How hard are some minimum firearm rules

@IronHamster
You want a soldier to bodyguard your kids, hire one yourself and stop expecting teachers to do everything and if they can get around to it in the last five minutes...teach something, but only if it fits a parents political leanings. No wonder Americans are so fucking dumb in comparison to so many other countries

@Scribbles Americans had the best school system until Democrat Carter established the Department of Education. We also used to have a functional insane asylum system that would have housed most of the liberals that kill black people today.

Israel holds the precedent for armed teachers. Israel is like the best house in a bad neighborhood. They live daily with threats that would scare whimps into committing suicide. They know how to protect their children.

Meanwhile, you are advocating weapons for Ukraine but want to see American children die in gun free zones.

@IronHamster Sorry, are you this lazy in giving support to everyone in your life? "get a gun or be fired?"

All excellent points. @IronHamster

@Scribbles Nobody is arguing we fire teachers that aren't sane or felony free. We are just going to reallocate them to the NEW gun free zone.

@IronHamster Have you taught in a school the past 7 years? Obviously not.
The education system IS shit but not because of Carter. Both political parties are to blame for the educational system.

Btw...before Carter's time!? Hahahaha. Which schools? A couple of rich white ones from the 60's? Lol

One example: In 1973, in science the U.S. rank was found to be 14 out of 14 countries. We've barely improved since then.

It's a fucking joke and myth that we ever ranked high among comparable countries. There was no good system to measure that globally across the board so it was easy for people to lie and say we ranked high. If you look at educational studys that ask students across the globe from 1960s-to 2020 to do math, literacy tests in their own language, science, etc. America has always ranked average to low. Worse in the past then now actually.


Do you know how insane aslyums "functioned" in the past? You're a ruthless one. What Liberals are killing blacks? Please show actual proof not conspiracies.

Are you comparing Israel and Ukraine to being the same as gun violence towards kids in America, and needing the same solutions? I'm sorry those are three very different situations. Ukraine doesn't need handguns btw, atm they need missile defense systems and some way to combat artillery. If you can't tell the difference between a warzone and a school, perhaps you better see a doctor for that.

Why would you want to treat
a American school as the same as a warzone anyway? That's pretty fucked up. The point is to fix things so it's not a warzone! And so teachers and kids can learn in an environment with less violence. I'm all for teachers and kids surviving an attack. But we created our own mess that has resulted in Mass shootings. I propose fixing the cause... instead of training teachers to have to kill their own student who has had a mental break and bent on murdering. Can't we try that before giving up. For fuck's sake, I'd rather send my kids to Canada.

Kids and teachers have had enough of guns, you insensitive prick. I'm advocating that we modernize our gun laws like the rest of the world. There are over a hundred countries that allow citizens to have firearms but don't have mass shootings and don't feel the need to arm teachers. Yes give Ukraine what they need to win and survive a war.

Why don't you say what is so great about a gun free zone? You seem to think it's extra lethal. Yep, so funny. Your family.must be so proud of you.

@Scribbles You are kidding, right? Democrats are of the party of slavery, the party of Jim Crow, and the party of the Urban ghetto.

@IronHamster Are you ok? Slavery is over, Jim crow laws are over. Republicans are the ones that rezone things that create urban ghettos nowadays. They also create racist laws. Etc...

@Scribbles Provide an example.

@IronHamster sure, give me some times because I have to get moving on in my day (am currently leave the house-stuff to do) and will need to write later on.

@Scribbles Good luck with that. You may be surprised. In Seattle, a leftist group exclusively shot black people. In Portland, leftists are killing black people. Same thing in Chicago and Baltimore.

@IronHamster
Come on man, if your age is correct you must have learned about politics in the sixties from adults talking about their time as a youngun. Democrats championed civil rights, many Republicans scoffed and made fun of the civil rights laws and bills. Remember Barry? I'm only 34 and I know it. Anyway that's 60 years ago.

Current Examples of Republicans vs democratic attitudes and votes:

Slavery: Per the 13th amendment the only form of slavery legally allowed in the United States is forced Prison labour. Since at least 2007 Democratic lawmakers (back then most notably Merkley and Clay and 15 other democratic backers) have routinely proposed laws and amendments, etc so that work in prisons is humane, paid, and not forced but geared towards rehabilitation and gaining real job and work skills. Example: if an incarcerated person worked as a firefighter in California (as many do) it could potentially help them become a real firefighter when their sentence is done, rather then have no chance at all. Such laws and bills are almost always unanimously supported by democrats and only a few Republicans.

Per current events, This also applies to detainees: In 2018 ,18 Republican lawmakers argued in a letter to a congressman that undocumented immigrants that were detained should do forced labor because it saves the government money and improves prisoners' morale and that they should not be allowed to sue if they didn't like it.
The letter was signed by Lamar Smith, Jody Hice, Matt Gaetz, Steve King, Mike Rogers, Paul Gosar, Andy Biggs, Louie Gohmert, Dana Rohrabacher, Paul Cook, Scott Taylor, Earl “Buddy” Carter, John Ratcliffe, Duncan Hunter, Bob Gibbs, Barry Loudermilk, Brian Babin, and John Rutherford.

I can find no articles on leftist groups shooting black people in those cities on Google. You'll have to provide a link-perhaps it was under reported?. I see plenty of articles about white supremacists who also identify with conservative ideals and cops killing black people though. Perhaps you're confused?

Current Republicans vs Democrats contributing towards problems in cities:
I'd say both political parties have failed in addressing and fixing employment, crime, welfare reform, health care,urban revitalization, unfair laws from zone to zone, affirmative action policies in inner cities. We have no solutions to the grinding problems of poverty and discrimination. Just endless protests, and politicians (on both sides) being arrested or fired year after year. Money tends to go towards personal projects and not where it's needed.

Democrats tend to support more reform in laws, revitalization, and money towards welfare, housing, funding into community and schools,and starting business. It doesn't always work out though. Republicans tend to support more police on street and being tougher on crime. Some Republican ideas are ok and I can agree with some that are fair, some are outright terrible like Republican mayor Irvin when he was running for Chicago mayor talked about banning the use of anonymous complaints against police officers in misconduct investigations. And when asked his thoughts on added laws to his SAFE-T bill requiring body cameras at all departments by 2025, reforming use-of-force standards and expands detainee rights. He said he didn't support it and that it's a "defund the police" bill and will handcuff the police instead of criminals.

I try to pay attention to both parties equally since I tend to run independent as both parties have huge problems and occasionally both will have good ideas. I want to know exactly the effect my vote will have . I've mostly voted democrat but have voted Republican a couple times when they were a better person with better policies at the time.

I'm a bit shocked that your view of those political parties is based on ideals from 60 to over a hundred years ago with your reference of slavery, Jim crow, etc. Most of those politicians are all dead now, you know.

@Scribbles Fact check. Democrats hold the world record for filibusters. 75 days, trying to stop the Civil Rights Act. Martin Luther King was a Republican. The first black congressmen were ALL Republican.

@IronHamster fact check on what? I didn't mention any filibusters or MLK's party. Plus I think you're wrong from biographies I've read.

MLK would state when pressed about party affiliation, “I don’t think the Republican Party is a party full of the almighty God, nor is the Democratic Party. They both have weaknesses. And I’m not inextricably bound to either party.” What’s more, the parties of King’s time were different from the parties we know today; policies and platforms have changed drastically over time.

According to King biographer David J. Garrow, among the few times MLK ventured into open partisanship was to denounce Republican presidential candidate Barry Goldwater, who, as a senator, had voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964. King said in an interview, “I had no alternative but to urge every Negro and white person of goodwill to vote against Mr. Goldwater and to withdraw support from any Republican candidate that did not publicly disassociate himself from Senator Goldwater and his philosophy.”

Not sure where you got that he was Republican.
Yeah, and the first black president in America was Democrat, what's your point?

@Scribbles I don't like either party because the Republicans have too many RINOs, which is probably what he was referring to. Republicans aren't the solution to our problems, but Democrats are the causes for them.

@IronHamster I disagree with your reasoning but I agree in that I also don't like either party-just for different reasons.

Thanks for the discussion!