30 round magazine is advantageous is when someone or multiple people are shooting back. A good home defense carbine training course addresses home invasions. They are not rare...1.1 million per year in the US. The numbers vary, but on average almost 3 perps are involved. Under that sort of stress, magazine swaps make you vulnerable.

I have no issues with training. I just don't want the gov't to manage firearm training qualifications as it will lead to gun registries, and ultimately, confiscation. But by all means...if you own a gun, get trained and practice.

Military and police ammo? Need more clarity there. Armour piercing rounds. Ok. Hollow points. Thanks, but I'll keep mine.

Gun control is a slippery slope. The left claims gun owners are not willing to compromise...yet every gun law implemented infringes just a little. Not that I think we don't need rules. I'm all for background checks...even on Hunter Biden. Let's get guns out of the hands of felons. Felons account for 90% of all firearm homicides...weird because it's illegal for them to have a firearm in their possession. Keep guns away those who are mentally ill and represent a threat to society.

Are you aware that virtually all modern guns are semiautomatic? And that revolvers and bolt action rifles are becoming specialty purchases? Since magazines (not clips) can be changed out fairly easily what do you think limiting their size would accomplish? Did you simply hear that talking point on CNN?

Exactly what is military ammunition?

I'm feeling rather pleased that I live in a society where people don't feel the need to carry a weapon designed to kill.
That is all.

I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I agree with you on this! I would also add in that a conviction of domestic violence should be a prohibiting factor.

Make firearms training mandatory

Just a question: What is the point of limiting the size of the magazines? The few seconds it takes to change one for the other....

Require insurance on all firearms owned.

No lets not. Let's be more common sense oriented and fix the idiots.

My feeling is they [i]THEY[/i] have to be thrown some scraps at this point otherwise the mob will go nuts (nuttier).

If you can shoot as fast, or faster, than Jerry Miculek.

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I'd agree with those restrictions And people who do shootings generally don't go to therapy because by time they want to do that to people, it's too late. I also wanted to point out that it sucks to say this but we have genetics, it's not the reason behind it but some people are prone to it.

Military ballistics are not made to kill. They're made to inflict maximum damage without killing to demoralize the enemy rather than galvanized their resolution to fight.

I think you and others commenting on this should go to these and read as it might help

The Crisis of Fatherless Shooters
https://www.heritage.org/marriage-and-family/commentary/the-crisis-fatherless-shooters
ALSO
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/community-family/we-must-confront-the-cultural-mess-that-gave-us-uvalde

Effective gun control seems like a reasonable goal. Trying to limit the limits on gun murders is what we're all about, now.

Sounds great. Good luck getting 10 Senate Republicans to go along with that.

OMG do we agree on something else?? 😱