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Do you believe there was a pandemic?

Jordan Peterson says that he doesn't think there was a covid pandemic. The death statistics certainly don't show that there was one. Yes people died from Covid but then people die from all kinds of diseases. That does not mean a pandemic. Peterson goes on to say that what we had was 2 years of totalitarian government. Another point where I agree with him
Fairydust · F
No, it was all a scam.
HumanEarth · 56-60, F
I agree with you
ImpeccablyImperfect · 51-55, F
It was a total scam
HumanEarth · 56-60, F
@ImpeccablyImperfect I agree with you
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@Fairydust I HAVE looked into it. There is NO evidence to support your claims.

I also looked at the cite you just quoted. I listed the deaths in 22 months in which the death certificates [b][u]ONLY[/u][/b] listed COVID as the cause. There were 6,183 such deaths, or 134 deaths per month. The current dashboard is stating a higher number of cases in which the term COVID is listed. But, I don't know if anyone has ever stated millions of deaths in the UK.
Fairydust · F
@samueltyler2

Because they murdered them with midazolam!

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No. The covid virus may be real, but the pandemic was fear porn. There's no way the flu disappears like that. The PCR tests are notoriously inaccurate particularly with false positives. The "death with covid" vs "death from covid." And according to the data provided...there were more covid deaths in the year after the jab was released, than the year prior.

smileylovesgaming · 31-35, F
Makes u wonder if they knew the human population was to much. So they made a virus that could kill a few million. Then a vaccine that would kill people with cancer. those hospitals would make billions from all of this
smileylovesgaming · 31-35, F
@BizSuitStacy I wouldn't say the whole race just a few million all across the globe
@smileylovesgaming that's enough to help create the necessary fear porn in the media.
smileylovesgaming · 31-35, F
@BizSuitStacy that is obviously what is going on. I keep hearing about perfectly healthy people getting cancer and what all do they have in common that is the Covid vaccine
ImpeccablyImperfect · 51-55, F
@samueltyler2 Sadly, people die all the time, people die every single flu season….thats nothing new. No, the hoax was making everyone believe there was a [b]‘pandemic’[/b]. THAT is some scary ass shit right there, to see how [i][b]easily[/b][/i] they made people just fall into line and start doing crazy shit (like taking their death jab)…and the best part…[i]because they [b]care[/b][/i]!!!!
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@Fairydust You have no idea what you are speaking about when you say the deaths are not caused by covid. If someone is immunocompromised by cancer but dies because of COVID, then the proximate cause of death is covid. If someone has heart disease and has a heart attack precipitated by covid, it is a death caused by covid. That are the rules, those rules have been followed by medical care providers for the 60+ years that I know of, even back in the 1960s when I did a rotation in London. I don't know where you were able to tease out any gunshot deaths or auto crash deaths that might have been called covid.

In the UK there still is averaging over 200 COVID deaths per week, much lower than 2 years ago, lower than last week as well, but if that is your family member, it is still very significant. It is still a greater rate than influenza. (If you compare UK with 67 million to US with 320 million, that death per week is very similar)

Herre is the UK government website for you review.

covid dashboard: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths
respiratory date including covid, influenza, etc.: https://ukhsa-dashboard.data.gov.uk/

explanation of how the data is collected. remember that the positive test for covid is only the PCR, home antigen testing is NOT reported, which probably means that it is underreported.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/sources-of-surveillance-data-for-influenza-covid-19-and-other-respiratory-viruses/sources-of-surveillance-data-for-influenza-covid-19-and-other-respiratory-viruses

You can believe what you want, the data however, is the data and can be reviewed by anyone who desires.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@samueltyler2 And when covid did NOT cause the death it was still labeled as a covid death. The fact is that a heart attack is a heart attack and the death from a heart attack is the result of the heart attack. A cold such is covid may have been a bit of a contributing factor but the death was the result of the heart attack and not covid.
Fairydust · F
@samueltyler2

I do know what I’m talking about.
The whole thing was a scam!

We have corruption in our governments and you keep defending them. Ffs 🤦🏼‍♀️
Rebranded flu season to push their jab jab
gol979 · 41-45, M
It was an obvious illusion. The curtain has been pulled back for many, hopefully next time they try the bs virus line and house arrest for entire countries enough people will stand up to illegitimate authority
RedGrizzly · 26-30, F
Yes. I've had covid when I worked security in one of Verizon's warehouses. The whole facility with everyone in it got Covid. I'm not saying that statistics weren't manipulated to cause mass hysteria nor did other illnesses disappear but we've never faced Covid 19 before on such a rapid and wide scale. It was an outbreak like when TB had an outbreak back in the 1890's, hell, even TB not everyone that got it died from it. Some actually recovered believe it or not and for some it wasn't acute enough where they were able to live out the rest of their lives. But I'm not going to excuse the actions of those using a pandemic as an opportunity to do a practice run of a dictatorship either. Call it whatever you want, but it happened. The vaccine is another story I won't get in to. That sh!t was lethal in itself.
RedGrizzly · 26-30, F
@samueltyler2 oh, and don't take it the wrong way when I'm debating with you. Lol we're on the same side. It's just I'm passionate about history and the sooner we forget or [b]deny[/b] the events that have happened, the quicker we start going full circle repeating it again. I want people to remember this "pandemic" and all the controversy and b.s. attached to it so that as a collective we can move forward with the understanding that our government will do and use everything to tighten a grip on our lives.

I mean, I'm so damn sick and tired of people now days learning b.s. and being censored from history. Why does socialism and communism ideals still float around today? Did we forget Red Scare, Soviet Union, hell how Thanksgiving actually came to be? The Plymouth colony before the U.S. was birthed as a nation was planned to be a socialist commune. [b]It FAILED.[/b] They faced starvation and death, until they reworked their form of government to being more capitalistic and as a Republic to where it ended the long period of famine and struggle...[i]that they celebrated with a Thanksgiving dinner.[/i] [b]Nobody knows that now days.[/b] They reworked history to feeding the humanitarian narrative that the Native Americans saved their asses (which is what I was taught almost twenty years ago). Funny how they left out that part.

So, sorry if I came off strong, I just find it urgent to try to protect the events that do happen in our lifetime or not so it's not rendered or forgotten. We need to remember is all.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@RedGrizzly I have no intention of getting into a political debate over the issues you raise. I am a strong believer in the scientific method and the crap that is posted about covid, the refusal to accept the existence of the virus, the refusal to become immunized, wear masks and to take anti-viral agents has contributed to over 0.5 million deaths that probably could have been prevented. Public health is very complicate, epidemiology is not the easiest thing to understand, but the evidence and the knowledge we have gained from this pandemic is astounding. That people refuse to become educated, and through invectives at those who argue against the nonsense they spout, is disheartening. It does show that we in public health have not properly educated the public.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@samueltyler2 Based on the evidence you posted I have concluded you have no idea what science is. Masks are the same as using a barbed wire fence to keep out mosquitos. There was no evidence that the vax had any immunization capabilities. In fact evidence shows the vax to be far more deadly than the virus. .
No. It was an opportunity to conduct a manipulative experiment in controlling the masses.
Confined · 56-60, M
Mostly hype. Mostly bad flu.
GerOttman · 61-69, M
i work in hospitals, there were a bunch of folks hooked up to venilators for a while. and i really hate when someone says "it's just the flu" there's nothing trivial about the flu. did governments push the panic button and run amok? yeah, they did.
Fairydust · F
@GerOttman they poison us through many ways. Get us on meds that never cure us, just keep us more sick. 💰 💊
HumanEarth · 56-60, F
@Fairydust like vaccines
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Guardian · 56-60, M
3 years ago, I would have thought that he was crazy nuts!
Not anymore, I don't trust WHO, Dr Fallucci or the government.
As far as I’m concerned, semantics aside, there was a coordinated effort on the part of many who had and still have an agenda to bring some new world governance about, that resulted in the intentional release of a virus that once loose, infected and claimed lives. It in my opinion was a tool used against the populations in countries to effect an agenda of fear, intimidation, subjugation and control.
exexec · 61-69, C
Yes, there certainly was an epidemic around here.
Baremine · 70-79, C
@exexec epidemic amount of bullshit
exexec · 61-69, C
@Baremine Thank you for you intelligent reply.
Baremine · 70-79, C
@exexec you are most welcome
Ramon67 · 61-69, M
The pandemic was a scam
Majorsite · 61-69, M
No, Emphatically !
MougyWolf · 36-40, M
Musicman · 61-69, M
Yes I do, but I don't believe it was anywhere near the magnitude they claimed it to be.
Baremine · 70-79, C
jehova · 31-35, M
No suprise the cure is the sebi diet aka the alfred bowman diet fyi. Its also called . . .
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hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@jshm2 Just curious how many jabs did you get to prevent a cold? I had no jabs. I had a mild cold called covid and never missed a days work. My brother in law, neighbor, cousin , cousin in law and a friend from church all died from the jab. I still don't know anyone who died from covid. I heard of a distant relative who was very elderly and in very frail health who died with covid but not from it. So about that stupid label..... Seems to apply to you much more than it does to me. Have a nice if very foreshortened life. That vax you got is not a good thing.

 
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