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Creationism and particularly Young Earth Creationism is a dying belief...and for good reason. I'm here to throw a few more nails into that coffin.

I'm in the mood to educate Creationists on the subject of Evolution. What are your questions? Criticisms? Misconceptions? Ask the Atheist!

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ElwoodBlues · M

@Klingwood asks

Have you even ever even tried the bible?

Yes I have. Explain to us about the Earth's four corners.

does the Earth have four corners like the Bible says? Is the Earth truly a quadrilateral?? If so, where are these four alleged corners???

Isaiah 11:12 — And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Rev 7:1 — And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

Rev 20:8 — And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Ezekiel 7:2 — Also, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord God unto the land of Israel; An end, the end is come upon the four corners of the land.

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Klingwood · 61-69, M

@ElwoodBlues because we don't have total understanding of the bible doesn't mean it's not correct.but why do you think they call it evolutionary theory? Because it can't be proven it's a believe and it has proven itself wrong time and time again

Klingwood · 61-69, M

@ElwoodBlues you say you've tried the bible how so?

NerdyPotato · M

@Klingwood so you don't even know what "theory" means in a scientifical context. 🥲 You think the theory of gravity is just opinion too and can't be proven? As Tim Minchin said: "That would be great, because then maybe they'd float the f- away."

Klingwood · 61-69, M

@NerdyPotato as I said all you have are insults I've got better things to do then hear from you thx

Klingwood · 61-69, M

But no gravity is not a theory

ElwoodBlues · M

@Klingwood says

because we don't have total understanding of the bible doesn't mean it's not correct.

WEAK!! How weak??

Just because we don't have total understanding of evolution doesn't mean it's not correct.

Just because we don't have total understanding of the Big Bang doesn't mean it's not correct.

Just because we don't have total understanding of Buddhism doesn't mean it's not correct.

Just because we don't have total understanding of Egyptian/Greek/Roman/Norse mythology doesn't mean it's not correct.

Does our spherical Earth have "ends"? If so, where??

Proverbs 30:4 —
Who hath bound the waters in a garment?
Who hath established all the ends of the earth?

Job 37:3 — He directeth it under the whole heaven, And his lightning unto the ends of the earth.

If we're living on a sphere, we're never going to reach any "end of the Earth," right?

NerdyPotato · M

@Klingwood again, what insults?

NerdyPotato · M

@Klingwood then please explain to me what makes the theory of evolution a theory, and the theory of gravity not. Clearly the difference is not in the name "theory" then.

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Klingwood · 61-69, M

@NerdyPotato one hat been proven and one has not .I know that's hard for you

ElwoodBlues · M

@Klingwood

one hat been proven and one has not .I know that's hard for you

I majored in physics. Newton's LAW of gravity was considered proven. Then Einstein proved it false. Einstein's theory of gravity currently holds sway, but it can't be proven, only disproven. That's the nature of science. I know that's hard for you.

BTW, we still use Newton's ERRONEOUS theory of gravity. Even NASA uses it in many cases. Why use a false theory? Because the errors are too small in most cases, and we know when not to use it. That's also the nature of science. I know that's hard for you.

Klingwood · 61-69, M

@ElwoodBlues again your proving that the Bible is more trustworthy then evolution thx . But now gravity is considered law but there are parts of it that they still can not prove .

ElwoodBlues · M

@Klingwood Just because we don't have total understanding of evolution doesn't mean it's not correct.

Just because we don't have total understanding of the Big Bang doesn't mean it's not correct.

Just because we don't have total understanding of general relativity doesn't mean it's not correct.

Just because we don't have total understanding of Buddhism doesn't mean it's not correct.

Just because we don't have total understanding of Egyptian/Greek/Roman/Norse mythology doesn't mean it's not correct.

Klingwood · 61-69, M

@ElwoodBlues no what's hard for me are people that can't accept they have faith in other things then a God and don't know it. I keep saying evolution is real but not to the extent you all want it to be which is why science keeps proving itself wrong. The Bible has not proved itself wrong and neither has man.

Klingwood · 61-69, M

@ElwoodBlues again I agree but it certainly doesn't make it the beginning of life either.. and never will ,it's faith

ElwoodBlues · M

@Klingwood You say the Bible hasn't proven itself wrong, but the evidence HAS proven the Bible wrong. The Earth is far older than 6000 years. The Earth doesn't have four corners. The Earth doesn't have "ends." Humans are descended from earlier primates. The evidence says all these things, and they all disagree with the Bible.

You don't understand how science works, and can't admit it.

Klingwood · 61-69, M

@ElwoodBlues no more then you can admit you don't understand the Bible very well at all

ElwoodBlues · M

@Klingwood I've got two friends who are priests whom I see on a monthly basis. Neither of them - nor their priest buddies - deny evolution nor the age of the Earth. I know published scientists who are also religious. They, like my priest friends, manage to fit their understanding of Christianity into their understanding of science. None of them have backed themselves into corners of denial the way you have. I know that it's possible to be a Christian while understanding that portions of the Bible are figurative or parables or whatever.

Klingwood · 61-69, M

@ElwoodBlues you obviously know nothing of what I've said. I don't deny evolution!!!! And I don't necessarily say the earth is young or old!!!!!. Just that there are different ways to look at it and both sides have there reasons but neither can be proven period!!!

ElwoodBlues · M

@Klingwood You said

The young earth is not hard for those that believe in a God

Sounds like a denial of the geological age of the Earth to me. You also claimed Adam was born fully grown. Another denial of the age of the Earth and a denial of evolution. And your weak defense of "four corners of the Earth" tells me you REALLY want to interpret every word of the Bible literally. You seem unable to stand behind what you yourself have previously said!

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@Klingwood

...both sides have there reasons but neither can be proven period!!!

If only there weren't all that pesky evidence...

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@Klingwood

science keeps proving itself wrong

That's normal and expected in the scientific method... it's part of the strength of science. There are no authorities, and everything must be questioned

In religion, that's called heresy, and heretics are killed.

LordShadowfire · 46-50, M

@Klingwood Wow, okay. You just lost all believability when you blamed people's understanding of the Bible for the Bible being inaccurate.

Klingwood · 61-69, M

@ElwoodBlues it's not a science text book or geo text book never claims to be

autumngirl27

@Klingwood Tell us then, why it is that creationists insist that the bible is "scientifically" accurate. Preachers and lay people alike.

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