Why do Christians conflate these two characters?
Satan and the serpent from Genesis. They are clearly different characters. Why do so many Christians conflate the two?
Adstar · 56-60, M
Because The Book of revelations makes it clear that they are one and the same..
(Revelation 12:9) "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."
So this verse makes it clear to all Christians that the Serpent from genisis is Satan, the devil.. It also identifies the great dragon to be satan also..
(Revelation 12:9) "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."
So this verse makes it clear to all Christians that the Serpent from genisis is Satan, the devil.. It also identifies the great dragon to be satan also..
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@Adstar No. The account of Job, tells us that Satan returned to God to talk about Job. Revelation says that in the end, Satan shall eventually be bound and chained in Hell, along with all who worship and follow him, including the fallen angels.
Adstar · 56-60, M
@ReflectionsInTime Yep you got it Job was AFTER Adam and Eve,,, and satan CLEARLY had Access to Heaven Long After His sabotage effort in the Garden of Eden... So that totally shoots down the traditions of men doctrine that satan was kicked out of heaven before Adam and Eve where deceived..
Satan had been traveling between heaven and earth all that time...
(Job 1:6-7) "¶ Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. {7} And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it."
The final war in heaven where Micheal and His angels will defeat and evict Satan and his angels will happen just before the return of the LORD Jesus Christ..
You got that one wrong too... Satan shall be bound in chains and cast into the BOTTOMLESS PIT for 1000 years when Jesus second coming happens and the army of the beast is destroyed and the beast and the false prophet are cast into the eternal Lake of fire.. The Bottomless pit is not Hell.. The bottomless pit is not the Lake of Fire.. It is the Bottomless pit..
1000Years later satan will be released from the bottomless pit and go out into the world to deceive the nations Gog and Magog and will lead them to Jerusalem and will be consumed by fire from heaven..
(Revelation 20:7-9) " {7} And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, {8} And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. {9} And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them."
Only after this will satan be cast into the eternal lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet are, having been there in torment for those 1000 years..
(Revelation 20:10) "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."
And that's when the final judgement will happen and people will either be granted eternity with The LORD in the New Jerusalem or be cast into the eternal lake of fire..
Now i know your where taught all these doctrines that do not line up with scriptures.. When i was a kid i was indoctrinated in them as well.. It was only after i read the Bible that i could discern the difference between Biblical Christianity and the doctrines of men.. I strongly suggest that you Read the Bible and pray for The LORD's guidance when you are reading the Bible..
Satan had been traveling between heaven and earth all that time...
(Job 1:6-7) "¶ Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. {7} And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it."
The final war in heaven where Micheal and His angels will defeat and evict Satan and his angels will happen just before the return of the LORD Jesus Christ..
Satan shall eventually be bound and chained in Hell
You got that one wrong too... Satan shall be bound in chains and cast into the BOTTOMLESS PIT for 1000 years when Jesus second coming happens and the army of the beast is destroyed and the beast and the false prophet are cast into the eternal Lake of fire.. The Bottomless pit is not Hell.. The bottomless pit is not the Lake of Fire.. It is the Bottomless pit..
1000Years later satan will be released from the bottomless pit and go out into the world to deceive the nations Gog and Magog and will lead them to Jerusalem and will be consumed by fire from heaven..
(Revelation 20:7-9) " {7} And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, {8} And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. {9} And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them."
Only after this will satan be cast into the eternal lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet are, having been there in torment for those 1000 years..
(Revelation 20:10) "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."
And that's when the final judgement will happen and people will either be granted eternity with The LORD in the New Jerusalem or be cast into the eternal lake of fire..
Now i know your where taught all these doctrines that do not line up with scriptures.. When i was a kid i was indoctrinated in them as well.. It was only after i read the Bible that i could discern the difference between Biblical Christianity and the doctrines of men.. I strongly suggest that you Read the Bible and pray for The LORD's guidance when you are reading the Bible..
@Adstar Please re-read your own statement, where you say: Yep you got it Job was AFTER Adam and Eve,,, and satan CLEARLY had Access to Heaven Long After His sabotage effort in the Garden of Eden... So that totally shoots down the traditions of men doctrine that satan was kicked out of heaven before Adam and Eve where deceived..
Job was clearly AFTER Adam and Eve. Satan was kicked out of heaven BEFORE Adam and Eve... his first two creation so that means that the incident with Job came AFTER Adam and Eve.
Job was clearly AFTER Adam and Eve. Satan was kicked out of heaven BEFORE Adam and Eve... his first two creation so that means that the incident with Job came AFTER Adam and Eve.
The Bible clearly states that the serpent in genesis is a wild animal. The serpent was also cursed to go onto its belly, forever. The dragon in revelation is said to be standing. They can’t be the same character unless you ignore this contradiction.
I’m curious, do you believe that “ha Satan” from the book of Job is also the same character?
I’m curious, do you believe that “ha Satan” from the book of Job is also the same character?
You're speaking of two different accounts here. Satan came to Adam and Eve in the form of a serpent and spoke to them, you'll notice.
Later, since man sinned against God, God told him he would have to find his food and work for his food from the land. And yes the serpent was cursed to crawl on the ground, on his belly.
On your belly you will go, And dust you will eat. All the days of your life. Every time you see a snake slithering and crawling around, it isa sign of the humiliation of Satan. It is a reminder of the divine judgment on him for temptingAdam and Eveinto sin.
Satan can come in many forms. He can come even as an angel of Light the Bible says. There's no contradiction. The dragon in Revelation is Satan. Also in the following account:
Andthe great dragon was cast out, that old serpent called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Rev. 12:9
SDavis · 56-60, F
if life was created discreetly in different kinds why use the word discreetly - there would be no reason for the ERVs to function as they has - not necessarily.
I am no scholar, I can only read and understand fairly everything that is said when it's written simply. One thing that I understand about scripture God did not discreetly create anything. When you read scripture you find that:
God told the Earth to bring forth plants
God told the sea to bring forth living creatures *abundantly*
God told the Earth to bring forth beast and cattle, notice beast came first ( like dinosaurs and such)
God formed man and *placed* him in the garden - man may not have even been created on Earth but from the dust of the earth (meaning elements)
And whatever dysfunctions, mutations, RNA, DNA, genetic traits, chromosomes, etc etc etc God designed it within.
And it seems as if they've all been timed to come out at certain periods in the lifespan of man and the strangest thing is most of them comes from animals. It seems that way yet it is because it's actually man's actions - what men do to release these viruses. This particular one infected primates and was passed down to the generation or as science would say evolution of man. I wonder if it was passed down the same way man contracted the modern day HIV from the primates?
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2018.02039/full
And the retrovirus you spoken of actually helps man in some degrees.
https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/JVI.02299-20#:~:text=Long%20disregarded%20as%20junk%20DNA,directly%20target%20invading%20viral%20pathogens.
I am no scholar, I can only read and understand fairly everything that is said when it's written simply. One thing that I understand about scripture God did not discreetly create anything. When you read scripture you find that:
God told the Earth to bring forth plants
God told the sea to bring forth living creatures *abundantly*
God told the Earth to bring forth beast and cattle, notice beast came first ( like dinosaurs and such)
God formed man and *placed* him in the garden - man may not have even been created on Earth but from the dust of the earth (meaning elements)
And whatever dysfunctions, mutations, RNA, DNA, genetic traits, chromosomes, etc etc etc God designed it within.
And it seems as if they've all been timed to come out at certain periods in the lifespan of man and the strangest thing is most of them comes from animals. It seems that way yet it is because it's actually man's actions - what men do to release these viruses. This particular one infected primates and was passed down to the generation or as science would say evolution of man. I wonder if it was passed down the same way man contracted the modern day HIV from the primates?
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2018.02039/full
And the retrovirus you spoken of actually helps man in some degrees.
https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/JVI.02299-20#:~:text=Long%20disregarded%20as%20junk%20DNA,directly%20target%20invading%20viral%20pathogens.
SDavis · 56-60, F
@LordShadowfire no you - after all your comment was first
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@SDavis Doesn't matter. You were the one who made the positive claim, that God not only exists but called everything into existence. Without evidence to support your claim, I'm going to just dismiss it.
SDavis · 56-60, F
@LordShadowfire please do - my reply was to a positive claim therefore I was not the first one - so please do dismiss it and continue to dismiss it. And when you see him coming from the clouds in the sky bet your scream alien invasion and try to hide.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@ChipmunkErnie I never said one word about the serpent being cursed to go on its belly after Eve tasted the fruit so why are you mentioning that?
Sorry, but that is not what the Bible says in Chapter 3, verse 1 of Genesis. The serpent CAME to Eve, tempting her to eat the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.
Genesis 3:1-7
3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which theLordGod had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves clothes.
it wasn't turned into a snake until AFTER Eve had taken the fruit, given it to Adam
Sorry, but that is not what the Bible says in Chapter 3, verse 1 of Genesis. The serpent CAME to Eve, tempting her to eat the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.
Genesis 3:1-7
3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which theLordGod had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves clothes.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
The Bible said it, not you. And frankly I don't care what some mythical book said about an unidentified "serpent" being cursed to crawling on his belly except it's vaguely intellectually interesting to see how people believe that the story has any reality at all.
SDavis · 56-60, F
@ChipmunkErnie
I completely understand - or the fact that it even had legs to walk _ not to mention it could talk. According to science snakes did have legs at one point. Science calls it evolution / creation calls it curse
https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/20/world/snake-evolution-hindlimbs-scn/index.html
As far as talking - the parrot is a very good conversationalist, with itself - but still has an extremely good human vocabulary and certain whales and dolphins even some primates can mimic the sounds human make.
https://a-z-animals.com/blog/discover-amazing-animals-that-can-talk-like-humans/
I completely understand - or the fact that it even had legs to walk _ not to mention it could talk. According to science snakes did have legs at one point. Science calls it evolution / creation calls it curse
https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/20/world/snake-evolution-hindlimbs-scn/index.html
As far as talking - the parrot is a very good conversationalist, with itself - but still has an extremely good human vocabulary and certain whales and dolphins even some primates can mimic the sounds human make.
https://a-z-animals.com/blog/discover-amazing-animals-that-can-talk-like-humans/
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@Mathers Oh, so we should believe you instead of our own two eyes? Dumbass.
Mathers · 61-69
If we believe you it means shutting off our intelligence @LordShadowfire
SDavis · 56-60, F
Definition of beast __ 2) a contemptible person.
Cattle __ the actual Hebrew word means beast or animal.
Humans _ humans even today are considered as animals, descendants from a form of primate - in the mammal category.
The devil and 1/3 of the Angels had already been cast down from heaven to Earth and God had no respect for him. He was *as* a serpent and as such crawling on his belly means he is lower than low - as low as he can become. Using the terms beast and cattle simply means he is *as* an animal - a long way for him to fall from grace, from the status he had as cherubim that covereth - wise and access to all that God had created.
Why is it that people think that ancient Hebrews should be spoken in the correct English language.
Why is it that people think that ancient Hebrews should have been written perfectly by today's standards _ when a tiny fraction of the Hebrew people were just beginning to learn the craft of writing and reading. _____ That was thousands of years ago, *only a few hundred years ago most people in the world still didn't know how to read and write.* _____ it wasn't until institutions such as schools began to be mandatory for people, that the art of reading and writing became learned.
The ancient Hebrews didn't have a college education like people of today who feel their writing and wording should be done accurately correct.
Cattle __ the actual Hebrew word means beast or animal.
Humans _ humans even today are considered as animals, descendants from a form of primate - in the mammal category.
The devil and 1/3 of the Angels had already been cast down from heaven to Earth and God had no respect for him. He was *as* a serpent and as such crawling on his belly means he is lower than low - as low as he can become. Using the terms beast and cattle simply means he is *as* an animal - a long way for him to fall from grace, from the status he had as cherubim that covereth - wise and access to all that God had created.
Why is it that people think that ancient Hebrews should be spoken in the correct English language.
Why is it that people think that ancient Hebrews should have been written perfectly by today's standards _ when a tiny fraction of the Hebrew people were just beginning to learn the craft of writing and reading. _____ That was thousands of years ago, *only a few hundred years ago most people in the world still didn't know how to read and write.* _____ it wasn't until institutions such as schools began to be mandatory for people, that the art of reading and writing became learned.
The ancient Hebrews didn't have a college education like people of today who feel their writing and wording should be done accurately correct.
PrincessOfHell · F
Yes, the serpent in Genesis chapter 3 was Satan. Satan was either appearing as a serpent, possessing the serpent, or deceiving Adam and Eve into believing that it was the serpent who was talking to them. Serpents / snakes do not possess the ability to speak. Revelation 12:9 and 20:2 both describe Satan as a serpent. "He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years" (Revelation 20:2). "The great dragon was hurled down, that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him"
Anyway whether they are the same character or seperate ones both are symbols of knowledge, freedom and rebellion and deserve praise.
PrincessOfHell · F
@ReflectionsInTime What? Rebellions all over the world throughout history have archieved freedom from oppressive regimes. Through rebellion women have archieved rights oh wait that's probably something you don't like.
@PrincessOfHell Says the "Princess of Hell". I don't worship, praise, nor think Satan deserves praise. Yes, anyone knows war is sometimes necessary to have freedom. But I can't, like you, say rebellion and loss of lives is anything to praise, no matter what side theyre on. War is a sad thing for all.
PrincessOfHell · F
@ReflectionsInTime I wasn't even talking about war. The womens and the civil rights movements were acts of rebellion for example.
@BohoBabe Yes and they teach it now. That is what is said in God's Word.
BohoBabe · M
@ReflectionsInTime But it doesn't say that in Odin's Word.
@BohoBabe Even Satan knows God and His Word are true, but he's not going to heaven and he's not worried about Odin, whom he knows has no power over God.
The serpent in Psalm 91:13 is identified as Satan by Christians: "super aspidem et basiliscum calcabis conculcabis leonem et draconem" in the Latin Vulgate, literally "The asp and the basilisk you will trample under foot; you will tread on the lion and the dragon".
Monolithic ideation. Anything that they didn't like was just thrown into this giant trash pile of other until it gained sentience. So serpents, Satan, Philistines, Babylon, Nero, etc... They all morphed into "The Satan". You see the same thing in modern times with LGBT+, immigrants, POC, etc... They are Satan now.
Ceinwyn · 26-30, F
@ReflectionsInTime More lies from your ambitious little Hebrew fire god.
Of course he would claim to be the creator of all and then say he is the only god. How self serving. What a snake.
Of course he would claim to be the creator of all and then say he is the only god. How self serving. What a snake.
@Ceinwyn Do you struggle with yourself every day like this, because that's an unusual, but expected reply, for someone like you, and especially troubling, given your age. One thing you don't know, is that one day, you will have to explain to God, to his face, why you spoke that way about him. That's one appointment you'll not miss. I hope you don't talk the same to your mom and dad, with that arrogant, disrespectful mouth. Good luck with that attitude and theories about God.
ArcticDave · M
@ReflectionsInTime The Ceinwyn chick told me to tell you there’s no point typing out replies if you’re going to block her before she can read it. There was other things too but I charge for conveying messages of that size.
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Annie13 · F
Maybe to justify their misogynie and partriarchy. Eve was convinced by the snake to eat the apple leading to humanities exile from Eden.
Based on this for example women were executed based on accusations of witchcraft. According to christians It was more likely for them to be in league with Satan.
Even today some crazy fundamentalists believe independant women are demonic and sinnful or some shit.
Based on this for example women were executed based on accusations of witchcraft. According to christians It was more likely for them to be in league with Satan.
Even today some crazy fundamentalists believe independant women are demonic and sinnful or some shit.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
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@Emosaur Followers of Christ who read and know their Bible, believe Satan and the serpent to be the same entity. The Bible is clear on that. Satan can change himself into different entities. The Bible says he can even turn himself into what appears to be an angel of light. And in fact that's how he makes all temptation appear, as good instead of evil, to entice those he wants to tempt, into doing evil.