@LeopoldBloom Ethnostates are ok as long as everyone has equal rights. Israel's problem isn't just that it's an ethnostate, it's that it's an apartheid society. If Israel's immigration policy was to only accept Jews, but the minorities had the same rights as Jews, then it wouldn't be an issue.
The problem is that Israel isn't just an ethnostate, it's an ethnostate built on racial supremacy.

@BohemianBabe The West Bank and Gaza aren't part of Israel, they're occupied by Israel, so "apartheid" doesn't apply any more than it applied to Northern Ireland when the UK occupied it.

Non-Jewish minorities in Israel have the same civil rights as Jews. Interestingly, Israeli Arab citizens prefer to live in Israel rather than emigrate to an Arab country where supposedly they would enjoy equal rights.

A real example of apartheid is the treatment of Palestinian refugees in Arab countries, where with the collusion of UNRWA and those governments, they are kept in permanent, multi-generational refugee status, prohibited from becoming citizens of their host countries, leaving their refugee camps, or enjoying the same rights as citizens. The US is one of the few countries that accepts Palestinian refugees and allows them to become citizens. In fact, Rashida Tlaib, a daughter of Palestinian refugees, is a member of the US Congress, and since she was born here, she could run for president if she wanted. The same is not true for Palestinian refugees in MENA.

@LeopoldBloom I like how you never miss an opportunity to spew negativity about Orange .

@dancingtongue A two state solution was achieved when Clinton was POTUS. Arafat
agreed with the aslo accord, the ink had not dried before he continued the attacks on
Israel.

The Pals have proved over and over they DO NOT want a two state solution, they want
the Jews OUT OF ISRAEL. They are NOT NEGOCIATING.

@BohemianBabe He never does answer the inconvenient questions. That is why I have given up asking them.

@CorvusBlackthorne
Lol I love this comment, I can't describe how much ☠️

@AthrillatheHunt
I know, right? What's a little mass murder mixed with a spot o' ethnic cleansing?

The point is that people of every religion do bad things and good things. The religions themself don't matter nearly as much as the material conditions.

@BohemianBabe I remember reading about that in a comic book once yes .

@BohemianBabe Yes, Boo boo, they surrendered after the 2nd bomb.

@DogMan So then they weren't willing to fight to the last person, which was your claim.
Japan's military was pretty much depleted, they were going to surrender anyway. America still could have attacked their military, I think that would have been fair. But bombing two cities just to kill civilians, when the war was pretty much over, is indefensible. We can't say the Allies had the moral high ground against the Axis when both sides were committing all the same war crimes.

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@LeopoldBloom

This comparison fails miserably. Mexico, Ghana and Nepal are not apartheid like states building illegal settlements in occupied territories. Of course, Israel has every right to exist within the pre-1967 boundaries.

@GrinNude OK, I'd agree with that since I oppose the settlements. However, that's not anti-Zionism if you think Israel should exist within those borders.

@HordeCory They were escaping European antisemitism. Yikes.

@Fukfacewillie the war was over. Hurt people hurt people, unfortunately. If you read the early writings, they were very open about how they were emulating colonial powers like the British.

@HordeCory For that to be the case, the land would need to be unoccupied.
I quite agree.

@SatanBurger Even were you to find the documentation to support your statement, I suspect @samueltyler2 would continue to deny it.

@CorvusBlackthorne Exactly which is why I didn't bother, not going to waste that energy. One thing I noticed is that they all say something like Israel has to defend themselves but the main victims are women and children, so how many have to die in order for it to be a suitable revenge in their eyes? That's my question, I mean that's an honest question too, I'm legit wondering.

@CorvusBlackthorne I mean to add to my last comment, is it like 20% that has to die, 40%, maybe 50% I mean what numbers are we thinking here technically?

@HordeCory
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/zionism

@SatanBurger modern zionism is what I am referring to. It can be simultaneously true that Zionism is a response to persecution and a colonialist project. Hurt people hurt people, this perpetuating a cycle of violence. The Palestinians are being punished for something a completely different civilization did thousands of years ago.

@HordeCory I never said it couldn't be both true.

@DogMan moral people such as Elon Musk, Donald Trump, Ted Nugent and Andrew Tate?

@HordeCory No, moral people like Bill Gates and George Soros. I'm only a fan of
Ted's music. And I don't know who Andrew Tate is.

@DogMan doesn't the right also hate Gates and Soros?

@NoGamesTolerated I'll take that as a compliment.

@DogMan yeah.. me too! 👍

I’m not really here to kiss their behinds anyway, like I see ‘so very many’ doing…🤮I generally say exactly what I mean, and when I’m joking I let that be known as well.

@SW-User The anti-Zionist segment of the left wing is small, but noisy.

@SW-User oh it’s true alright!

@akindheart basing government on religion is never a good idea.

@HordeCory Colonialism has created wealth, safety, and prosperity around the world.

Without it people would be starving and suffering around the world, just like the current
countries that were never colonized by anyone. Look at the African hell holes that are
being run by indigenes people, in lieu of European colonists.

@HordeCory Colonized countries are doing far better than countries that were not
colonized.

@samueltyler2 I think Iran and Russia are allies of convenience because of their pariah status, but Russia is pretty tied up in Ukraine.

@helenS i am not so sure.

@Fukfacewillie precisely, and that is why they want less attention drawn to them. Just saying, the coincidence is amazing.

@ChipmunkErnie Israel has excepted Arabs and Palestinian into their country since
the beginning, compare that to how Jews are treated in Arab countries.

@DogMan Well, they "accepted" Arabs -- there were lots of Arabs already there when Israel was formed as a modern nation. They are also rather infamous for the ways Arabs may be treated -- little things like if you're Arab and your teenaged son breaks the law you might find your family home bulldozed, your property taken and used to build Jewish homes, etc. There is guilt on both sides -- the latest reports being IDF soldiers gang raping Palestinian prisoners, a "torture farm" etc., make that obvious. Hate breeds hate, and it just seems to go on and on. But, again, all that has nothing to do with the question posted.

@AthrillatheHunt The kibbutz is Socialist, yes, but is neither leftist, nor new, it has been part of their culture going back thousands of years. I should add that Amish settlements are technically kibbutzes based on the Israeli models of them, and they are far from Leftist.

@NativePortlander1970 regardless of the words they use to describe themselves, people living in kibbutzes are living socialist lives. I should know. I lived on one .
We call ourselves a democracy when we are in fact a republic .

@SatyrService and the right is trying to coop the indignation over antisemitism!

@HoraceGreenley “hate filled ignorance” is exactly right! It’s insanity and demonic hence why it makes no sense.

@MandyMitchell 1. Ethno-state doesn't mean "dominated by one ethnicity", and 2. Leftists don't like Saudi Arabia.

@GlitterEater according to the dictionary definition, that is exactly what an ethno-state is and I have yet to see a Leftist demonstration against Saudi Arabia or, indeed Iran, which causes so much of the terrorist trouble in the world. We do have leftist demonstrations against Israel though -which is far more democratic than either.

@GlitterEater Tell that to Japan and South Korea.

If Palestine gains its independence, it will be an almost 100% Arab ethnostate.

Much of the unrest in sub-Saharan Africa is due to the fact that many countries aren't ethnostates, but are composed of many different ethnic groups, some of which are themselves divided among different countries.

@jshm2 ummm, no, the right believes the Jews have a right to their homeland.

The left wants genocide from the river to the sea.

@DogMan There is an element on the far right (like Nick Fuentes) who don't believe Israel should exist. But you're correct, the mainstream right wing position generally supports Israel.

@DogMan Tell me some truth, and we shall see.

@CorvusBlackthorne Your words-"Wrong again. They were deceived into electing Hamas, who promised to ensure that the Palestinians would have a homeland". Did you know that
Palestine was formed in 1988? The PLO was doing the same things to Israel, as Hamas
is today. Insuring a homeland, means destroying Israel. Why is that so hard for you guys
to understand?

@DogMan Why do you invariably insist on random page breaks when you lie?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict

@HordeCory Do you remember the PLO and Yassar Arafat? He had a two state solution
and got everything he wanted. But after the Aslo accord was signed, he went back to
killing Israelis, because that is all the Pals really wanted.

@DogMan understandable. If someone violently forced you out of your home, would you be willing to play nice?

@DogMan I am certain you will listen to my answers and not become angry. /s
Israel. Many years ago. They were not content merely to occupy the land granted them by the British government in 1948. They coveted the land still known as Palestine.
Both sides are holding hostages.
Hamas does that, because they genuinely do not care about Palestinian civilians, as they pretend to do. But who destroys schools, hospitals, and other civilian areas whilst justifying the destruction? Israel.
A rather poor comparison, as the Mexican military cannot compare to the United States military, but I shall ignore that for the moment.

If Mexico was merely attempting to retrieve their hostages, they could not be blamed for that. But if Mexico then invaded civilian areas of the United States, destroyed schools and hospitals, and murdered anyone attempting to give medical aid to Americans, I would blame Mexico.
Are you?

I take it you have no good answer, which is why you gave none?

@NativePortlander1970 Perhaps one of the Palestinian universities the Israeli government destroyed contained them.

@DogMan Israel started the current war when they forced Palestinians out of their homes.