I don't understand Christianity

@redredred

John 12:48
There is a judge for the one who rejects Me and does not receive My words: The word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day.

1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit expressly states that in later times some will abandon the faith to follow deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons,

Hebrews 1:2
But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.

2 Peter 1:20
Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture comes from one's own interpretation.

2 Peter 2:10
Such punishment is specially reserved for those who indulge the corrupt desires of the flesh and despise authority. Bold and self-willed, they are unafraid to slander glorious beings.

Jude 1:18
when they said to you, "In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow after their own ungodly desires."

@ShadowSister 🙏Thank you so much! ❤️

@RubiesandButterflies I admit that as a Christian I fall short.

@hippyjoe1955 I'll consider the source.

@Spunkylama Ditto.

I think the Pew's are uncomfortable so people don't fall asleep.

@Diotrephes And you know this how?

@hippyjoe1955 I will give you the courtesy of only one reply since you have failed to provide links to support your previous claims.

When Moses convinced the people that he and God were best buddies by killing thousands of the local yokels, he forced people to pay ransoms for their first born animals and children and to turn over their best crops to his thugs. He was a master extortionist and con men have been using religion as their cash cow ever since. Read the biblical fairy tale for more details.

BTW, just admit that you were wrong in your initial claims and we can keep talking. Otherwise, bye.

@Diotrephes Moses was not a thug. How dare you lie about him. He was defending the Jews because they were enslaved by the Egyptians and he could have chosen the rich life in Pharao's castle where he was raised but instead chose to help the Jews out of Egypt.

@Ferise1 [quote]thanks that was really clear and interesting![/quote]

According to Revelation 20:11-15 (TLB) = "11 And I saw a great white throne and the one who sat upon it, from whose face the earth and sky fled away, but they found no place to hide.[a] 12 I saw the dead, great and small, standing before God; and The Books were opened, including the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to the things written in The Books, each according to the deeds he had done. 13 The oceans surrendered the bodies buried in them; and the earth and the underworld gave up the dead in them. Each was judged according to his deeds. 14 And Death and Hell were thrown into the Lake of Fire. This is the Second Death—the Lake of Fire. 15 And if anyone’s name was not found recorded in the Book of Life, he was thrown into the Lake of Fire."

Revelation 21:1(TLB) = "21 Then I saw a new earth (with no oceans!) and a new sky, for the present earth and sky had disappeared."

This is where things get screwy because you can be bad but still have eternal life and not get thrown into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:15).

Revelation 21:27 (TLB) = "27 Nothing evil will be permitted in it—no one immoral or dishonest—but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life."

& Revelation 22:15 (CJB) = "Outside are the homosexuals, those involved with the occult and with drugs, the sexually immoral, murderers, idol-worshippers, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood."

So, no one will spend eternity in hell. You can be an evil person and still gain eternal life but you won't be able to enter the golden cube and access the tree of life. If your name isn't written in the book of life you will be tossed into the lake of fire where you will die forever.

That's the way I read it. What about you?

@Carazaa The Ten Commandments. Look it up.

@redredred The Ten Commandments are found in Exodus 34:11-26. The ones in Exodus chapter 20 are just class-A felonies that result in the death penalty if a person violated them.

All of the stories in the Old and New Testaments illustrate one or more of the Ten Commandments listed in Exodus chapter 34. None of the stories are based on the ones listed in Exodus chapter 20.

@redredred
And they wonder why some folks think the "true believers" are a bit nutz? lol

@LadyGrace The bible is much older than 2000 years with the original writings predating Noah's flood. The New Testament is 2000 years old and for 2000 years has shown itself to be a reliable guide in all affairs human. Sadly the same can not be said of the humanists who at the moment can't seem to figure out which bathroom to use and why so many people are killing other people. The New Testament would give them a very good clue but they don't like that answer.

@ShadowWolf Maybe this will aid you?

[b][i]Why Christians Were Denied Access to Their Bible for 1,000 Years[/i][/b]
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/why-christians-were-denied-access-to-their-bible-for-1000-years_b_3303545

[b][i]Did the Catholic Church forbid Bible reading?[/i][/b]
https://www.catholicbridge.com/catholic/did-the-catholic-church-forbid-bible-reading.php

[b][i]Changes in Catholic Attitudes Toward Bible Readings[/i][/b]
https://www.usccb.org/offices/new-american-bible/changes-catholic-attitudes-toward-bible-readings

[b][i]
Why Are Catholics So Deficient in Bible-Reading?[/i][/b]
https://www.ncregister.com/blog/why-are-catholics-so-deficient-in-bible-reading

@ShadowWolf I think you may be thinking of England? The origins of Protestantism are elsewhere

@ShadowWolf The idea that science and faith are somehow separate is a false idea. Science is based on faith. You simply accept what it says because you have faith in it. It can not prove anything it says. We can observe the universe and how it works but when we get to basic facts about it we have to take it on faith.

Come let us reason together.

Option !: There was nothing. Nothing existed for a very very long time. Suddenly for no reason whatsoever nothing exploded and became everything. Some time later bits of everything again for no reason whatsoever got together and made dinosaurs.

Option 2: Over a chaos of potentials the Great I AM spoke into order separating light from dark, Day from night. Void from matter, Wet from dry, Life from non life. Going farther the Great I AM formed plants and animals of every kind on the tiny planet He specially designed to support life. HE then made a special creature that would rule over the earth and all that is in it. This special creature HE gave the ability to know or reject Him. On this tiny little planet circling a nondescript sun on the outer arm or a nondescript galaxy is the metaphorical center of the universe. For only on this planet does the Spirit meet the physical as the I AM's children go to school in the form of humans. Not all humans are His Children, But those He has made known His Name He get the right to be Sons of Yahweh.

One world view is little more that random atoms unknowingly and purposelessly bumping into each other.

The other has the creation partaking in the Creator who lovingly and sacrificially gave of Himself Life and purpose for being.

One holds that mankind is weed on the face of the earth and should be eliminated/ The other holds that Mankind is a special creation that is working its way toward becoming divine.

Having once been a firm believer in option one I came to realize that option one is null and void. Even my loftiest thoughts were of no benefit. As it is written "Let us eat and drink for tomorrow we may die". I came to reject that position. It was completely inconsistent in itself. There simply was too much evidence of a Creator. Thus one evening on the lonely windswept prairie I knelt by a small white rock and met the Lord of the Universe. He gave me a new life and a new existence and suddenly the Bible made perfect sense. It was no longer just a book of funny stories. It was the Holy Scriptures given to me to guide and correct me as I lived my changed life. If you are debating whether to take the Bible literally or not you have no relationship with the One who inspired the Prophets and men of old as they were moved by the Spirit of God.

@specman Why am I considered a beast, ignorant in your sight?

@Diotrephes never mind this is getting us nowhere. We will never change each other’s beliefs. Which I am fine with that. I apologize for calling you ignorant. Our differences is no excuse for me to calling anybody names. It’s late here. I’m tired and going to bed. Nite!

@specman Hey, we are all buddies so what's a little ribbing? It gives me an opportunity to cite Bible verses in response to others' outrageous comments.

BTW, if a person is a believer and cites verses as metaphors, he is opening the door for the whole fairytale to be flushed down the toilet because everything will lose credibility . (Not that is has any so you have to be careful how you play the game or you will inadvertently destroy your own arguments for believing in God and Jesus.)

@LeopoldBloom The Catholic Church says the Old Testament is metaphorical, but the New Testament is literal. Which is still pretty insane, but that's religion.

@LeopoldBloom If a person doesn't take the theme literally, why woud he waste any time believing any of it?

@LeopoldBloom True.

@Theyitis [quote]I still like to think of myself as a Christian. I don’t just take the Bible “literally”, but as I was taught in college, I try to understand it through the “three worlds”: historical, literary, and contemporary. Most of the rest of your issues simply disappear if, like I did, you stop believing in the existence of hell. There’s no particular need to believe in it, the Bible doesn’t say much about it. The contemporary fire and brimstone image of hell originated in Dante’s Inferno. Jesus died on the cross for everyone’s sins. If you have to say a prayer accepting Christ to get to Heaven, then Christ didn’t save you, you saved yourself! So I’m kind of thinking maybe just everyone goes to Heaven when they die.[/quote]

Jesus only cared about the Israelites/Hebrews/Jews. He didn't give a damn about anyone else. Paul is the character that said that Jesus cared about others but there is no dialogue by the Jesus character that says that he does.

According to the fairy tale, when people die they go to one of three places: death; the sea; or hell. All three are temporary and everyone gets out on Judgment Day. Death and hell are tossed into the lake of fire. Just because you spent time in hell it won't stop you from getting getting on the new planet with the giant golden cube called New Jerusalem. You may even be able to get into the golden cube if you haven't done things like being a dog, sorcerer, sexually immoral, murderer, idolater, or a liar (Revelation 22:15 (AMP) = "Outside are the dogs [the godless, the impure, those of low moral character] and the sorcerers [with their intoxicating drugs, and magic arts], and the immoral persons [the perverted, the molesters, and the adulterers], and the murderers, and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying (deception, cheating)."

Or course it says in Revelation 20:12-15 (AMP = "12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the Book of Life; and the dead were judged according to what they had done as written in the books [that is, everything done while on earth]. 13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, and death and Hades (the realm of the dead) surrendered the dead who were in them; and they were judged and sentenced, every one according to their deeds. 14 Then death and Hades [the realm of the dead] were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire [the eternal separation from God]. 15 And if [a]anyone’s name was not found [b]written in the Book of Life, he was hurled into the lake of fire."

Christians keep making the mistake of visualizing the Islamic hell as their hell. In the Islamic version you stay dead until Judgment Day and then you get resurrected. The good guys get their own individual paradises with their harem, two 90-foot-tall translucent women creatures, a herd of cute boys, an eternal erection, and rivers of wine. Most of the people in the Islamic hell are women. Everyone in hell gets tortured for eternity.

Remember, in the biblical version hell gets tossed into the lake of fire. No one spends eternity in the biblical hell. So, know your hells.

@Adstar Last I checked you weren’t the one in charge of the ultimate reality, you have no way of knowing that’s how it is.

The punishment still doesn’t fit the crime. Nobody has ever caused anybody else unlimited suffering and isolation for the rest of eternity, so nobody deserves to have it visited on them, even if they didn’t ask forgiveness for some of their sins.

As I said before, Jesus paid the price on the cross for all of us to get into Heaven. Now you’re going to say that wasn’t good enough unless we pray to accept him as our savior? What if nobody had prayed to accept Christ as their savior? Would he have just died for nothing? If you have to do something, anything, to get into Heaven, then you got in through your own works, not by God’s grace. You could boast about that. Jesus didn’t save you, you saved yourself. But that’s not what the Bible teaches, it teaches that Christ saved us all.

One more thing, you accused me of just telling people what they want to hear. I would counter that more people probably want to hear what you’re saying, and it’s certainly easier for you to believe that. You’re a Christian, so you already know you’re not going to hell, so that doesn’t apply to you, nor probably to anyone you care about a lot. It applies mainly to people who are not like you, many of whom you likely view as your enemies. Hell is primarily used as a tool to try to scare people into converting to Christianity, or to give them comfort that their enemies will suffer in eternity. It’s more controversial then to believe that your enemies will share your reward in Heaven and that fear need not be a motivating factor in one’s decision to convert.

@Theyitis [quote]@Adstar Last I checked you weren’t the one in charge of the ultimate reality, you have no way of knowing that’s how it is.[/quote]

You can decide to accept or reject any message you receive Theyitis.. But don't reject something just because it sounds hard to you and don't accept something because it sounds good to you.. The truth is far more important then feels.. In the end i share information that saves if accepted and destroys if it is rejected.. That's what the Gospel does..

[quote]The punishment still doesn’t fit the crime. [/quote]

And the reward of eternity in Gods perfect eternal existence does not fit any pathetic attempt we make at paying for it in our short faulty lives on earth.. But surprise surprise i don't see universalist shaking their fists at god proclaiming it is unfair for Him to bless/ reward people far too much for far to little effort.. If you preached against Gods blessing as much as you preach against Gods judgement then you may have gained some credibility.. But nope people life you want to embrace all the ""good stuff"" and reject all the hard stuff and treat the World of God like a smorgasbord, only accepting the stuff you like and ""interpreting"" away the stuff that you don't like..

[quote]As I said before, Jesus paid the price on the cross for all of us to get into Heaven. Now you’re going to say that wasn’t good enough unless we pray to accept him as our savior? [/quote]

Don't tell me what i am going to say.. Your talking with me not a projected character of your own imaginary creation.. Yes Jesus paid the price for all the sins of all humanity over all history and Now if offers that payment as a gift to each and ever person INDIVIDUALLY.. The Individual must acknowledge their need for His Atonement and accept it to have it.. A gift cannot be had if the person who it is offered to refuses to accept it.. So Jesus only pays the penalty of the sins of people who accept His Atoning gift..

[quote]What if nobody had prayed to accept Christ as their savior? Would he have just died for nothing?[/quote]

He would have foreknown that nobody would accept that gift and so he would probably never have come down to earth to obtain it.. But He foreknew that those who love the truth would accept it with joy and so He suffered death out of love to save those who love the truth but have no ability to live up to the standards of the truth..

[quote]If you have to do something, anything, to get into Heaven, then you got in through your own works, not by God’s grace.[/quote]

The Bible declares that Faith is not a Works.. I will trust in the Bible definition of what works is and not what some scripture twisting ear tickling deceiver interprets works to be..

(Romans 4:3-8) "For what saith the scripture? [c=4C0073][u]Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness[/u][/c]. {4} Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. {5} [c=4C0073]But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.[/c] {6} Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom [c=7700B2]God imputeth righteousness without works[/c], {7} Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. {8} Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin."

[quote] You’re a Christian, so you already know you’re not going to hell, so that doesn’t apply to you, nor probably to anyone you care about a lot. It applies mainly to people who are not like you, many of whom you likely view as your enemies.[/quote]

More unrighteous projection.. More mud slinging.. You're right i that i am a Christian and as such i believe Jesus when He said that we should LOVE our Enemies.. And i Love those who are enemies towards me by sharing with them the truth that if accepted will see them Redeemed.. So you are a universalist enemy towards Christianity and i am sharing with you the truth that saves and giving you warning that universalism is a false doctrine leading people to the eternal lake of fire.. Now is that a pleasant experience for me?? Nope.. I face denigration and accusations and projecting for people like you every other day.. Sharing the truth is not fun when the truth is hated by people like you so often.. But out of love for the truth and love for my enemy i should walk an extra mile with haters in the hope that a seed of truth might be planted in their conscience and the Holy Spirit will work on them to move them to accept the truth. His will be done..

[quote]Hell is primarily used as a tool to try to scare people into converting to Christianity,[/quote]

Fear is a good thing.. In this world fear of danger makes people avoid danger and keep a keen lookout for sources of danger.. And what does the Bible say about the fear of God??

(Proverbs 9:10) "[c=7700B2]The fear of the LORD is the [u]beginning[/u] of wisdom[/c]: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding."

So fear of God causes people to investigate God, to find out about Gods will, to seek to get right with God.. The fear of God is a great motivator to investigate God to find the Way to be in the right relationship with God, to be good with God.. And what happens when someone accepts the Word of God in it's totality.. They discover the love of God, the Way He made to lovingly save us So a Christian ends up not fearing God at all.. The scriptures declare::

(1 John 4:18-19) "[c=7700B2]There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. [u]He that feareth is not made perfect in love[/u][/c]. {19} We love him, because he first loved us."

As you declared a Christian has no cause for fear of Hell.. But people who have not fully accepted the truth of the love of God still fear hell and the eternal lake of fire.. So what do they do?? they embrace false doctrines like universalism grasping onto the lie that there is no Hell or Lake of Fire.. Why do they need this doctrine?? Because they have not fully believed in the gift of the Atonement of The LORD Jesus..

[quote]Hell is primarily used as a tool to try to scare people into converting to Christianity, or to give them comfort that their enemies will suffer in eternity. It’s more controversial then to believe that your enemies will share your reward in Heaven and that fear need not be a motivating factor in one’s decision to convert.[/quote]

When i converted to Christianity i never did so because of fear of Hell or desire for heaven.. I converted because i loved the message of Jesus and His loving self sacrifice to pay for my sins.. The awesome wisdom in the Way God made to Redeem me.. The solution to my sin problem was exquisite.. I was flabbergasted when i discovered that the one and only awesome God of all existence cared enough for me to suffer the horrendous death He went through on earth.. And i was and still am so unworthy of this perfect love..

@hippyjoe1955 Did I claim somewhere to be perfect? Nope

Why don't you stop while you are ahead?

@Spunkylama Your condescension certainly has that implication.

@Spunkylama
Please.. I have been going to church for over 40 years and read my Bible over 50 years. I have heard a sermon on sexuality maybe 5 times , not enough in my opinion. The church has watered down the gospel to keep people from leaving. They should talk about the consequeses of sin more. Regardless if people like it or not! Who cares if people are turned off by[i] truth.[/i]

God says people do not believe because of their sins. Many churches are focused on feeding the poor, and needy so I haven't seen the kind of church that doesn't.

Did everyone go to hell before Jesus? No God says "The firmament declares his Glory, noone is without excuse" And hell? I am not sure what that entales. I know God says "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, so that whosoever believes in him will not [i]perish,[/i] but have everlasting life." It is definitely a hard life to not be a christian, because God does not hear your prayers. But there is maybe just death after life for the ingodly? We don't know exactly.

We are called to go into all the world and preach the gospel, so that's why I do. God saves, not me.

Am I open to other religions? No absolutely not! I was a big skeptic as a child but God saved me and took me out of darkness to his glorious light. You can read about the miraclesin my 5th post, all that God has done for me. He answers all my prayers, more than I can even imagine! I love Jesus soooo much! My life is good now!

@RubiesandButterflies But if the biblical God is perfect why does he do things that are imperfect? It seems that he wants people to stumble so that he can beat them because they can't function correctly in his imperfect world.

Sometimes imperfect rules are necessary because they are the only thing that will work. Allot had to do with getting the people to respond to him. He couldn't be too harsh because they would make things worse and they May have rebelled all the more. So he did what was necessary to bring them into line with his will. The bible is very complex and I don't have all the answers, no believer does. The bible has been pulled apart and commented on by many different scholars. If you are really interested in knowing more just search for bible commentaries and explanations of the different verses online. It's easy enough to find information.

@RubiesandButterflies [quote] People tend to think God is all about judgement and sending people to hell. But God is also love and compassion. I'm by no means an expert on the bible these are just my thoughts.[/quote]

I just wanted to say that the way you worded your sentences sounds like God is all about judgment and sending people to hell. Because you followed up with the next sentence that suggests that that is true, when you said BUT, God is ALSO love and compassion.

Just wanted to say that God doesn't send anyone to hell and he's all about getting people saved so they can have eternal life in heaven with Him.

@BohemianBoo Oh, please. My brother-in-law is an astronomer who's worked for the U.S. government, Harvard, and taught at Cambridge, and he's a Catholic priest. One of the religious writers whom I enjoy reading is Pierre Teilhard de Chardin. He was a Jesuit priest, a geologist, and a paleontologist. He was a key member of the scientific team that discovered Peking Man. I can go on and on. Read [u]Einstein on Piece[/u]. You can download it on your Kindle.

@BohemianBoo We were all atheists before we were touched by God, and he gave us understanding. At least I was not a Christian but God changed me. The more I follow the Bible, Gods word the more he blesses me.

@LeeInTheNorthWoods None of that has anything to do with what I said, but cool.

@hippyjoe1955 Mhmm. It's truley hard to argue with biology. If someone has the male appendage they are biologically a guy and assigned it at birth. Vice versa for female. Anyone who disregards this as a social construct is blissfully ignorant. Even a sex change operation DOES NOT change the chromosomes from XY to XX or vice versa. Nor does it make a working reproductive organ of the opposite sex.

@ShadowWolf I would say that the sex of a person is set at conception. The sperm determines the genes that decide male or female.

@hippyjoe1955 I agree with this, as this is where the actual chromosomes/genetics get decided.

@SW-User every religion has rules and thinks it's the only true way not just Christianity. It just happens to be the one everyone decides to pick on.

@SW-User Christians are not saying it's [u]their[/u] way, or no way at all. They are saying that [u]Jesus[/u] said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by Me."

@LadyGrace of course they say it, if they didn’t, they would agree with other religions

@redredred Also true spiritual philosophy is about seeking, experiences, perspectives and following your own path, it's about seeking, it's definitely not about believing which is commanded in organized religions.

It's about personal experiences and perspectives not faith or belief.

@redredred Why do you hate nature? What did nature do to you to cause you to hate it?

@Peaceandnamaste I love nature. Why do you engage in unfounded projection?

Glorifying native American culture is just stupid. Like people everywhere native Americans were no more virtuous or innocent than people anywhere. They killed, waged war, raped, stole and enslaved people.

@Ferise1 This is correct! And their God, as mentioned is the same exact God as Christians/Catholics and Muslims. This seems to elude Carazaa due to her limited knowledge of the subject matter, brainwashing, and lack of reasoning.

@val70 Very nice, and so true!

@AuRevoir This just doesn't make sense to me at all.. From my own experiences, I know there is a higher power and an afterlife. But why would 'god' send people to hell for not accepting jesus into their lives. What about kids that die before they get a chance to learn about it? Are they going to hell?

It's an old ass book, its a huge cult, it MAKES NO SENSE

@heyitsemma it’s not a cult.. the teachings of a cult follow a man made heirarchy.. meaning a human person will always be head of that cult and can even dictate your position in life etc and everything that has to do with your existence within that cult..

The Bible is set up to where you have such freedom in its interpretations, that multiple denominations have formed from freedom of thought within interpretation of its words.. No one can take your salvation away from you except for God.. Men can’t condemn you to hell, men can only condemn themselves to hell.. Wheras cults are formed under the leadership of human person claiming to be god like and to obey the whimsical fancies..

Certain leaders of a church can misuse the Bible and become cult like. But as for the actual teachings and methods of the Bible itself it isn’t cult like at all..

And no, children wouldn’t usually go to hell, each person has a different age of accountability where they realize the difference between right and wrong.. same way people go through the changes of puberty at different ages..

If you don’t read it you won’t have any understanding on it..

It’s like you asking questions about quantum physics and expecting someone to make sense of it to you when you don’t even know algebra yet.. you’re not going to get the answers you seem unless you study it for yourself..

Life is about choices, it’s your choice..

Regardless you’ve already shown your rejection of it by claiming it to be a cult.. and calling it an old book.. so out of curiosity, how old do the books about Darwinism and evolution have to get before they’re just “old books” and “cults” too?? Just some food for thought.. Anyways do what you will.. I answered what I felt compelled to answer, but I’ll say no more, and leave you to your peace..

@heyitsemma The New Testament does not say that kids will go to the golden cube or to the lake of fire. It does not mention them.

The Koran does say that kids can go to paradise. The thing is that the women and the cute boys are sex slaves to the guys who have eternal erections. That doesn't look good for the kids.

@Milkcandy Jesus is NOT white, he is Hebrew

They could not discern between Hebrews and Egyptians by looks, so clearly they had dark skin

@th3r0n The 1611 KJV was copied most from the Geneva Bible. And chances are you have never seen or will ever see, an authentic 1611 KJV.

@Diotrephes I like the Geneva Bible also, it’s a favorite

@Spunkylama Get your facts straight. She asked a question and all you could do is dis the Bible. And when I pointed out you had your facts wrong about the Bible, you had no answer, so you pulled the typical, switch the subject to you were "trying to help."

@LadyGrace Stay mad, no skin off my back

@Spunkylama You have mention that you are an ex-Christian. Would it be possible for you to share your reasons of moving away from Christianity please (preferably DM).

@Diotrephes Jesus was not asking them to uproot a tree literally. He was merely saying that even if you have a small amount of faith you can achieve great things. The key here is that faith equals growth.

@RubiesandButterflies The dialogue has the Jesus character saying that people with faith the size of a mustard seed can command a tree to uproot itself and jump into the sea and that the tree will obey. He also said that a person could command a mountain to do the same thing and that it would obey.

And, in Mark 16:17-18 (CEV) he further said ="17 Everyone who believes me will be able to do wonderful things. By using my name they will force out demons, and they will speak new languages. 18 They will handle snakes and will drink poison and not be hurt. They will also heal sick people by placing their hands on them."

So, he made all of those promises and how did things work out for the believers? Did they get the results they were promised or were they lied to?

@Diotrephes I've already explained that these were analogies. Jesus also spoke allot by using parables. Please feel free to find further information online..use a search engine that's what they are there for.

@th3r0n Hate to sound like i am pedantic but the Bible was completed a little under 2000 years ago.. Same with Jesus reasurection.. A little under 2000 years ago.. thumbs up for everything else you said.. 🙂

@Adstar I'm pretty sure they started AD, Anno Domini, year of our Lord, after his resurrection

The Bible doesn't mention it

Are you sure?

@th3r0n You are correct that the year One was not accuratly identified by the monk called Dionysius Exiguus.. Most accounts that are more accurate put the birth date of Jesus closer to 4 BC .. Jesus was executed in the year 30 AD because the account of His execution week lines up with that year.. This fits into the general idea that Jesus started His ministry when he was about 30 years of age and His ministry lasted 3 years..

Here is a web page dealing with the account of the week in question if you want to have a read::

https://moresureword.com/whenres.htm

@Diotrephes I wonder if they don't internalize certain passages and those passages' impact as complex contradictions that ought be ignored

@exchrist Based on my analysis of the biblical fairy tale, it was written as a book by a committee of story tellers, writers, and artists based in England in the 680s-early 690s in response to Uthman's Koran, written by a committee in the late 630s-early 640s.

The writers did an excellent job of basing all of their stories on the real Ten Commandments, found in Exodus 34:11-26. The miracles are based on Exodus 34:10.

Because the Bible did not exist before they wrote it, some of the writers were able to include numerous clues that it was all just a beautiful hoax. They could have been influenced by the native English religion at that time.

They produced three master copies in Latin, each beuatifully illustrated and weighing 75 pounds. One copy still exists. People like to claim that the Bible was written centuries earlier but no one has produced a legitimate copy earlier than the one from the 690s.

Today, with our modern intelligence and technology, we are able to quickly detect the passages that show that it was all an elaborate hoax.

For instance, in Revelation 20 it says that anyone not found written in the book of life gets thrown into the lake of fire. Sounds good, right? After all, aren't evil people supposed to get burned?

But then in Revelation 22 it says that evil people will still exist but that they won't be able to get into the golden cube and eat from the tree of life and drink the water of life. What the heck is up with that? Since evil people will also exist forever there's no need to be good. It's possible to be a lying sexual pervert murderer sorcerer and till have eternal life, you just won't get a bunk in the golden cube.

@Diotrephes [b]Galatians 3:28: “There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free, there is no longer male and female; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus” [/b]
The "fables" God talked about was anything but that!

@Ferise1 the truth problem bothers us all.

@Carazaa I must have missed the biblical passages that say that women will go to heaven. Maybe you can cite one for my information?

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@Diotrephes Intelligent? Son you have more screws loose than a hardware store in an earthquake. Some of the nonsense you spew makes one wonder how long it took your mother to teach you how to breathe.

@Diotrephes Gotcha 👍

@Diotrephes that is implying that we have the power it is not us that have the power it's God. What I mean is that it has to be God's will also for it to happen.

@RubiesandButterflies That's not what Jesus said.

@smileylovesgaming kinda true, but believe is a powerful tool.👍🤗🙏😇