Creationism and particularly Young Earth Creationism is a dying belief...and for good reason. I'm here to throw a few more nails into that coffin.

@Pikachu why is man the only one with a conscience? Did evolution figure we were the only ones that needed or? Lol

@Klingwood False assumption, sparky. Here's just a few examples of other animals who act like they have a "conscience":

• Dolphins have been known to rescue humans who are drowning or being threatened by sharks, as well as protecting other animals from sharks.

• Dogs have been known to rescue their owners from fires and other dire situations.

• Crows understand the concept of fairness and equity, and get upset at perceived unfairness. (Yes, my friends, you knew I would bring the conversation back to crows and ravens. Because they rock.) Primates and even dogs and cats also understand this concept.

In fact, the general consensus among researchers and people who just work around animals is that yes, they do have a conscience, and it's not unique to humans. So shouldn't you maybe stop lying about them?

@Klingwood

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You're close but you're misunderstanding just little bit.
We would expect single celled organisms to be found at the bottom layers exclusively before we see multicellular organism appear, yes.
But single celled organisms did not go extinct with the evolution of multicellular life and so we would expect to see them in the same layers after a certain point.
Similarly, we know that birds evolved from dinosaurs. So at a certain level we see only dinosaurs and no birds but after a certain level we see both birds and dinosaurs AND we see a number of animals in between showing characteristics of both dinosaurs and birds.
Hmmmmm

If god created life in its present form at the same time...why is there not one single example of a rabbit in the same layer as a trilobite or a dolphin in the same layer as a mosasaur or a human in the same layer as a tyrannosaur?
Or indeed, why before a certain level are there no birds and only dinosaurs but after a certain level both birds and dinosaurs?
Are we gonna go with " don't ask me why a sovereign God does what he does" ?


As LordShadowfire pointed out, there are other animals (usually social animals) that exhibit what can be considered a conscientious treatment of other members of their species and even animals outside their species.

But even if humans were the only animals with a conscience, we know that such a trait is beneficial to living in a social group. We know that a social group is an adaptive advantage and therefore we know that under evolution there is a selective pressure for members that exhibit this trait.
See how evolution keeps giving a consistent answer to virtually every question while the creationist says things like " why ask me why a sovereign God does what he does".....



Well taxonomically, humans are apes and the idea of a half and half animal chimera would actually disprove evolution.
But if you're looking for an example showing the characteristics of ancient apes and modern humans....i have little challenge for you.
Here are a series of skulls with ancient non-human apes at the start and atomically modern humans at the end.
Tell me which skull you are confident represents the last non-human and which represents the first human.



...The hesitance and confusion you are now feeling should cause you to consider the validity of your position.


Edit: I'd like you also to consider the example of bird dinosaur evolution with respect to your question about " half this, half that" animals. I can give you more details on that subject.

@Klingwood asks Science is indeed constantly improving. That's a feature, not a bug.

@Klingwood says in response to me saying
Please clarify: you never suggested eyes are for seeing and ears for hearing?
Or you never suggested we shouldn't use reason?

Because you very much DID suggested we shouldn't use reason when you said
You are saying nope, can't use reason about why would God hide all those dinosaur bones and precursor species in the fossil record, and ehy would God salt all the layers of rock with isotopes that can be used for measuring the ages of rocks, and why would God put over a hundred thousand seasonal layers in the Greenland ice sheets.

You are saying YES, we have reason, and NO, don't use it whenever it contradicts YOUR interpretation of Genesis.

@ElwoodBlues I guess you have a hard time understanding me for I never said or meant we shouldn't use reasoning but then again we all like to read what we want to read

@Klingwood says I guess you have a hard time understanding the implications of what you yourself say. You tried an appeal to reason with your "how often has science been wrong" approach. And you've told me that when my reason and your interpretation of Genesis disagree, I should abandon my reason and depend on your "faith."

Reason tells me humans evolved from other primates on a 4.5 billion year old Earth. And your whole point here is that I should abandon that reasoning.

I believe in evolution but not that it was the start of anything so showing me that it's real will change nothing

@Klingwood


Yes, they are better...under a given set of envrionmental pressures.

Monkeys won't thrive under water, fish won't thrive in trees.
Do you understand what i'm saying?

@Klingwood
because they were not successful in propagating their genes in the environment in which they found themselves.

Do you understand that individuals are irrelevant, and that species are irrelevant? All that matters is the replication of genes (that's why your genes made you). The difficulty genes face is that they march backwards into the future... every time a gene is replicated it cannot know the environment in which it will need to replicate, because the environment is constantly changing. Its environment also includes the other genes with which it exists, and constant mixing of genes from sexual reproduction further limits or enhances its chances... it cannot know beforehand how that will play out.

For genes that arrive into an unfavourable environment where their replication is constrained or prevented the sentence is death There is no appeal, and the sentence is carried out immediately.

@ElwoodBlues it's not a science text book or geo text book never claims to be

@Klingwood Tell us then, why it is that creationists insist that the bible is "scientifically" accurate. Preachers and lay people alike.

@Klingwood
Science never tries to prove anything... that's part of its strength.

The only people who say 'scientifically proven' are lay people and advertisers.

@Klingwood Um your response to me didn't hit on any specific points I made, that's how you know you don't have a point

@NerdyPotato that's what I was trying with this conversation but so far I've learned nothing new but thx

@SatanBurger yes let me make this easy for all of you your right ,I'm wrong ,I'm a fool . Now maybe we can stop and get on with our life's now that you feel better. Good luck to you all ,I hope you all read this so I don't need to write to each of you.stay in your closed minded thoughts and enjoy .

@Straylight

Oh for sure. Most of the people i've interacted with will double down or just shut down when they begin to realize that the actual evidence opposes their world view.

@Straylight Yeah it does, activates in the same brain region.

@Pikachu as I said evolution is real it's just not what started anything

I'm waiting for you to prove creating isn't a reality

@Klingwood

Agreed. The Theory of evolution does not currently explain the origin of life. But it does explicitly preclude the creation story in the Bible. Are you ok with that?

@Pikachu that doesn't change a thing. If we are related to apes ,why do apes still exist evolution eliminates the weak for the new stronger version so to speak therefore if I'm related to apes they should all be gone by now. And if so where is the half ape half human?as I said God is sovereign so I can't answer why he does everything he does but only guess for he hasn't told me and I don't expect him to

@Klingwood


Could you survive and thrive naked in the jungle? No.
So you're not a stringer version of other apes...under those conditions. That's what evolution selects for: beneficial traits under the condition that the species lives in.
So you can use a cell phone and read and network...is that going to give you an advantage in an environment where those skills are not beneficial? No.
You must abandon this perception of a hierarchy. Adaptive success is conditional.

@Klingwood

But make an effort. Using a starting point of creation, how would you account for that data?

@Kwek00 Apologies... wrong recipient. It was meant for @Klingwood

@Kwek00 so in other words you can't wich is what I know.you say it's fiction obviously you know nothing about it. Just check on the history of the prophecy in it. There is no way it is fiction when so many history books line up with it . The age of it etc

@Klingwood ever heard of "confirmation bias"? ... it seems to be staring at you in the mirror every morning.

@Tastyfrzz why leave out heaven and hell if one believes it's real? What kind of love is that? I would want to know so one wouldn't be treating another the way he wants to be treated if I left heaven and he out of it

@Klingwood what kind of love doesn't include manipulation and threats of torture? Any kind of actual love. Anything that is based on those two things isn't love.

@Klingwood maybe you treat them nice just for the hell of it.

@Klingwood

What's not dying in your life?

@Klingwood You and everyone else will die. I have never seen a person become a zombie so they are most certainly dead. If you're talking about an afterlife then that makes the most sense but even then, to get to the 100s of different afterlives, one has to technically die.

Science suggests the possibility of living forever not with technology but the way our cells operate makes it possible but that's getting off track

@Klingwood


I don't know you and i don't know what you have faith in...but if you're here in good faith then please raise any questions or criticisms you have with evolution and i will do my best to address them.

@Diotrephes well I guess you can't show me? By the way I've reAd it more then once.actually lost count

@Klingwood
Maybe you read the short Bible instead of the complete one.


Wisdom 19:18-20 (CEB) =
"18 If we are careful to observe events, we can see just how the elements of the universe are transformed. It’s the same transformation that happens when someone changes the sounds that a harp makes by changing the key while continuing to play the same melody. 19 In this way, land animals were changed into underwater creatures, while animals that swam in the waters now moved onto the land. 20 Fire was able to burn on the open water, while water forgot that it was supposed to put fire out."

As an intelligent person, doesn't that passage describes evolution? Remember how whales were land animals and evolved into sea creatures?

@Diotrephes I'm not saying it's not there ,I've read it several times but I just don't recall that's why I ask.i believe in evolution to a point