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Matt85 · 36-40, M
I read an account of a woman who went to Heaven
She said God holds them in his arms on his throne and speaks over them to grow and they grow!
It had a ring of truth.
She said God holds them in his arms on his throne and speaks over them to grow and they grow!
It had a ring of truth.
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Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Pikachu
There is no passage that says that Jesus is God. They claim that "he is the son of God." IOWs, that his teachings mirror God's without deviation.
Jesus is described as being a priest =
Hebrews 2:17 (CEV) = "He had to be one of us, so he could serve God as our merciful and faithful high priest and sacrifice himself for the forgiveness of our sins."
Hebrews 3:1 (CEV) = "My friends, God has chosen you to be his holy people. So think about Jesus, the one we call our apostle and high priest!"
Hebrews 4:14 (CEV) = "We have a great high priest, who has gone into heaven, and he is Jesus the Son of God. This is why we must hold on to what we have said about him."
Hebrews 4:15 (ERV) = "Jesus, our high priest, is able to understand our weaknesses. When Jesus lived on earth, he was tempted in every way. He was tempted in the same ways we are tempted, but he never sinned."
Hebrews 5:5 (NKJV) ="A Priest Forever
So also Christ did not glorify Himself to become High Priest, but it was He who said to Him: “You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.”
Hebrews 5:6 (NKJV) = "As He also says in another place: “You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek”;
Hebrews 5:10 (NJKV) = called by God as High Priest “according to the order of Melchizedek,”
Hebrews 6:20 (NKJV) = "where the forerunner has entered for us, even Jesus, having become High Priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek."
Hebrews chapter 7 (MSG) explains the purpose of Jesus being the new and eternal high priest. It's a mouthful so a couple of versions might clarify it =
It continues =
Hebrews 8:1-2 (TLB) = "8 What we are saying is this: Christ, whose priesthood we have just described, is our High Priest and is in heaven at the place of greatest honor next to God himself. 2 He ministers in the temple in heaven, the true place of worship built by the Lord and not by human hands."
You can suffer through the other chapters of Hebrews at your convenience.
This seems to me a dishonest and argumentative response to a clear doctrinal article.
You'll agree and be familiar with the doctrine that in order to achieve forgiveness for sin and be taken into heaven on the day of Judgement, humans must believe that Jesus is god and was the perfect lamb whose blood paid for their sin.
Given that, do you honestly and earnestly think that the meaning of John 3:16 is that people who believe in Jesus will have eternal life but that it will not be in heaven?
If you can honestly answer "yes" to that question, what do you think is meant to be the virtue and benefit of believing in Jesus as described by that passage?
Be honest.
You'll agree and be familiar with the doctrine that in order to achieve forgiveness for sin and be taken into heaven on the day of Judgement, humans must believe that Jesus is god and was the perfect lamb whose blood paid for their sin.
Given that, do you honestly and earnestly think that the meaning of John 3:16 is that people who believe in Jesus will have eternal life but that it will not be in heaven?
If you can honestly answer "yes" to that question, what do you think is meant to be the virtue and benefit of believing in Jesus as described by that passage?
Be honest.
There is no passage that says that Jesus is God. They claim that "he is the son of God." IOWs, that his teachings mirror God's without deviation.
Jesus is described as being a priest =
Hebrews 2:17 (CEV) = "He had to be one of us, so he could serve God as our merciful and faithful high priest and sacrifice himself for the forgiveness of our sins."
Hebrews 3:1 (CEV) = "My friends, God has chosen you to be his holy people. So think about Jesus, the one we call our apostle and high priest!"
Hebrews 4:14 (CEV) = "We have a great high priest, who has gone into heaven, and he is Jesus the Son of God. This is why we must hold on to what we have said about him."
Hebrews 4:15 (ERV) = "Jesus, our high priest, is able to understand our weaknesses. When Jesus lived on earth, he was tempted in every way. He was tempted in the same ways we are tempted, but he never sinned."
Hebrews 5:5 (NKJV) ="A Priest Forever
So also Christ did not glorify Himself to become High Priest, but it was He who said to Him: “You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.”
Hebrews 5:6 (NKJV) = "As He also says in another place: “You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek”;
Hebrews 5:10 (NJKV) = called by God as High Priest “according to the order of Melchizedek,”
Hebrews 6:20 (NKJV) = "where the forerunner has entered for us, even Jesus, having become High Priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek."
Hebrews chapter 7 (MSG) explains the purpose of Jesus being the new and eternal high priest. It's a mouthful so a couple of versions might clarify it =
It continues =
Hebrews 8:1-2 (TLB) = "8 What we are saying is this: Christ, whose priesthood we have just described, is our High Priest and is in heaven at the place of greatest honor next to God himself. 2 He ministers in the temple in heaven, the true place of worship built by the Lord and not by human hands."
You can suffer through the other chapters of Hebrews at your convenience.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Pikachu
Remember, the Jews practiced the baptism rite before Christians adopted it. The Christians changed the focus.
The bottom line is that if a person believes in the Bible and in the Jewish God and in the Jewish high priest Jesus, the person should simply convert to Judaism instead of being a heretic Christian.
Do you have anything to add?
Remember, the Jews practiced the baptism rite before Christians adopted it. The Christians changed the focus.
The bottom line is that if a person believes in the Bible and in the Jewish God and in the Jewish high priest Jesus, the person should simply convert to Judaism instead of being a heretic Christian.
@Diotrephes
Ok.
I'll hope you remember this conversation before you repeat the claim that the Bible doesn't give recourse for women and children to enter heaven.
Ok.
I'll hope you remember this conversation before you repeat the claim that the Bible doesn't give recourse for women and children to enter heaven.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Pikachu
As I've said before. there are no verses that say that children will enter the golden cube.
The passage about women getting baptized deals with the Jewish ritual for converts. Remember how Jesus got baptized? Paul continued the ritual as part of Christianity but dropped the circumcision ritual, which illustrates the Tenth Commandment =
Exodus 34:26 (ERV) = “Never cook a young goat in its mother’s milk.”
Exodus 34:26 has two sentences. The first one is the Ninth Commandment.
So, although they dropped one ritual for the Tenth Commandment, they kept countless others but people stopped following them.
Ok.
I'll hope you remember this conversation before you repeat the claim that the Bible doesn't give recourse for women and children to enter heaven.
I'll hope you remember this conversation before you repeat the claim that the Bible doesn't give recourse for women and children to enter heaven.
As I've said before. there are no verses that say that children will enter the golden cube.
The passage about women getting baptized deals with the Jewish ritual for converts. Remember how Jesus got baptized? Paul continued the ritual as part of Christianity but dropped the circumcision ritual, which illustrates the Tenth Commandment =
Exodus 34:26 (ERV) = “Never cook a young goat in its mother’s milk.”
Exodus 34:26 has two sentences. The first one is the Ninth Commandment.
So, although they dropped one ritual for the Tenth Commandment, they kept countless others but people stopped following them.
BlueVeins · 22-25
No, they go in my stomach. 💝
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Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@TexasDude
You are so wrong it's pathetic. The Ten Commandments story is the easiest in th Bible to understand because it is laid out in a linear sequential fashion. You don't understand it because you have never actually read the fairytale.
You can easily educate yourself if you are so inclined. All you need to do is get a pen and a notebook. To be considered the Ten Commandments the must be written on two stone tablets and called the Ten Commandments. Otherwise, they are just verbal commandments.
Start with Exodus chapter 19, which just sets the stage for what follows. As you read summarize every few verses in your own words.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus19-34&version=WYC
When you get to Exodus chapter 20 you will encounter the fake Ten Commandments. You will see that there are more than ten and that they were all verbal, not written on the tone tablets or called the Ten Commandments.
You will see that Moses relayed them verbally, along with countless other verbal commandments. He went up and down the mountin like a goat and he and his buddies had a picnic with God. You will get to Exodus 31:18 before the Ten Commandments written on stone tablets are mentioned.
The Israelites couldn't go ten minutes without worshiping something so they had Aaron, Moses' brother, make them a golden calf idol (a religious symbol from Egypt). The people got raucous and God and moses heard the celebration. God wanted to go on one of his killing sprees but Moses told him to chill and that he wanted to do it. So, Moses lugs the two stone tablets down the mountain, flies into a rage, breaks the stone tablets, and gets his goons to kill about three thousand men (they didn't count the women and children victims).
In chapter 33 God and Moses kiss and makeup.
In chapter 34, God tells Moses to chip out a new set of stone tablets and to lug them up the mountain for rewrite. This is where you will find the real Ten Commandments written on stone tablets and called the Ten Commandments.
Exodus 34:10 explains the biblcal miracles, which is why there re none today.
The REAL Ten Commandments are Exodus 34:11-26. They are highly ethnocentric which is why people like the bland ones found in Exodus chapter 20 and Deuteronomy chapter 5.
Pay attention to Exodus 34:28 (WYC) ="28 Therefore Moses was there with the Lord by forty days and forty nights, and he ate not bread, and drank not water; and he wrote in [the] tables the ten words of the bond of peace. (And so Moses was there with the Lord for forty days and forty nights, and he ate no bread, and drank no water; and he wrote on the tablets the Ten Commandments of the covenant.)"
It is important to know what the REAL Ten Commandments are because all of the stories in the Old and New Testaments illustrate one or more of them.
And remember, the complete Bible includes the fourteen books known as the Apocrypha which the Protestants deleted in the 1881 revision. https://rockingodshouse.com/why-were-14-books-apocrypha-removed-from-the-bible-in-1881/
So, if you are so inclined to educate yourself, read those chapters, take notes for your review, and when you are finished you will have improved your knowledge without any hassle or arguments. Please let us know what your results are.
I don't know what you're talking about. It's all right there in Exodus 20: 1-17. Those are the Ten Commandments
You are so wrong it's pathetic. The Ten Commandments story is the easiest in th Bible to understand because it is laid out in a linear sequential fashion. You don't understand it because you have never actually read the fairytale.
You can easily educate yourself if you are so inclined. All you need to do is get a pen and a notebook. To be considered the Ten Commandments the must be written on two stone tablets and called the Ten Commandments. Otherwise, they are just verbal commandments.
Start with Exodus chapter 19, which just sets the stage for what follows. As you read summarize every few verses in your own words.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus19-34&version=WYC
When you get to Exodus chapter 20 you will encounter the fake Ten Commandments. You will see that there are more than ten and that they were all verbal, not written on the tone tablets or called the Ten Commandments.
You will see that Moses relayed them verbally, along with countless other verbal commandments. He went up and down the mountin like a goat and he and his buddies had a picnic with God. You will get to Exodus 31:18 before the Ten Commandments written on stone tablets are mentioned.
The Israelites couldn't go ten minutes without worshiping something so they had Aaron, Moses' brother, make them a golden calf idol (a religious symbol from Egypt). The people got raucous and God and moses heard the celebration. God wanted to go on one of his killing sprees but Moses told him to chill and that he wanted to do it. So, Moses lugs the two stone tablets down the mountain, flies into a rage, breaks the stone tablets, and gets his goons to kill about three thousand men (they didn't count the women and children victims).
In chapter 33 God and Moses kiss and makeup.
In chapter 34, God tells Moses to chip out a new set of stone tablets and to lug them up the mountain for rewrite. This is where you will find the real Ten Commandments written on stone tablets and called the Ten Commandments.
Exodus 34:10 explains the biblcal miracles, which is why there re none today.
The REAL Ten Commandments are Exodus 34:11-26. They are highly ethnocentric which is why people like the bland ones found in Exodus chapter 20 and Deuteronomy chapter 5.
Pay attention to Exodus 34:28 (WYC) ="28 Therefore Moses was there with the Lord by forty days and forty nights, and he ate not bread, and drank not water; and he wrote in [the] tables the ten words of the bond of peace. (And so Moses was there with the Lord for forty days and forty nights, and he ate no bread, and drank no water; and he wrote on the tablets the Ten Commandments of the covenant.)"
It is important to know what the REAL Ten Commandments are because all of the stories in the Old and New Testaments illustrate one or more of them.
And remember, the complete Bible includes the fourteen books known as the Apocrypha which the Protestants deleted in the 1881 revision. https://rockingodshouse.com/why-were-14-books-apocrypha-removed-from-the-bible-in-1881/
So, if you are so inclined to educate yourself, read those chapters, take notes for your review, and when you are finished you will have improved your knowledge without any hassle or arguments. Please let us know what your results are.
TexasDude · 31-35, M
@Diotrephes I'm half convinced you are just trolling me.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@TexasDude
If you like I can share what I have learned over the years. You can then research it on your own. There's no need to get upset. If you don't like my opinions then simply block me. But if you are open to learning then continue the discussion. It is up to you.
I'm half convinced you are just trolling me.
I'm just offering you suggestions on how to increase your biblical knowledge. All you have to do is to read it at your convenience, summarize what you have read in your own words, and when you have finished those chapters explain to yourself what you have read. If you like I can share what I have learned over the years. You can then research it on your own. There's no need to get upset. If you don't like my opinions then simply block me. But if you are open to learning then continue the discussion. It is up to you.
TexasDude · 31-35, M
I see no reason why not. If anyone is under the Age of Accountability, they are. It makes perfect sense that God takes these poor babies home to be with Him
TexasDude · 31-35, M
@Diotrephes Or perhaps He has perspectives we can't see or fathom. His wisdom and knowledge is infinite and perfect, unlike ours
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@TexasDude
Such a scenario makes sense if you are the only real person alive and everything else is fake. In that case you, as the sole real person, are being exposed to all kinds of events to see how you react and if you do anything to make things better. It would be the ultimate mind game but completely feasible for an all-power God to do.
Or perhaps He has perspectives we can't see or fathom. His wisdom and knowledge is infinite and perfect, unlike ours
Such a scenario makes sense if you are the only real person alive and everything else is fake. In that case you, as the sole real person, are being exposed to all kinds of events to see how you react and if you do anything to make things better. It would be the ultimate mind game but completely feasible for an all-power God to do.
TexasDude · 31-35, M
@Diotrephes Said the finite, flawed human.
pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M
According to the writings of the sages in Judaism a fetus does NOT have the status of a born person, it is potential life not actual life, it has value but not the same value as a born baby.. So does it have a soul? Partially perhaps certainly not fully.. The equation of a fetus with a born infant is unsupported in religious law and thought.. Children who perish before attaining legal status (12 for girls, 13 for boys) are relegated to the perimeter in a Jewish cemetery...
Carazaa · F
@pdqsailor1 Very interesting. Do all Jewish people believe this, like religious orthodox Jews too? And is there any Writings from God to support this?
pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M
@Carazaa Orthodox discourse on Talmudic teachings
Panamared · 70-79, M
way back when i was a regular in church, we were taught that all children that died before they came of age of knowledge, meaning to understand what it is to accept God, had a free ticket to heaven
JSul3 · 70-79
According to the bible, nobody goes to heaven or hell until Jesus returns....so stop with the false narrative that after death you go to heaven or hell.
Since nothing in the bible can be proven, the real truth is: Nobody knows.
Since nothing in the bible can be proven, the real truth is: Nobody knows.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Pikachu There are no Bible verses that say that women and children go to heaven. If you find one, be sure to post it for our education.
But there are passages in the Koran that say that women and children go to paradise.
But there are passages in the Koran that say that women and children go to paradise.
@Diotrephes
I agree that the Bible is very much written by men, for men and women don't get much air time or consideration.
...But have you had any luck in figuring out why John 3:16 doesn't cover women and children?
It's ok to admit that you were not familiar with the verse. Keeping an open mind is essential to all critical thinkers.
I agree that the Bible is very much written by men, for men and women don't get much air time or consideration.
...But have you had any luck in figuring out why John 3:16 doesn't cover women and children?
It's ok to admit that you were not familiar with the verse. Keeping an open mind is essential to all critical thinkers.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Pikachu
Even completely corrupt and evil people will have eternal life but they won't be able to get into the golden cube. Therefore, women could have eternal life but they won't necessarily be admitted to the golden cube. There is not one verse in the Bible that says that women and children will get into the golden cube. If there is, please cite it for our education.
I agree that the Bible is very much written by men, for men and women don't get much air time or consideration.
...But have you had any luck in figuring out why John 3:16 doesn't cover women and children?
It's ok to admit that you were not familiar with the verse. Keeping an open mind is essential to all critical thinkers.
...But have you had any luck in figuring out why John 3:16 doesn't cover women and children?
It's ok to admit that you were not familiar with the verse. Keeping an open mind is essential to all critical thinkers.
Even completely corrupt and evil people will have eternal life but they won't be able to get into the golden cube. Therefore, women could have eternal life but they won't necessarily be admitted to the golden cube. There is not one verse in the Bible that says that women and children will get into the golden cube. If there is, please cite it for our education.
@Diotrephes
You'll agree and be familiar with the doctrine that in order to achieve forgiveness for sin and be taken into heaven on the day of Judgement, humans must believe that Jesus is god and was the perfect lamb whose blood paid for their sin.
Given that, do you honestly and earnestly think that the meaning of John 3:16 is that people who believe in Jesus will have eternal life but that it will not be in heaven?
If you can honestly answer "yes" to that question, what do you think is meant to be the virtue and benefit of believing in Jesus as described by that passage?
Be honest.
P.s Here's a tip for clarity: When you're quoting a response, hit that " button and put the quote inside it.
Just makes it easier to differentiate👍
Even completely corrupt and evil people will have eternal life but they won't be able to get into the golden cube
This seems to me a dishonest and argumentative response to a clear doctrinal article. You'll agree and be familiar with the doctrine that in order to achieve forgiveness for sin and be taken into heaven on the day of Judgement, humans must believe that Jesus is god and was the perfect lamb whose blood paid for their sin.
Given that, do you honestly and earnestly think that the meaning of John 3:16 is that people who believe in Jesus will have eternal life but that it will not be in heaven?
If you can honestly answer "yes" to that question, what do you think is meant to be the virtue and benefit of believing in Jesus as described by that passage?
Be honest.
P.s Here's a tip for clarity: When you're quoting a response, hit that " button and put the quote inside it.
Just makes it easier to differentiate👍
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
If there is a heaven, what kind of horrible God would send babies or fetuses to hell?
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
@Carazaa Hell is the absence of God. Your interpretation of the Bible is evil in my view and your beliefs are wicked. You may not be evil but the effect of your belief system is. You seem to fixate on hell and retribution; I secretly think you delight in the idea of pain and suffering for people who think differently than you. Very disappointing and sad. I don't think I need to talk to you anymore. I don't like you.
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JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
@JimboSaturn Looks like she deleted her incriminating and hateful responses.
Carazaa · F
I am not sure all babies go to heaven, but some do, I am sure. Especially if parents pray for them.
God saves some and not others.
God saves some and not others.
Muthafukajones · 46-50, M
God alone decides which souls are sent to earth and which ones return to heaven. I don’t believe fetuses suffer… they are called back and return when they are ready to be born.
Muthafukajones · 46-50, M
@Pikachu I think gods perception of time is different than ours. The past present and future are all known to him. Perception like that changes the understanding of many things. I have read that the concept of god is supralogical. That means beyond the comprehension of humanity.
@Muthafukajones
Well yeah, his ways are higher than our ways is right there in the bible.
But do you think god sends souls to earth with the intention that they will be aborted before birth?
Well yeah, his ways are higher than our ways is right there in the bible.
But do you think god sends souls to earth with the intention that they will be aborted before birth?
Muthafukajones · 46-50, M
@Pikachu I don’t know
Magenta · F
I would say no. As it is only the soul that goes on and if they are not born yet, still a fetus, they probably have no soul in them ,yet. They know no sin, they have no conscious, know nothing, so heaven or hell would be non existent for them, me thinks.
Magenta · F
@TexasDude I sort of said why I think that already.
They know no sin, they have no conscious, know nothing, so heaven or hell would be non existent for them, me thinks.
A fetus isn't a viable being that walks around of their own volition with a conscious that can make (bad) decisions or choices. They are still attached within their mother. They can't yet be responsible for anything. Since I believe the soul is what lives on and determines it's place in heaven or hell, it makes sense that we don't have one until birth, when we become an individual human. << That is my thinking process anyway. 🤷🏻
TexasDude · 31-35, M
@Magenta Thank you for explaining bit that still doesn't make sense to me. A newborn hardly makes any more decisions, especially moral ones. And we move, play, cry, sleep, all in the womb so we're the same inside as out. It just makes the most sense for the soul to exist, at least in some form, at conception, when a new human being exists
Starcrossed · 41-45, F
No, for people who believe in heaven generally they only believe the soul goes not the whole body.
I believe in reincarnation and the soul moves on to wait for a new zygote.
I believe in reincarnation and the soul moves on to wait for a new zygote.
Starcrossed · 41-45, F
@Diotrephes and?
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Starcrossed
Are you a Hindu since you believe in at least one thing that they believe in?
Or maybe you believe in Jainism, Buddhism, or Sikhism. If so, maybe you can tell us about it.
and?
Are you a Hindu since you believe in at least one thing that they believe in?
Or maybe you believe in Jainism, Buddhism, or Sikhism. If so, maybe you can tell us about it.
@Starcrossed
I think the Bible tells us that we will have bodies in heaven and that at the time of Jesus' return the faithful will be raised bodily into heaven and the sleeping dead in Christ will rise after the people living at the time of the second coming.
I think the Bible tells us that we will have bodies in heaven and that at the time of Jesus' return the faithful will be raised bodily into heaven and the sleeping dead in Christ will rise after the people living at the time of the second coming.
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Julien · 36-40, M
Nobody goes to heaven
pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M
@Julien Ok so YOUR opinions are meaningless to me..
Julien · 36-40, M
@pdqsailor1 same to you :)
Peaceandnamaste · 26-30, F
@Julien what are your thoughts on native American spirituality? Please don't say anything racist.
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
Technically they've never been baptized and never accepted the word of Christ. So canonically, they go to purgatory with the so called "benevolent heathens".
As much as anyone else goes to heaven, yes.
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TurtlePink · 22-25, F
They should
Yes they sure do god anf the bibe makes it very clear innocent children under age 8 goes to heaven those that committe murder will not be going to heaven after death all your questions about everything in life can be found in the bible and going to church weekly and talking with the bishoo or oastor
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