Meat is causing people to be illiterate.

@AthrillatheHunt I'm a bit more skeptical than my counterpart. You brought it up and then quickly tried to minimize bringing it up.

@LordShadowfire I brought it up as an example in the context of language , which was my whole point . Nothing to do w the ideology .

@Piper Everyone loves the idea of capitalism but not competition lol.

@LordShadowfire People are allowed to express different opinions on a public platform. Doing so helps to spread ideas and challenge orthodoxy. Please keep it respectful.

@SunshineGirl I never said you weren't allowed to express yourself. In fact, I highly encourage you to do so. It's most entertaining.

@SunshineGirl 1. But at the same time peanut butter is still labeled as butter and coconut milk is still labeled as milk, you can't change that. Which brings me back to my original point. As someone stated on this post already, alternative milks to dairy was first used for people with allergies and milk allergies are quite common especially in babies. Babies can be allergic to mother's milk even, nut milks are meant to be used in the same manner, poured over cereal, given to children, put in oatmeal, smoothies etc. '

2. Yes animal secretions are very real, we labeled it as milk though and if something else acts like milk, that can also be milk but clearly defined like "oat milk" or "soy milk." Milk is not real, milk was a name we gave animal secretions as I stated above, human and cow milk is milk because that's our term, the literal thing that it is, is secretions though. If you want to be technical and call that thing what it is we should call things as they are then.

3.
Look.... I'm not about to continue to write a thesis on why soy milk isn't confusing. If one is standing in the dairy department having an existential crises between dairy milk and oat milk, it seems to be a personal issue. Literally, like when I was in customer service and had to explain to people that we didn't have garlic bread, it's a sauce that we put on your choice of bread and then toppings. Sufficed to say a lot Americans didn't get that either, there's nothing no one can do at this point.

@SatanBurger quantity please. Those seeds are small. Image eating just the fat off of fatty steak. You would fill yourself up with seeds of the same amount of fat. The animal fat has more ogema series that is easily digestible.

Neither have omega 6 as well since that is only found in fish.

The point I am bringing up is there is three different categories though: proteins, carbohydrates and fats which are divided into two different areas.

As you mentioned ALA for plants which are very difficult to metabolize and in animals DHD and easy to metabolize.

@DeWayfarer Omega-6 isn’t only in fish, it’s actually abundant in plant foods like sunflower seeds, soy, and walnuts. Also a tablespoon of flax or chia already meets daily omega-3 needs, so you don’t need huge amounts. Plants are actually the original source of most omega fats in the food chain.

1 tbsp ground flaxseed, or

1 tbsp chia seeds, or

a small handful of walnuts

That’s it for the day.

Many people also get smaller amounts from foods like:

tofu

soy milk

canola oil

1 tablespoon ground flaxseed ≈ 2.3–2.5 g ALA

That equals 2300–2500 mg

So one tablespoon already gives more than the daily recommended amount.

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Several things came together that made people believe they need large amounts of omega-3 from animal foods, even if they already eat meat. It’s less about a single conspiracy and more about how nutrition science gets simplified and marketed.

1. Marketing focuses on EPA and DHA (the fish forms)

Fish and fish-oil marketing emphasizes EPA and DHA, which are the long-chain omega-3s found in fish.

Because plant foods mostly contain ALA, marketing often frames it like this:

“ALA isn’t good enough — you need EPA/DHA.”

But what usually gets left out is:

humans can convert ALA into EPA and DHA

the original source of EPA/DHA in the food chain is algae, not fish

many health organizations say ALA intake is sufficient for most people

So the messaging becomes simplified to the point of distortion.

2. Nutrition advice often gets turned into “more is better”

In the 1990s–2000s, studies linked omega-3 intake with heart health. That was real science.

But the public message became:

“Omega-3 is healthy” → true

“More omega-3 is better” → oversimplified

“You must eat lots of fish or supplements” → marketing leap

This happens with many nutrients (protein is another big example).

3. Industry groups promote foods that contain the nutrient

Industries naturally highlight nutrients their products contain.

Examples:

beef industry → protein, iron, B12

dairy industry → calcium

seafood industry → omega-3

Organizations like the National Fisheries Institute promote fish partly because of its omega-3 content.

That doesn’t mean omega-3 isn’t real — just that the messaging emphasizes their products as the solution.

4. People confuse “optimal intake” with “minimum requirement”

The actual essential omega-3 requirement (ALA) is small:

~1.1 g/day women

~1.6 g/day men

That’s why a tablespoon of flaxseed already covers it.

But many articles talk about higher “optimal” amounts, which can make it seem like you need huge quantities.

5. Fish-oil supplement marketing amplified the idea

The supplement boom also played a big role.

Once fish oil became a major supplement category, the message shifted toward:

“Everyone should take omega-3 supplements.”

But large modern reviews have found mixed evidence for major benefits in the general population.

@SatanBurger sorry I'm just going to disagree again. It's even more complicated than that.

It takes more energy to convert ALA to fats than DHA Your body can only use DHA.

Your body is not a plant. Conversion takes energy. That means more food.

@LordShadowfire No. Its not about intelligence, or lack there-of.

I'm saying that a naming convention already existed which precluded it from being called that, so by calling it "oat milk" the manufacturers / brands of the product where intentionally confusing customers by using a deceptive name.
Look at non-dairy coffee creamer: manufacturers and brands are specifically stating "this product is not"

@thisguy20
Oat milk isn't deceptive it's pretty clear that it's made from oats, it's in the name oat milk. It's not partially dairy, partially oat milk. It's not dairy milk, it's oat milk, it's in the name itself there is no deception there.

@thisguy20

@Charity Maybe who knows, I'm not saying they are dumb by saying illiterate, I'm saying the skill set of critical thinking is not learned by a large portion it seems.

@DDonde Yeah and there's hundreds of other products named like that. The real answer is that there's a war between agriculture and meat eating industries so they just make small stuff a big deal. It's such a small thing to have soy milk but the dairy industry and carnivores don't want it so no one else can have it because they know what's right for people even if they don't. Such as how it always goes

@jshm2 Fair point

@Convivial oh no 😭

@Convivial I remember thinking that when I was 5. I didn't realize any adults did...

@ViciDraco I did too but when I was a kid lol

@BohoBabe They wouldn't say in the news, they just said due to diets we now have gout and scurvy back lol like back in the pirate days. They wouldn't say the obvious thing that heavy meat based diets are on the rise where people think fruit will kill them

@swirlie I was in customer service and know how stupid people can be. I mean now that i have some empathy I do know there's things like Parkinsons and dementia that can affect older people so I kinda give them slack sometimes.

But on several occasions I've had the dumbest interactions with people ever. Like one time I worked at a sandwich place and they had a special on garlic bread sandwich slices to make sandwiches out of. Which was really a sauce, we just took the sauce and put it on the bread and toasted it.

The confusion was so bad I picked out bread for people after awhile and just chose for them because I had to explain to at least a dozen people that it was a sauce, we just put it on the bread of your choice, then you choose toppings.

I said it like that and people were still confused. That was the first time I was genuinely creeped out and thought I must be in a simulation or dream or something. Not even my nightmares creeped me out that badly.

Like and some of this was full on arguments with people, almost getting into a fist fight with someone because they couldn't understand that it wasn't literal garlic bread but a sauce 😭☝😵‍💫

@SatanBurger
Not only were those people not likely sterilized at birth, they are allowed to cast a vote for who they thought should be the President of the United States.

@swirlie Yeah and I've long questioned if people are honestly intelligent enough to make their own choices. I believe some are. I love the ability to vote but you have to consider that others can vote too and not everyone has the ability to know what's going on in the world.

I'm thinking that it's not like these people are stupid, it's that they never engaged in their brain and developed skills needed to use critical thinking.

@AthrillatheHunt Yes and cooking made more calories.

@SatanBurger not only calories. It changed the nutritional content. If a dog eats cooked meat there’s basically no nutritions content . If it eats raw meat it gets full nutritional content. Homo sapiens are the opposite. Our top 3 most important developments as a species are :1. Fire (cooked animal flesh )
2. Walking upright (this allowed us to see the world as its rulers )
3 agriculture (allowed civilizations to form )

@AthrillatheHunt Yup cooking created all that.

@AthrillatheHunt I know for a fact there was a part of human history where people just tried to milk every animal they could.

@ItsMeMorgue I imagine early humans trying to milk manatees , bats , and other primates haha

@AthrillatheHunt RIP to the poor human who tried to milk a bear.

@Pitchblue Yeah designed to sell meat and dairy products by those industries. A lot of our food is like that, it's hard to even know which way is up our society is so influenced by industry.

It's crazy. That's why I do my own thing, I'm vegan now.

@XxBlahxX Obviously you didn't. Your first comment has nothing to do with what I wrote and you already sound confused.

@SatanBurger its a basic post and one can have an opinion pertaining to the topic get over yourself 😂

@XxBlahxX I didn't say you couldn't have an opinion, I said it was irrelevant.

@JimboSaturn Well we have all these zoonotic diseases from animal agriculture, it's bound to happen sometime lol

@Ken4family still blurred, don't care.