Do aborted fetuses go to Heaven?

@Matt85

Then should folks not be so upset about abortion?

@Pikachu You make a good point but we shouldn't tempt God, like we shouldn't labour Him. Plus I think no Earthly life, no Earthly lessons and that child never gets to love his or her mother and family. They're thrown away like refuse. It's still very sad. :(

@Matt85

But in heaven none of that matters, right? No sadness, no regret. Just paradise forever. Plus that guarantees their entry into heaven where they might otherwise fall away.

@Pikachu
Remember, the Jews practiced the baptism rite before Christians adopted it. The Christians changed the focus.

The bottom line is that if a person believes in the Bible and in the Jewish God and in the Jewish high priest Jesus, the person should simply convert to Judaism instead of being a heretic Christian.

@Diotrephes

Ok.
I'll hope you remember this conversation before you repeat the claim that the Bible doesn't give recourse for women and children to enter heaven.

@Pikachu
As I've said before. there are no verses that say that children will enter the golden cube.

The passage about women getting baptized deals with the Jewish ritual for converts. Remember how Jesus got baptized? Paul continued the ritual as part of Christianity but dropped the circumcision ritual, which illustrates the Tenth Commandment =
Exodus 34:26 (ERV) = “Never cook a young goat in its mother’s milk.”

Exodus 34:26 has two sentences. The first one is the Ninth Commandment.

So, although they dropped one ritual for the Tenth Commandment, they kept countless others but people stopped following them.

@Diotrephes Or perhaps He has perspectives we can't see or fathom. His wisdom and knowledge is infinite and perfect, unlike ours

@TexasDude
Such a scenario makes sense if you are the only real person alive and everything else is fake. In that case you, as the sole real person, are being exposed to all kinds of events to see how you react and if you do anything to make things better. It would be the ultimate mind game but completely feasible for an all-power God to do.

@Diotrephes Said the finite, flawed human.

@Panamared

I wonder if there's any biblical support for that idea. I know back in the day the Catholics reckoned unbaptized children didn't go to heaven or hell but stayed in purgatory.

@Pikachu you might google it

@Panamared

I might

@Diotrephes

I agree that the Bible is very much written by men, for men and women don't get much air time or consideration.
...But have you had any luck in figuring out why John 3:16 doesn't cover women and children?
It's ok to admit that you were not familiar with the verse. Keeping an open mind is essential to all critical thinkers.

@Pikachu
Even completely corrupt and evil people will have eternal life but they won't be able to get into the golden cube. Therefore, women could have eternal life but they won't necessarily be admitted to the golden cube. There is not one verse in the Bible that says that women and children will get into the golden cube. If there is, please cite it for our education.

@Diotrephes



This seems to me a dishonest and argumentative response to a clear doctrinal article.

You'll agree and be familiar with the doctrine that in order to achieve forgiveness for sin and be taken into heaven on the day of Judgement, humans must believe that Jesus is god and was the perfect lamb whose blood paid for their sin.
Given that, do you honestly and earnestly think that the meaning of John 3:16 is that people who believe in Jesus will have eternal life but that it will not be in heaven?
If you can honestly answer "yes" to that question, what do you think is meant to be the virtue and benefit of believing in Jesus as described by that passage?

Be honest.

P.s Here's a tip for clarity: When you're quoting a response, hit that " button and put the quote inside it.
Just makes it easier to differentiate👍

@Carazaa Prove it's the truth. And no, you can't use the bible as evidence.

@jackieash I know God. He saved me so I know truth. You don't have to believe anything I say but I encourage you to believe Gods word.

@Carazaa If you "knew" god, you'd know you have committed one of the deadly sins just there.

@pdqsailor1 Very interesting. Do all Jewish people believe this, like religious orthodox Jews too? And is there any Writings from God to support this?

@Carazaa Orthodox discourse on Talmudic teachings

@JSul3 Which Bible is that? I read that upon the return, every person that had been damned will stand before a final judgement upon which they will be forgiven and granted entrance into the kingdom of heaven or utterly destroyed. That's in revelations.

@ViciDraco The oft revised and edited white man's version known as the King James edition.

Judgement Day for all....living or dead...begins with the return of Jesus.

@Pikachu I think gods perception of time is different than ours. The past present and future are all known to him. Perception like that changes the understanding of many things. I have read that the concept of god is supralogical. That means beyond the comprehension of humanity.

@Muthafukajones

Well yeah, his ways are higher than our ways is right there in the bible.
But do you think god sends souls to earth with the intention that they will be aborted before birth?

@Pikachu I don’t know

@TexasDude
You are so wrong it's pathetic. The Ten Commandments story is the easiest in th Bible to understand because it is laid out in a linear sequential fashion. You don't understand it because you have never actually read the fairytale.

You can easily educate yourself if you are so inclined. All you need to do is get a pen and a notebook. To be considered the Ten Commandments the must be written on two stone tablets and called the Ten Commandments. Otherwise, they are just verbal commandments.

Start with Exodus chapter 19, which just sets the stage for what follows. As you read summarize every few verses in your own words.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus19-34&version=WYC

When you get to Exodus chapter 20 you will encounter the fake Ten Commandments. You will see that there are more than ten and that they were all verbal, not written on the tone tablets or called the Ten Commandments.

You will see that Moses relayed them verbally, along with countless other verbal commandments. He went up and down the mountin like a goat and he and his buddies had a picnic with God. You will get to Exodus 31:18 before the Ten Commandments written on stone tablets are mentioned.

The Israelites couldn't go ten minutes without worshiping something so they had Aaron, Moses' brother, make them a golden calf idol (a religious symbol from Egypt). The people got raucous and God and moses heard the celebration. God wanted to go on one of his killing sprees but Moses told him to chill and that he wanted to do it. So, Moses lugs the two stone tablets down the mountain, flies into a rage, breaks the stone tablets, and gets his goons to kill about three thousand men (they didn't count the women and children victims).

In chapter 33 God and Moses kiss and makeup.

In chapter 34, God tells Moses to chip out a new set of stone tablets and to lug them up the mountain for rewrite. This is where you will find the real Ten Commandments written on stone tablets and called the Ten Commandments.

Exodus 34:10 explains the biblcal miracles, which is why there re none today.

The REAL Ten Commandments are Exodus 34:11-26. They are highly ethnocentric which is why people like the bland ones found in Exodus chapter 20 and Deuteronomy chapter 5.

Pay attention to Exodus 34:28 (WYC) ="28 Therefore Moses was there with the Lord by forty days and forty nights, and he ate not bread, and drank not water; and he wrote in [the] tables the ten words of the bond of peace. (And so Moses was there with the Lord for forty days and forty nights, and he ate no bread, and drank no water; and he wrote on the tablets the Ten Commandments of the covenant.)"

It is important to know what the REAL Ten Commandments are because all of the stories in the Old and New Testaments illustrate one or more of them.

And remember, the complete Bible includes the fourteen books known as the Apocrypha which the Protestants deleted in the 1881 revision. https://rockingodshouse.com/why-were-14-books-apocrypha-removed-from-the-bible-in-1881/

So, if you are so inclined to educate yourself, read those chapters, take notes for your review, and when you are finished you will have improved your knowledge without any hassle or arguments. Please let us know what your results are.

@Diotrephes I'm half convinced you are just trolling me.

@TexasDude I'm just offering you suggestions on how to increase your biblical knowledge. All you have to do is to read it at your convenience, summarize what you have read in your own words, and when you have finished those chapters explain to yourself what you have read.

If you like I can share what I have learned over the years. You can then research it on your own. There's no need to get upset. If you don't like my opinions then simply block me. But if you are open to learning then continue the discussion. It is up to you.

@Diotrephes and?

@Starcrossed
Are you a Hindu since you believe in at least one thing that they believe in?
Or maybe you believe in Jainism, Buddhism, or Sikhism. If so, maybe you can tell us about it.

@Starcrossed

I think the Bible tells us that we will have bodies in heaven and that at the time of Jesus' return the faithful will be raised bodily into heaven and the sleeping dead in Christ will rise after the people living at the time of the second coming.

@Magenta Why on earth wouldn't there be a soul yet? They're already human after all

@TexasDude I sort of said why I think that already. A fetus isn't a viable being that walks around of their own volition with a conscious that can make (bad) decisions or choices. They are still attached within their mother. They can't yet be responsible for anything. Since I believe the soul is what lives on and determines it's place in heaven or hell, it makes sense that we don't have one until birth, when we become an individual human. << That is my thinking process anyway. 🤷🏻

@Magenta Thank you for explaining bit that still doesn't make sense to me. A newborn hardly makes any more decisions, especially moral ones. And we move, play, cry, sleep, all in the womb so we're the same inside as out. It just makes the most sense for the soul to exist, at least in some form, at conception, when a new human being exists

@sstronaut

lol i suspect that's a "no" then

@Julien Ok so YOUR opinions are meaningless to me..

@pdqsailor1 same to you :)

@Julien what are your thoughts on native American spirituality? Please don't say anything racist.

@Carazaa Hell is the absence of God. Your interpretation of the Bible is evil in my view and your beliefs are wicked. You may not be evil but the effect of your belief system is. You seem to fixate on hell and retribution; I secretly think you delight in the idea of pain and suffering for people who think differently than you. Very disappointing and sad. I don't think I need to talk to you anymore. I don't like you.

@JimboSaturn Looks like she deleted her incriminating and hateful responses.

@ViciDraco

I think that's just a Catholic thing

@Pikachu maybe? Maybe also the LDS - those are the guys who actually baptize dead people to save them.

@ViciDraco

Oh true.