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Creationism and particularly Young Earth Creationism is a dying belief...and for good reason. I'm here to throw a few more nails into that coffin.

I'm in the mood to educate Creationists on the subject of Evolution. What are your questions? Criticisms? Misconceptions? Ask the Atheist!

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ElwoodBlues · M

@Klingwood says

The young earth is not hard for those that believe in a God

REALLY???

Why would God hide all those dinosaur bones and precursor species in the fossil record??

Why would God salt all the layers of rock with isotopes that can be used for measuring the ages of rocks?

Why did God build 100,000 years of layers in to Greenland ice sheets if the Earth is young?

Why did God fill limestone caves with stalactites many meters long if they only grow 1mm in 10 years (and they also show layers)?

Of course outer space offers many clocks. Accumulation of craters on airless bodies like the Moon forms a clock. Shells of glowing gas left over from novas and supernovas form clocks (the Lambda Orionis Ring is about 1 million years old). The redshift of light from galaxies billions of light years away form clocks. The Hubble expansion of the universe forms a clock. The frequency shift of big bang radiation to form the cosmic microwave background is a clock.

No one clock is perfect, but they all corroborate each other pretty well, and they ALL give life and the universe FAR MORE than 6000 years to evolve.

WHY WOULD GOD INUNDATE US WITH ALL THIS AGE DATA IF IT WERE FALSE???

Klingwood · 61-69, M

@ElwoodBlues you ask questions of a sovereign God ,how can I answer for him?

Klingwood · 61-69, M

@ElwoodBlues who says god his anything? Just because we are to simple to understand God only explains why he is god and not us

Klingwood · 61-69, M

@ElwoodBlues or maybe just to make us ask questions so we would have to decide where to put our faith.i can ask the same kinda of ? I've seen many miracles and see no way that evolution had anything to do with it why does everything deteriorate when evolution is making things stronger and better?where is the man that is advanced someway, has something different that's making the next generation better ,stronger? Or are we perfect now. Where is the change on our bodies to deal with the heat that's building more and more.

SatanBurger · 36-40, F

@Klingwood That's pretty convenient. Whenever someone questions inconsistencies, it's because God works mysteriously. You could apply that to anything.

Kwek00 · 41-45, M

@Klingwood

@ElwoodBlues who says god his anything? Just because we are to simple to understand God only explains why he is god and not us

I'm pretty sure that if we are to simple to understand something... we shouldn't be listening to it.

ElwoodBlues · M

@Klingwood From your perspective, God gave us eyes; so it's not a giant leap to presume he wants us to see.
And, from your perspective, God gave us ears, a nose, a tongue; so it's not a giant leap to presume he wants us to hear, smell and taste.
And from your perspective, God gave us REASON. But you presume he doesn't want us to use that ability??

Dude, that's just silly!!

Klingwood · 61-69, M

@SatanBurger I find that anything but convenient but to each their own

Klingwood · 61-69, M

@ElwoodBlues I never suggested any such thing. Now don't know where you even got that from.but then again we like to read into things what we want

Klingwood · 61-69, M

@ElwoodBlues as I said the earth could have been made to start at six billion years old .just as Adam wasn't born an infant

Klingwood · 61-69, M

@Kwek00 right dude lmao. So you were at one time to simple for math ,guess you should never have tried.lol

Kwek00 · 41-45, M

@Klingwood

@Kwek00 right dude lmao. So you were at one time to simple for math ,guess you should never have tried.lol

The fact that I understood math later on... meant I wasn't too simple for it anymore.
But when it comes to God... his ways seem to be beyond human understanding, they are mysterious and will always be mysterious. You are not the first religious person that goes: "We are to simple to understand god"?

Unlike God, when it comes to math, we have the capacity for understanding. But with your particulair version of God, we are always in the dark. Hence... If God is always beyond our understanding, we shouldn't even try, because it's a fools errant.

@ElwoodBlues I never suggested any such thing. Now don't know where you even got that from.but then again we like to read into things what we want

I hope the person that uses the bible as a dataset, would be more aware of this.

Klingwood · 61-69, M

@Kwek00 I'll never fully understand how the brain works either yet we reach for it. God is the same way except if you could ever fully know and understand him he would no longer be God.

Kwek00 · 41-45, M

@Klingwood Because of scientific progress, because of failure and error... those things you were laughing with and using as an argument AGAINST further development of knowledge through scientific means. The brain is also material, we can measure what goes on in the brain, therefore, it lies in our capacity to understand.

God... God is interpretated by many human beings, that all read their all thing into it. And once their conception of God has formed, reality needs to be pushed into the mold of the fantasy that was created. They put the cart in front of the horses to satisfy themselves... and when people start questioning that behavior and the outcomes of their ideas, these people retreat by going: "Well, God is mysterious, we'll never fully understand it". But that's not satisfactory, and if you can't understand something, you shouldn't be obeying it's orders.

Klingwood · 61-69, M

@Kwek00 it's just shows you have studied evolution but not the word of God.ans again he wouldn't be a higher power if you understood all about him .

Kwek00 · 41-45, M

@Klingwood Why would I study the bible? To explain things in the real world that have nothing to do with the Christian Religion? If the bible was the way to go, your understanding of the brain would be on cave-man levels.

Klingwood · 61-69, M

@Kwek00 lol then why study any books? In 2000 years it hasn't been disproved yet how many times has science been wrong? Uh which is more reliable?

Kwek00 · 41-45, M

@Klingwood There is a vast number of people that study theology and look do research on the history of the bible. And those that are serious in their work (not christian theologians, that take theology for history) have written a vast amount of valid criticism. I guess you missed that part of the last 2000 years?

Scientific discoveries and explanations are adjusted according to evidence... something religious people have a hard time dealing with. That's why some of them in their denial make claims that in the last 2000 years the Bible has not been disproven and stuff. It's all kinda wacky ones you adopt a dogmatic believe.

Scientific advancement will always be more reliable then dogmatic believes. Science can change it's position according to evidence, dogmatism can't. It's forever stuck in the same believe set, even when it's wrong.

ElwoodBlues · M

@Klingwood asks

yet how many times has science been wrong?

Science is indeed constantly improving. That's a feature, not a bug.

@Klingwood says

I never suggested any such thing.

in response to me saying

From your perspective, God gave us eyes; so it's not a giant leap to presume he wants us to see.
And, from your perspective, God gave us ears, a nose, a tongue; so it's not a giant leap to presume he wants us to hear, smell and taste.
And from your perspective, God gave us REASON. But you presume he doesn't want us to use that ability??

Please clarify: you never suggested eyes are for seeing and ears for hearing?
Or you never suggested we shouldn't use reason?

Because you very much DID suggested we shouldn't use reason when you said

who says god his anything? Just because we are to simple to understand God only explains why he is god and not us

You are saying nope, can't use reason about why would God hide all those dinosaur bones and precursor species in the fossil record, and ehy would God salt all the layers of rock with isotopes that can be used for measuring the ages of rocks, and why would God put over a hundred thousand seasonal layers in the Greenland ice sheets.

You are saying YES, we have reason, and NO, don't use it whenever it contradicts YOUR interpretation of Genesis.

Klingwood · 61-69, M

@ElwoodBlues I guess you have a hard time understanding me for I never said or meant we shouldn't use reasoning but then again we all like to read what we want to read

ElwoodBlues · M

@Klingwood says

I guess you have a hard time understanding me

I guess you have a hard time understanding the implications of what you yourself say. You tried an appeal to reason with your "how often has science been wrong" approach. And you've told me that when my reason and your interpretation of Genesis disagree, I should abandon my reason and depend on your "faith."

I never said or meant we shouldn't use reasoning

Reason tells me humans evolved from other primates on a 4.5 billion year old Earth. And your whole point here is that I should abandon that reasoning.