Why does the left wing hate Zionism?

@MartinII The enemy of my enemy is my friend, I believe.

@MartinII The left has abandoned Marxism, and replaced it by "post-colonialism", that's why. Post-colonialists see Jewish people as "white" oppressors.
It's an deplorable example of regression.

@helenS They would have loved Nasser (who started the 1967 War).

@helenS That explains why they don't like Jewish people, I agree. But it doesn't explain why they like Islamists who, apart from anything else, are extremely right-wing by western standards.

@Fukfacewillie 1967 was the turning point, as fas as I know. The European left was pro-Israel until the six-day war.

@Fukfacewillie But he was left-wing, economically anyway, unlike today's Islamists.

@MartinII Name one prominent Leftist who defends Islamism.

@helenS Which is amazing when you think about it. Some historical revisionism to be sure about 1948-1967.

@MartinII Islamist are seen as "non-whites", so they are allies. Even Iran is an ally. Yes it's a theoretical bankruptcy.

@BohemianBoo Jeremy Corbyn. More to the point, go to London on any Saturday and see tens of thousands of people marching in support of Hamas and carrying Socialist Worker placards.

@BohemianBoo Rally-goers in many Western cities are exhorted to “celebrate the resistance’s success,” to “express their support for the heroic Palestinian resistance,” to “confront the U.S.-led imperialist system, including the EU states, Britain, Canada and all complicit powers to end their crimes against the Palestinian people,” and to “defend the resistance” and “uplift and honour our resistance and martyrs.”

@helenS Yes, we're against genocide. That doesn't mean we support Hamas. We also think the Allies were wrong for targeting civilians in WWII, doesn't mean we agreed with the government of Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan.

I actually think it's pretty insane I even have to explain this.

@helenS Why else cosplay as Arafat?

@MartinII Corben is only the tip of the iceberg of antisemitism in the British Labour Party. 😕

@MartinII Are they supporting Hamas or Palestine?

Jeremy Corbyn isn't a Leftist, but either way, he doesn't support Islamism.

@BohemianBoo Nobody knows where Palestine ends and where Hamas begins.
Remember the honking cars and the masses in the streets in Gaza celebrating the October massacre?

@BohemianBoo I actually think it's bizarre that you should hold those views, but it isn't insane. And, for the fourteenth time, it isn't genocide. Try looking in a dictionary.

@MartinII It's mass murder based on ethnicity in an attempt to eliminate that ethnicity. How is that not a genocide?

It's bizarre that I think killing civilians is wrong? Do you think during WWII, we should have done a genocide against Germans and the Japanese?

@BohemianBoo They are supporting Hamas and opposing Israel. Of course Corbyn is a leftist. What do you think he is, a Tory? And he does support Islamists. He even referred to "our friends in Hamas".

@BohemianBoo Your definition is correct. Therefore, Israel's actions against Hamas in Gaza are not genocide. I think, broadly speaking, the Allies' actions against Germany and Japan were correct.

@MartinII Leftism is democratic and anti-capitalist. Corbyn is very much a Capitalist.


While I wouldn't have used that word, this was taken out of context.

https://www.thejc.com/news/labours-jeremy-corbyn-why-i-called-hamas-our-friends-jag6fwha

Corbyn was basically doing what all good politicians do, he was reaching out to horrible people in order to alleviate suffering. It's like when Bill Clinton went to North Korea to free American prisoners. He had to treat Kim Jong-il like a human being, but whatever, it was worth it.

@MartinII
They're not targeting Hamas, they're targeting civilians. Remember when three shirtless Israelis, one of them holding a white flag, were shot by the IDF? This is how the IDF operates. Anyone believed to be a Palestinian gets killed. That's why the civilian death count has been so high, that's why Israeli politicians are saying there are no innocent Palestinians.

@BohemianBoo Lies.