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Yes. One-third of man-made methane emissions come from cows. Culling them would significantly reduce methane emissions; and as methane is a much more powerful and short lived greenhouse gas than CO2 it would help to reduce temperatures massively.
So yeah, cull them
So yeah, cull them
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revenant · F
@ElwoodBlues people have more important things to do. Ask a farmer.
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ArishMell · 70-79, M
No, but better farming practices will.
I don't think anyone is seriously calling for a cull (just let the herds dwindle normally) but it seems the whole anti-cattle thing came from a poor-quality report to the UN that looked at cattle-farming only in areas of the USA not really suited to the animals, so needing considerable quantities of extra feed-stuffs.
They did not consider countries and regions where animals can be farmed sustainably. A lot of British farmers are now doing that by turning to what is rather pretentiously called "Regenerative Farming". Actually it is reverting to what had been the practice since the 18C, of carefully-managed crops, fallow and animal rotations.
An increasing number of farms are also using slurry-digesters to ferment manure to produce methane that can be used as heating or engine fuel, and fertiliser.
Besides, in the right conditions, all decaying or fermenting, dead vegetable matter, in the ground or inside any animal including we humans, evolves both methane and carbon-dioxide naturally.
I should add I have no connection to agriculture but my leisure interests do take me into the countryside so I make a point of trying to understand the industry, I am not a rabid vegan (if that's not self-contradictory) nor one of the abandon-the-countryside "re-wilders" and second-home buyers. I do though, rather like to eat.
I don't think anyone is seriously calling for a cull (just let the herds dwindle normally) but it seems the whole anti-cattle thing came from a poor-quality report to the UN that looked at cattle-farming only in areas of the USA not really suited to the animals, so needing considerable quantities of extra feed-stuffs.
They did not consider countries and regions where animals can be farmed sustainably. A lot of British farmers are now doing that by turning to what is rather pretentiously called "Regenerative Farming". Actually it is reverting to what had been the practice since the 18C, of carefully-managed crops, fallow and animal rotations.
An increasing number of farms are also using slurry-digesters to ferment manure to produce methane that can be used as heating or engine fuel, and fertiliser.
Besides, in the right conditions, all decaying or fermenting, dead vegetable matter, in the ground or inside any animal including we humans, evolves both methane and carbon-dioxide naturally.
I should add I have no connection to agriculture but my leisure interests do take me into the countryside so I make a point of trying to understand the industry, I am not a rabid vegan (if that's not self-contradictory) nor one of the abandon-the-countryside "re-wilders" and second-home buyers. I do though, rather like to eat.

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Mmm such anger from the climate-change deniers on this thread 😁
ElwoodBlues · M
@revenant ] I am a DATA supremacist and I make no bones about it.
We propose continuing our reduction in human generated green house gasses, chiefly CO2 and methane.
how do you propose going to war against the sun
Nice straw man fallacy.We propose continuing our reduction in human generated green house gasses, chiefly CO2 and methane.
But you have zero right to impose your feelings and thoughts on others without consent.
Is that how you characterize the making and posting of statements on a public forum? Talking is the same as "impos[ing] your feelings and thoughts on others"?? There's a name for your attitude here and it involves ice crystals with six pointed rotational symmetry!!
revenant · F
@ElwoodBlues who pays scientists ?
ElwoodBlues · M
@revenant depends on the scientist. Oil companies hire a fair number; so do plastics companies and chemical companies. That's why it's interesting to see what professional organizations of scientists say.
Fact is, anthropogenic global warming is accepted by a YUGE segment of the scientific community. Would you accept the consensus opinion of the American Physical Society AND the American Chemical Society? How about the American Association for the Advancement of Science, and at least 15 other national organizations of publishing scientists? See https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
Fact is, anthropogenic global warming is accepted by a YUGE segment of the scientific community. Would you accept the consensus opinion of the American Physical Society AND the American Chemical Society? How about the American Association for the Advancement of Science, and at least 15 other national organizations of publishing scientists? See https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
ididntknow · 51-55, M
How much methane was released into the atmosphere when AMERICA blew up the Nordstream pipelines, and yes, all the evidence does point to that, not a couple of Ukrainians in a pleasure boat turning up and doing the job, blowing up a pipeline in deep water is a specialised job, Biden, Nuland, Blinken, all said they would stop the gas somehow,
Adstar · 56-60, M
Nope.. But it will bring about food shortages quicker..

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@revenant What's going on with the Dutch farmers is irrelevant.
revenant · F
@SW-User good lord

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@revenant Exactly. You realise you agree. The Dutch farmers are completely irrelevant.
Sleepysheep · 26-30, M
Well to change the climate would take way longer than any of us will exist.
We are in a sphere around the sun known as the (habitable Zone) where it’s perfect distance from the sun to sustain life.
Things like emission, digging, mining, tunnelling etc, has thrown off the balance of how our earth rotates. Our earth spinning off balance and will once day be SCORCHED by the sun making earth a lava planet.
Science is advancing in space travel and exploration because it would be easier to move to and repopulate another planet than fix the one we have now.
I try to do my part to help the environment but me not littering isn’t gonna contend an oil factory spewing out smog nonstop.
We are in a sphere around the sun known as the (habitable Zone) where it’s perfect distance from the sun to sustain life.
Things like emission, digging, mining, tunnelling etc, has thrown off the balance of how our earth rotates. Our earth spinning off balance and will once day be SCORCHED by the sun making earth a lava planet.
Science is advancing in space travel and exploration because it would be easier to move to and repopulate another planet than fix the one we have now.
I try to do my part to help the environment but me not littering isn’t gonna contend an oil factory spewing out smog nonstop.
Sleepysheep · 26-30, M
@BlueGreenGrey wow learn to read, I said it’s easier to repopulate another planet than fix ours not SHIP EVERYONE THERE!
Send a group of people to a sustainable planet and let them populate!
Just WOW not only are you ignorant but your pretentious as well. 🤣😂
I’m not pretending anything we are advancing telescopes to see through the gasses of space to find planets in habitable zones.
I’m not even into space I was just jarring but you lack of knowledge is frightening.
Don’t put words in my mouth and make claims on my behalf, why does my opinion got you so ANGRY right now?
Send a group of people to a sustainable planet and let them populate!
Just WOW not only are you ignorant but your pretentious as well. 🤣😂
I’m not pretending anything we are advancing telescopes to see through the gasses of space to find planets in habitable zones.
I’m not even into space I was just jarring but you lack of knowledge is frightening.
Don’t put words in my mouth and make claims on my behalf, why does my opinion got you so ANGRY right now?
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Sleepysheep · 26-30, M
@BlueGreenGrey lol I have more than audacity I have the ability to annoying you. 😂
I’ll be honest I’m not even really reading your messages to say skimming them would be putting it gently.
Like why are your so triggered of my opinion? You don’t have to be a space expert when they announce GLOBALLY that the James Webb telescope is being launched by America.
I have more than audacity I got a nice big red HAIR SET OF NUTS to stand by what I say and not back down to your thought policing. 🤣
Don’t worry my SHORT, LITTLE, TINY, WEE, ANGRY, PETITE FRIEND! One day you will marry a fellow garden gnome JUST LIKE YOU!
If she doesn’t change your unlikable personality maybe you can find one as repulsive as you in the meadow Short Stop! 🤣😂
I’ll be honest I’m not even really reading your messages to say skimming them would be putting it gently.
Like why are your so triggered of my opinion? You don’t have to be a space expert when they announce GLOBALLY that the James Webb telescope is being launched by America.
I have more than audacity I got a nice big red HAIR SET OF NUTS to stand by what I say and not back down to your thought policing. 🤣
Don’t worry my SHORT, LITTLE, TINY, WEE, ANGRY, PETITE FRIEND! One day you will marry a fellow garden gnome JUST LIKE YOU!
If she doesn’t change your unlikable personality maybe you can find one as repulsive as you in the meadow Short Stop! 🤣😂
ElwoodBlues · M
@revenant says
You're saying CO2 and temperature haven't really increased? You're saying the worldwide data is all faked? Based on what?
You're saying the US didn't experience 550,000 excess deaths during 2020? You're saying all the death certificates are faked? Based on what?
your 10 pages of facts are wrong just like Covid
Upon what evidence are these opinion of yours based? You're saying CO2 and temperature haven't really increased? You're saying the worldwide data is all faked? Based on what?
You're saying the US didn't experience 550,000 excess deaths during 2020? You're saying all the death certificates are faked? Based on what?
Yeah, and "they" also believe that operating the constant hot water supplied heater in a gasoline powered vehicle will adversely affect the mileage and range. 😂

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@revenant still cheaper to drive your ev.
revenant · F
@SW-User I only have my legs idiot !
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Longpatrol · 31-35, M
I think it's too late to stop it, our time was 20 years ago. Now we all just have to die getting wither frozen or fried.
Eh humanity deserves it.
Eh humanity deserves it.

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@revenant from the cows. But they don't pump them full of shit.
revenant · F
@SW-User I would rather think they do not buy into this western total madness.

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@revenant You would like to think so. But you're wrong. Goodbye, climate-change denier.
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KiwiBird · 36-40, F
@bookerdana Hardly any methane is produced via bovine flatulence.....it is belching that causes 90% of this. I can't believe how ignorant people are on this subject.
revenant · F
@bookerdana https://www.dairyglobal.net/world-of-dairy/country-focus/irish-gov-suggests-culling-65000-cows-yearly-due-to-emissions/
KiwiBird · 36-40, F
Culled cows are used for hamburger production and will lead to obesity. Meanwhile the third world crying out for powdered milk and baby formula will suffer. Be careful what you wish for.

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No but they want the sheeple to believe it! 📺
Many will though!!! They must laugh at us, believing any bullshit they push our way.
Then charge us more and take away from us.
No hope for humanity if they fall for this . 🙄
Many will though!!! They must laugh at us, believing any bullshit they push our way.
Then charge us more and take away from us.
No hope for humanity if they fall for this . 🙄

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@revenant
💯 they have no idea what’s coming!!
💯 they have no idea what’s coming!!
revenant · F
@SW-User hell. They want hell. They are fed on Starstrek and humanity will have to move to..Mars ? they have their own religion but they are not able to see it.

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WillaKissing · 56-60, M
Flipping Idiots! Hell cull the idiots and that I am all for.
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WillaKissing · 56-60, M
@revenant Yes. And thank you, and I would have more to post about it, but it is all underground wiring from then new home to the well house for water service, not really aesthetic. LOL
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@ElwoodBlues
Not even close, you are underselling it by at least an order of magnitude. My 2015 Tesla Model S has already done 125 000 miles and it looks like it should easily do the same again. It's on its second battery, replaced a month ago.
A typical cell has 0.6 g of lithium (not lithium carbonate). A Tesla car battery has about 7 000 cells so, about 4.2 kg of lithium. So about 10 lb per 150 000 miles, assuming that the new battery only lasts as long as the old one.
https://www.researchgate.net/post/What_is_the_content_of_pure_lithium_eg_kg_kWh_in_Li-ion_batteries_used_in_electric_vehicles
Even if that were true, an electric car uses maybe 1000 lbs of lithium in its 150,000 mile lifetime.
Not even close, you are underselling it by at least an order of magnitude. My 2015 Tesla Model S has already done 125 000 miles and it looks like it should easily do the same again. It's on its second battery, replaced a month ago.
A typical cell has 0.6 g of lithium (not lithium carbonate). A Tesla car battery has about 7 000 cells so, about 4.2 kg of lithium. So about 10 lb per 150 000 miles, assuming that the new battery only lasts as long as the old one.
https://www.researchgate.net/post/What_is_the_content_of_pure_lithium_eg_kg_kWh_in_Li-ion_batteries_used_in_electric_vehicles
BohemianBabe · M
If it's done on a systemic level, why wouldn't it?
BohemianBabe · M
@gol979 That certainly was unhinged, but it was also beside the point.
Ending the systemic breeding of cattle would drastically reduce pollution. I've yet to hear a good argument for not banning meat and dairy.
Ending the systemic breeding of cattle would drastically reduce pollution. I've yet to hear a good argument for not banning meat and dairy.
gol979 · 41-45, M
@BohemianBabe "i want to cull millions of cattle. All living things are killing us. What!!!! You are proposing a different method rather than culling and banning.......you are unhinged"
Ive just given you an alternative but it doesnt involve mass culling and controlling changes to human society. Older/forgotten ways to tend the land and rear cattle....but you will not entertain that idea
Ive just given you an alternative but it doesnt involve mass culling and controlling changes to human society. Older/forgotten ways to tend the land and rear cattle....but you will not entertain that idea
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carpediem · 61-69, M
No. Cull the politicians. THAT will help every aspect of society.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
I love how the thinking is "Let's start with animals before we have to aggravate business by telling them you can't make aerosols anymore.
Idiot thinking
Idiot thinking
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ElwoodBlues · M
@revenant says
Those climate deniers aren't just ignorant, they are satanic. EVIL. They want half of humanity to die in floods and high intensity storms and famines. Climate deniers want to kill most of us so they can control the rest of us. It's the only rational explanation for their continued efforts to raise the levels of greenhouse gasses. EVIL.
@WillaKissing
The real agenda behind is to kill people so they can be free to rule the world.
and I was never really religious but those people are just satanic. EVIL. They want a world of slaves stuck to their phones.......all for your " own good " of course.
Those climate deniers aren't just ignorant, they are satanic. EVIL. They want half of humanity to die in floods and high intensity storms and famines. Climate deniers want to kill most of us so they can control the rest of us. It's the only rational explanation for their continued efforts to raise the levels of greenhouse gasses. EVIL.
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gol979 · 41-45, M
@ElwoodBlues "the non-believers are evil. The weather gods demand their sacrifice upon the co2 alter. Im the arch priest of c!imate change and see my gospel is true with a graph. Grab me my green lithium and cobalt battery powered sacrificial dagger and a heathen sack of carbon (human) and lets see if we can get him to repent"
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Majorlatency · M
It's all a con job.
Unquestioned · 70-79, M
Damn it, after reading all the answers and comments, I'm hanging for a thick as hell medium rare beef steak. And all I've got in the fridge is lamb chops. I'm gonna have to go shopping tomorrow, before they kill all the cows.
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Unquestioned · 70-79, M
@BlueGreenGrey I give a fuck, I just say these those things in jest. Normally after I've had few drinks. I'm just not into putting ''lol'' after every answer.
Sleepysheep · 26-30, M
@BlueGreenGrey lol your displaying your SHORT MAN SYNDROME HARD! 🤣
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Sleepysheep · 26-30, M
@BlueGreenGrey lol your a coward, you know you wouldn’t be speaking to an elder like that in public.
You know for a FACT you would get DRILLED INTO THE GROUND! 🤣
You feel tough speaking to elders like that? How small is your rig to be CHALLENGING a senior!
Nobody thinks your unique, interesting, or quirky, you’re and over opinionated spoiled little GOOF running your mouth to people you know you ain’t gonna ever meet.🐀
You know for a FACT you would get DRILLED INTO THE GROUND! 🤣
You feel tough speaking to elders like that? How small is your rig to be CHALLENGING a senior!
Nobody thinks your unique, interesting, or quirky, you’re and over opinionated spoiled little GOOF running your mouth to people you know you ain’t gonna ever meet.🐀
carpediem · 61-69, M
@Sleepysheep You just defined a coward. And he/she is certainly that. Thanks
Sleepysheep · 26-30, M
@carpediem Anytime my friend, it takes a real SCUMWAD to act like that person!
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@BlueGreenGrey In general it isn't, but sadly there are fanatics who make it very dangerous.

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@revenant The sun affects climate over hundreds of thousands of years, not mere decades. You know this. Goodbye, climate-change denier.
revenant · F
@NativePortlander1970 the hypocrisy of it all is just astonishing
carpediem · 61-69, M
@revenant Absolutely. Where I am currently sitting was once a mile thick glacier. That was only 12,000 years ago. A mere speck on the lifespan of the planet. The planet has a changing climate, always has. Some people will believe anything. In the late 70's we were told to bundle up because another ice age was on the way. LOL
@carpediem I remember that rumor.