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Is God dead? [Spirituality & Religion]

Not dead, never was.

Never was, as in never existed.
As long as man is alive, there will be a god.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@hippyjoe1955 No imagination, hippie 🙄

The most obvious [i]logical[/i] alternative to abiogenesis and creation is actually pretty simple - life was always around.

That one has empirical problems, but that’s not a problem for you, because you discount all empirical evidence anyhow.
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@newjaninev2 Methinks there might be a troll lurking around.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Bushranger On this site they’re the rule rather than the exception. 😀
Peaches · F
NO, just because we can't see everything doesn't mean it doesn't exist.✨🌟🎆💫
@Sharon He can’t debate, he’s a coward, and a passive aggressive liar.
Fine Christian qualities. A godly man. 😆
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@wilderflower @Sharon [quote]A godly man.[/quote]

That, I am. I can't debate with two fools who can't come out from under the bed and have courage enough to have a decent conversation with me instead of shaming themselves like they do.
@GodSpeed63 Debate?
You don’t debate! You avoid it by “responding” with quotes from your little book of holy fairy tales. You make baseless accusations. You lie. Yes I said you lie, and unlike you I can prove you make baseless accusations and lie. I’ve already given the evidence on this post but as always you choose to ignore it. You are a passive aggressive coward. You are a male but not a man. You’ll never be a man. And you’re comfortable with that.
You, @hippyjoe1955, and @Speedyman choose to deny solid evidence and hurl insults. All three of you are scared. I will say @Speedyman did apologize for a couple of typos which is more than you and joe are capable of doing.

Liar. Coward. Passive aggressive behavior. If this is how you are in relationships it’s no wonder you have ‘complicated’ on your profile. Nobody would tolerate that behavior. You’re probably lonely and bitter but even though it’s self induced you won’t acknowledge it. If this is how “godly men” are supposed to be I am so very happy to be an atheist.
But go on and pray to your sky daddy. Your prayers have ended every and all wars right? Oh well maybe they’ve ended poverty right? Oh then maybe they’ve eradicated crippling and deadly diseases right? Oh then it sounds like your prayers are worth less than the feces you flush from your toilet. Be sure you always have plenty of tissue paper.
KimWexler · 51-55, F
God isn't dead because god doesn't exist.
@KimWexler No. You have not respected anything. You don't deserve an explanation of real miracles I've seen, given the name you called my God, and I asked you to be respectful and act like an adult in your answers. You're another one who just wants to argue rather than discuss. God won't be mocked and I'll be glad when you meet Him face to face, and you certainly will, guaranteed, and see for yourself He is real, and we'll see how brave you are then to call Him that name to His face, and how you explain to God Almighty why you called him that filthy name. I don't care who disagrees with me or even if they don't have the same beliefs as me, but they don't have to be so disrespectful as to call someone's God what you did. Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Even you. You judge someone you don't even know.
KimWexler · 51-55, F
Lady Grace replied (ergo the reason for my notification) but then blocked me.
Drats.
I won't be able to see her nonsensical response.
Maximusmax · M
@KimWexler i will just say that to know God a person needs to find Him on their own terms and not just restrict their belief to the bible. It is a man made book
Carazaa · F
No He is watching I know that because he answers my prayers.
Carazaa · F
@CopperCicada
OK, I think the atheists bring these topics to the table more. I don't like to discuss any of those things as much as what God has done for me. Jesus does say that we MUST come through Him if we want to reach God.
[b]"IAM the way, the truth, the life, no one comes to the Father except through me?[/b]
@Carazaa Yes. Atheists do. Also believers do. It is because of the materialism of our times.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@CopperCicada [quote]Yes. Atheists do. Also believers do. It is because of the materialism of our times.[/quote]

Could you be more specific?
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Carazaa · F
@Harriet03 I think you are right about it being rare growing up without a pastor or parental influence and I think totally differently regarding GOD and how to act as a Christian than other christian. I tell you I would not have made it without God growing up and moving as a teen to another country.
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
@Carazaa You are not giving YOURSELF the credit you deserve!!
Carazaa · F
@Harriet03 Thank you but I am really a weak person without God. And He really helps me and He does more than answer my prayers he goes before me like a spirit who makes the road smooth. I realize now that I don't need to worry about anything as long as I put God first he takes care of me.
TheWildEcho · 56-60, M
@Harriet03He gave His life, and what a weekend it was, put on trial although innocent, beaten mocked and spat at and subject to the worst torture known to man
and then the resurrection!!!
Yes it was a big deal!
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GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Emosaur [quote]That's not the part I meant[/quote]

What part did mean? Use your head, Emo, God created us to have fellowship with.
Carazaa · F
@Emosaur When you curse God and His children you put a curse on your entire life and your kids lives it says in Deutoronomy 28 And Exodus 20 and it can go on for generations, so please say sorry to God and Godspeed!!
Sharon · F
Silly question. Who do you think sent hurricane Dorian?
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Maximusmax · M
No progress when you don't answer. Anyway I have had enough fun. Thank you @Emosaur
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NudasPriest · 46-50, M
This is like asking if your goldfish is at the top or the bottom of the aquarium ... God's not in the aquarium, he's standing next to it, he built it ... he's not constrained by such human things.
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@Carazaa True, you have answered it, but indirectly. You certainly don't accept that other beliefs are equally valid.
Carazaa · F
@Bushranger I am sorry but I was very direct look it up I don't have time to answer questions over and over. I prayed and answered very directly. It is so upsetting that people ask the same question every day! I am going hiking now. FYI, Look at Godspeeds post too, where I commented on the same subject.
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@Carazaa Sorry, but your responses were about respecting other's beliefs and loving all people. That does not necessarily mean that you accept the validity of their beliefs. I respect your beliefs, but certainly don't consider it valid.
Poke him with a stick and see.
The proof is in the experience. He recently saved my daughter from dying. Also a friend of mine. I've seen many more miracles, too. A die-hard alcoholic, cured of it instantly, never to take another drop, and go on to the ministry. I saw my minister preaching away, then go lay hands of healing on my friend, who was having a grand mal seizure during the service, on the head, which stopped it immediately, then go on to preach, without missing a beat. None, a coincidence.


There are many biblical examples of willful people ignoring the most spectacular demonstrations of God’s presence and power. Consider these: Pharaoh ( Exodus 11:10 ), the Israelites ( Exodus 32:1-4 ), Ahab ( 1 Kings 18:38-39 ), Jesus’ enemies (Mark 3:22 ).  The ideology of naturalistic evolution is losing ground. Both laymen and scientists are growing increasingly aware that the universe and the life within it are much too complex to have been a mere accident. The so-called “Big Bang” set in motion a series of creative events so complex and perfect that all of man’s accumulated scientific wisdom is just beginning to explore them. A feat of cosmic engineering has occurred on such a vast scale, that objective observers are being silenced and humbled, just as Isaiah was humbled by his vision of God’s inconceivable greatness ( Isaiah 40:21-23 ).
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
Which one? There's 100s? 😲
@GodSpeed63 Sir, believe in God your way - and don't preach - You are not qualified to preach. You are the type of people that turn folks OFF on religion. You are no better than anyone else yet you think you are - Stick it
Go read your Holy Bible and call the world sinners. Hypocrite.
Carazaa · F
@MarmeeMarch He is here to encourage people to trust in God. He is reading great Bible verses that encourages me and many here and around the world. We don't have to prove anything except witness what Jesus has done for us!
Abstraction · 61-69, M
He is dead to people who ironically exert a lot of anger at the very idea they don't believe in.

For me, no.
1. I embrace science, history and philosophy. Nothing in those for an open-minded rational person that either proves or disproves the existence of God.
2. Some very rational ideas have evidences, but remain without definitive proof. This is one of them. It's not irrational to believe, for instance, that there is life on other planets. Not a shred of proof. This does not imply they must therefore believe in pink unicorns or flying spaghetti monsters (one of the really lame arguments).
3. Confirmation bias means most people are like shook cans of coke full only of the arguments that support what they already think. On both sides. They just spurt them. Often incapable of questioning them.
4. Having been agnostic and interested in the topic, I can probably catalogue the arguments against the existence of God. Some really good ones, others are quite lame. None are definitive.
5. When I stack up some of the most fascinating aspects of our beautiful universe, arguments for and against, and some other stuff - with my experiences - I don't conclude God is dead.
6. Good luck with whatever view you take. I'm never going to convince you. 10 years of discussion on EP shows after spending lots of time I can defend the rationality of either view (God or no god), but people get a bit nasty. Couldn't be stuffed. :)
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Abstraction [quote]proves or disproves the existence of God[/quote]

The question doesn’t even arise.

1. there's no proof that gods exist (otherwise we'd all be theists)
2. there's no proof that gods don't exist (they might be lurking around a mountain-top somewhere)
3. in any event, there's [i]no compelling necessity[/i] to even postulate gods, and the postulation explains nothing... it merely tries to explain everything away. We can simply drop the postulation into the bin, and we lose nothing.
4. therefore, I have no gods
Maximusmax · M
@newjaninev2 but if there is a God it would not just end there. A living Being should be capable of some kind of relationship, which is where that step of existence leads to
Abstraction · 61-69, M
@newjaninev2 'The question doesn't arise'? The fact that it constantly does in itself is noteworthy (throughout history in most societies, continuing, and includes very intelligent people). This has more possible explanations than your stated interpretations I've read on SW. They're quite good, but there are other possibilities.

You've found no compelling necessity. You're being true to your findings. Great. I support that.

Of course, 'compelling necessity' isn't the only basis for reasonable postulation - a quick perusal of both the history and epistemology of science affirms that.

I prefer to say I have found good reason. You don't know what those many compelling reasons are that have convinced me. I have no evangelical need to try to convince you. I've noticed you do seem to have that. And, no, I don't attempt to explain anything away.
Speedyman · 70-79, M
Of course it was Nietzsche who came up with this nonsense phrase. Reminds me of the old saying:

God is dead - Nietzsche

Nietzsche Is dead - God
Speedyman · 70-79, M
So fulfilling you must spend most of it on the Internet @Sharon
Sharon · F
@Speedyman I work with computers, data transfers systems are part of my job so naturally I spend a lot of time on the internet.
Speedyman · 70-79, M
They are soulless, aren’t they? @Sharon
Speedyman · 70-79, M
This question was of course a figment of the imagination of some secularists who had their head screwed on the wrong way. The question is if course as stupid as the idiots who go on about the flying spaghetti monster. God is of course eternal and has now the beginning no end therefore cannot die. He does not cease to exist because people stop believing in him.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@wilderflower Says someone with no grasp on reality at all. Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha. Run along you are too foolish to engage in discussion with.
@hippyjoe1955 Yet you spend time responding. Interesting.
@newjaninev2 I read the posts that I am able to see and it is appalling how a man that is a Christian can talk to someone like there less then he is, and I had to put the Santa info in there to show him that there was a Santa Claus lol 😁 he wasn't imaginary as he said. He wants others to get there facts right he might try doing the same. I believe in God myself but I don't judge anyone for not believing in him, no matter I just needed to get that off my chest,

Justice for all
Sharon · F
@Dianna [quote]There are a whole bunch of links for a whole bunch of events regarding visits/apparitions, especially involving Jesus and His Mother, Mary.[/quote]
I asked for links to verified accounts. I'd already searched with Google and found nothing but links to unverified claims.

[quote]If God doesn't exist/there's nothing beyond this world here on earth, how can we explain away every miraculous event that's taken place?[/quote]
In some cases we simply don't know. Science searches for answers, it doesn't necessarily have them all - yet. Postulating a magical being like "god" doesn't help, it just leaves another question unanswered. Even if such a being does exist, it would not necessarily be the christian version.

I'm see you're no longer interested in defending your position. Fair enough, I'm responding for the benefit of others who might otherwise believe your claims have been proven true.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@AnonymousJSS He is real, I seen it on Minecraft.
AnonymousJSS · 22-25, F
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
Was he/she/it alive?
Sharon · F
@GodSpeed63 [quote]Saying stupid stuff is not helping your case any not acting like a fool.[/quote]
We leave that to you.
@Maximusmax Do out of body experiences count?
Maximusmax · M
@DudeistPriest count for what
Budwick · 70-79, M
Nope!
God is alive and well.
I spoke to Him this morning!
Bushmanoz · 56-60, M
@Sharon I agree, even the phrase "use your noodle" is in reference to the FSM
Sharon · F
@Bushmanoz [quote]"use your noodle" is in reference to the FSM[/quote]
Exactly, it's calling upon the Deity to grant one wisdom. Those untouched by the FSM's noodly appendage lack even the wisdom to spell R'Amen correctly, often omitting the initial R'. :(
Bushmanoz · 56-60, M
@Sharon lol..probably takes a couple of minutes more
Heartlander · 80-89, M
Mark 1:32 ...

"That evening, at sunset, people brought to Jesus those who were sick or demon-possessed. The whole town gathered near the door. He healed many who were sick with all kinds of diseases, and he threw out many demons. But he didn’t let the demons speak, because they recognized him.

Early in the morning, well before sunrise, Jesus rose and went to a deserted place where he could be alone in prayer. Simon and those with him tracked him down. When they found him, they told him, 'Everyone’s looking for you!'

He replied, 'Let’s head in the other direction, to the nearby villages, so that I can preach there too. That’s why I’ve come.'...
"
Bushmanoz · 56-60, M
@Carazaa You ruined what could have been a lovely thing to say. I appreciate your part of the statement, but, to say a god I don't believe is even real cares is insulting.
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Heartlander · 80-89, M
@Carazaa

[quote] And I do drive out demons! But that's not why he left. He said that it was not his time yet. He knew that once they heard he was God in the flesh they wanted to kill him.[/quote]

I think the reason was far broader. If God was to himself heal everyone, drive out all the deamons, permanently fix all that's wrong, that would have taken away the role of "free will". It would have put God in charge of our lives rather than us in charge of our lives. His healing of the sick was a demonstrating of his power. The demonstration of power was also to flush out self-serving hypocrisy. By broadening his appeal, he set the stage for his own death.
MayaHope · 41-45, F
Or did it never exist?
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
@MayaHope [image deleted]✌
MayaHope · 41-45, F
You’re right, that might help 🤷🏻‍♀️@Harriet03
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@Harriet03 Goes well with the parfume

Did you get it in Dutch already?
We have T-Shirts

GoldenWorm · 51-55, M
Which one(s)?
@GoldenWorm My response too.
GoldenWorm · 51-55, M
@Grateful4you there's a billion Hindu and a billion more Muslims and a billion xtians. All of them assuming there's the only ones
UckfayOuyayOotay · 46-50, M
One cannot kill that which is imagined.
GoldenWorm · 51-55, M
@UckfayOuyayOotay and after even ancient eons lie, even death may die.
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@UckfayOuyayOotay Damn, so much for my imaginary friends in the sky, but hell they never answered one damn prayer. Useless non-entities.
How can something be dead if it didn’t exist to start with?
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Maximusmax · M
No. He is the living God
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Maximusmax [quote]good thing I'm not Christian[/quote]

Then what are you?
Maximusmax · M
@GodSpeed63 no religion but I believe in God
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Maximusmax [quote]no religion but I believe in God[/quote]

I'm not religious either, but, I do know Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. Do you know Him as your Lord and Savior?
Pfuzylogic · M
Nietzsche is dead.
God is alive.
Steveinlandsea · 51-55, M
which god or gods?

I would have thought religeon in general would have died by now
SW-User
@Steveinlandsea Why do think that?
Bushmanoz · 56-60, M
@Harriet03 lol, that's terrible..lol
@Steveinlandsea Religion is not the same thing as a personal relationship with God.
Darci ·
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Sharon [quote]Of course He does. Many people have seen Him, including I. The evidence of His work is there every Christmas morning.[/quote]

Do you actually believe in Santa Claus?
Sharon · F
@GodSpeed63 Yes, but probably not in the way most people do. I see Him as the force which influences us to exchange gifts at Yule.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Sharon [quote]Yes, but probably not in the way most people do[/quote]

I see him as a symbol of giving.
Peaches · F
Well let's just put it this way.🙏🏼😏 💕💙 I would rather live a life believing there is a God and find out there isn't one than to live a life believing there isn't a God and find out there is. 😱
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newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Emosaur Yes indeed... and that’s just one of the refutations (there are several)
Carazaa · F
@Peaches I love that! So true! But he also helps me here, so its like a win win situation 🤗
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TheWildEcho · 56-60, M
He's alive and well, it's just that most people haven't encountered Him yet
AnonymousJSS · 22-25, F
Very dead. In fact, he never even existed 😀
WeighedDown · 36-40, M
A dead-beat dad at the very least
Carazaa · F
@Bushranger Everything!
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@Carazaa OK, so you are saying that Japan isn't a successful country because it is predominately Shinto and Buddhist? It is a major player in the world, just because it isn't primarily Christian, doesn't make it a bad place.
Bushmanoz · 56-60, M
@Emosaur "Your kind has been claiming an invisible man in the sky to be real for literally centuries without any evidence"

When you read that, it really does make you wonder how anyone truly believes it. People have been put in institutions for less.

Also, I hate when people resort to saying you are too young to know. On the plus side it usually means you have a sound argument and they have to resort to that to refute it.
saintsong · 41-45, F
Jesus did die and bore the sins of the world but was resurrected 3 days later!
Carazaa · F
@Harriet03 I do not believe in the death penalty.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Harriet03 [quote]I hope you never serve on a jury!!![/quote]

The Lord God is the only righteous judge who'd rather see Himself under the death penalty than us. This is why Jesus came into the world to bare our sins and be put to death on the cross instead of us. Then, He defeated death once and for all when He rose again.
Carazaa · F
@GodSpeed63 Yes God is the only righteous judge,Praise God he is so gracious!
OzDiver · 61-69, M
I'm not sure. I think He might have blocked me.
Bushmanoz · 56-60, M
@OzDiver Mate, we are Aussies, shorts and a tshirt and we will be good to go
OzDiver · 61-69, M
@Bushmanoz True!!
@OzDiver @Bushmanoz Lol. 🤭
SW-User
Well, as someone who is not an atheist but neither a religious person, I am still doubting about God's existence, but I strongly believe that He is never dead. In the bible, God sacrifices himself to save us, and then He reborn. He reborn which means He would never die. His immortality is eternal and will remain forever; that is what I believe He is.

But my opinion is just something that I believe, not that I saw. And the only way to find out the answer is death. Unfortunately, once we die, we can never go back to tell everybody the answer to God's existence. It will become a truth that no one knows but us.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@wilderflower @Sharon [quote]He's very confused.[/quote]

Really? How's that?
Sharon · F
@GodSpeed63 If you can't see that, you prove my point.
@GodSpeed63 You think just because someone wrote in a book long ago saying there’s a supreme being who created everything it must be true. If anyone would believe that they would also believe Santa Clause is a real being or the Flying Spaghetti Monster is real. Whenever someone shows doubts about your beliefs you quote from your special book of fairly tales known as this holy bible indirectly calling them a fool. You’re confused.
The Flying Spaghetti Monster is ever present and all Pasta-filled! 🤨
@TheWildEcho atheists? They don’t believe in my God, despite the overwhelming evidence of evolution. 🤨
TheWildEcho · 56-60, M
@Temporallube so did it evolve?
@TheWildEcho evolve? That’s just His Pasta goodness fooling people to make them believe in the overwhelming evidence of evolution
SW-User
Try to insult Him, let's see if He reacts..
@SW-User I’m not insulting him I am Christian
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@BirdinaCage Isn't this question an insult then? Or are you just seriously confused?
Carazaa · F
@SW-User God says that He is slow to anger, and so are true Christians.
SW-User
No, because the author didn’t kill him off at the end of the story.
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SW-User
Bible II: Electric Boogaloo.
@BlackClapTrap
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Mona86 · C
No God never dies his life is infinite
TakingBackMidgard · 26-30, M
Bushmanoz · 56-60, M
TakingBackMidgard · 26-30, M
Depends if it’s before or after Ragnarök @Bushmanoz
Bushmanoz · 56-60, M
@TakingBackMidgard lol..no spoilers!!
SW-User
No. Just fed up with Brexit.
This post sure as hell is not
Yeah. The Romans crucified him on request from the Jewish High Priest.
@Dianna No one could have risen from the dead in the same populous community they lived in and have managed to escape sighting by all but his 12 closest associates. It is fiction.
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@Dianna There are 7.2 billion humans in the world. Only 2.4 billion of them claim to be associated with Christianity. "Associated with" means practitioners, believers, and those that claim to be Christian in culture only. Most "Christians" are Christians in culture ONLY. They don't actually believe or practice the dogma.

If your God is so almighty and powerful, why did it take 1500 years for he/she/it to spread Christianity to the Americas? In fact, it took over 1500 years before any Christians even knew the Americas even existed. Why would your God hold Native Americans in the dark for over 1500 years? Why? Is he not all powerful? Is he not so compassionate that he would want people in the Americas to know about Jesus' "love" for them? Or is your God just a racist bastard?

Why is it that Christianity, to this day, has not spread to Asia (China, Japan, India, Indonesia and many other nations)? Why is it that Christianity is not taken Africa by storm? Does your God simply not care about those people? It is fiction. It is mythology. It has NO basis in fact.
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Straylight · 31-35, F
Yes 😢
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@Straylight I miss David Bowie. How sad he's gone.
Whose god ? Just about every group of people have had one or several.
Listen...
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