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Christians: do you believe that the WHOLE bible is the inspired word of god? [Spirituality & Religion]

If so, how do you reconcile the many immoral things in the bible like the owning of slaves, the inequality of women and the murder of homosexuals?

Now, this is a bit of a gotcha question but i am still genuinely interested in how the faithful reconcile these immoral things with the idea that god is unfailingly moral and just or that the bible is the ultimate source for morality.
gregloa · 61-69, M
Yes of course I believe the whole Bible is the inspired Word of God. How did the first churches get the Bible? Divine intervention of course. Guided by the Holy Spirit and Jesus himself these are the authors of the Bible.
The Bible was written over 1500 years.
Ancient scribes for centuries painstakingly inspired by the Holy Spirit made copies of the Bible by hand and it was distributed by hand throughout the land to the many churches. An impossible task for any man that doesn’t believe in much less fear God. These copies remain virtually unchanged to this day as the inspired Word of God we have today. The Bible.
Anything immoral in the Bible is carried out by man, not God. God is just. Don’t misinterpret the meaning of just. God hates sin. Sin must be punished for God to be just. Did he not punish Israel when they sined against him? Proof was provided time after time and they still refused to believe. Even if proof is provided to you would you believe they didn’t? Why would you? What kind of proof do you require? Are you so arrogant that you demand proof from God who created you. They were slaves in Egypt for some 400 years. That’s longer than the United States has existed. Woman was created for man, not that he should mistreat her but nevertheless he will rule over her as explained in his word. Where the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah not destroyed by God because of homosexuality? Who is going to argue with Jesus on the day of judgement that homosexuality isn’t sin and what will happen to them? Those who fear God know. And even those who don’t fear God are without excuse as it has been written in every mans heart by God himself as this is clearly explained in his Devine Word. The wages of sin is death. Blood was shed for all sin by sacrifice. Under the old covenant with unblemished animals and under the new covenant with Jesus. Because God is just. All sin was and will be punished that didn’t or doesn’t have blood shed to cover it. God is indeed just and without sin. He separates himself from sin. We separate ourselves from him by sin. The God of the Old Testament is the same God of the New Testament. He has not changed. Why do you not fear God who can and will send you to hell unless you repent and are born again. Because you don’t believe in him. I don’t buy that for one minute. I know because of his Devine Word that the truth is written in your heart by God himself. Why then because you believe the lies of the devil. Can you not recognize the devil laughing each time you post another misguided attempt to disprove God when you’re actually just helping the devil spread lies. I will be praying that you will come to repentance my brother. Please stop spreading the devils lies. It’s very immoral.
suzie1960 · 61-69, F
@PikachuTrainer What brain power? He didn't even start with any.
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@gregloa [c=#4C0073]i may agree with some things you say, but my dear, when you say the Bible today is virtually unchanged from the original .. please, do your research, and come back after.[/c]
@PikachuTrainer

lol could well be. But he does tend to get in over his head in his eagerness to put me in my place.

I think i must have pissed him off at one point and now he's got a hate boner on for me lol
lancashirelady50 · 70-79, F
The Bible was a beautifully written set of poems, laws, stories etc suitable at the time for the wandering tribes of the desert.
lancashirelady50 · 70-79, F
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@lancashirelady50 That sounds workable. Now, if I were just in one of the wandering tribes of the desert...
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This is a question that is far too broad to answer in this type of forum. However, I'll do my best.

Yes, I believe that the whole Bible is the inspired word of God. He is the author, though He used human authors to physically write His message to us.

The problem is that, today, we are imperfect in our interpretations of His word sometimes. The Bible is to be taken as a whole, IN CONTEXT, of its entirety, and in the context of each verse we read and the others around it. Things were culturally very different back then. So while certain activities may not apply today, the premise still does.

It's also easy to take a verse out of context and twist it to mean something it doesn't. So, when reading the Bible, or listening to those who are teaching from it, it's our responsibility to go back and check to be sure that what is being read or taught is accurate within the context of the verse, the culture, the author, and with the Bible as a whole.
PikachuTrainer · 26-30, M
@SW-User you actually did avoid the question about the condoning of slavery, nothing about whether or not I agree with it or not.
@PikachuTrainer Oh, this is getting good....
PikachuTrainer · 26-30, M
@PhoenixPhail it always does.
redredred · M
Theres no god, no devil, no heaven, no hell and no reason whatsoever to believe in any of that nonsense. We live on a cold wet rock orbiting an average star in an unexceptional galaxy. We live, we die, we feed the worms. Thats it.
Abrienda · 26-30, F
@redredred Brilliant example of the mind of a childish mind in a grown man's body at work. No maturity, no culture, no wisdom, no soul. I pity your children if you had any.
redredred · M
and i await a single shred of evidence for your invisible sky friends and their imaginary realms.@Abrienda
@redredred

Right?
You a childish man with no wisdom because you [i]don't[/i] accept something for which no evidence exists?
PikachuTrainer · 26-30, M
It also says it is OK to marry underage children (aka Mary and Joseph).
suzie1960 · 61-69, F
@Pikachu [quote]Mary mother of god was a young girl when she was wed to her husband.
Clearly boning a 12 year old was ok.[/quote]
If her child was "the son of God", presumably god screwed her first. Obviously he thought it was OK for a 12 year old to be pregnant.
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
@suzie1960 If God really wanted to impress, he'd have got Joseph pregnant. Nothing impressive about a young girl, happens all the time round here!! 🤷‍♀️
OggggO · 36-40, M
@PikachuTrainer Where in the Bible does it state how old Mary was at the time of her marriage to Joseph?
kodiac · 22-25, M
Bet this gets ugly lol. The answer i get is It just is !!!!!!!
@kodiac

I think the answer we'll see is that whatever god does is just because he's god.
If anyone answers at all
kodiac · 22-25, M
@Pikachu Exactly
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Abrienda · 26-30, F
Yes I suspected from your disrespectful manner you were doing your best to take a cheap shot but as a Christian I will still answer you with the respect you could not find in your morally superior (to you) mind to offer to educate you so that hopefully you won't ask such questions in this way again

I cannot speak for Protestant Christians but in the Catholic Church we are taught that while the Bible (most particularly the Old Testament) may not be always factually infallible it is always THEOLOGICALLY infallible. For example, for us the point of the story of the Battle of Jericho is not that the walls of the city REALLY collapsed because the Israelites blew ram's horns but that with God's help everything is possible.
@Abrienda


Not sure which part of my question was disrespectful. If you point out which part of my criticism was lacking in respect perhaps i can correct it in future.
If i'm being honest, it seems like you're just upset by my question and if you were really turning the other cheek, you wouldn't feel the need to announce it so magnanimously the way you did.

So you don't believe that the bible is the ultimate source of divine morality.
Cool. Then we are in agreement.
But of course, this question was explicitly directed at those christians who do.
Abrienda · 26-30, F
@Pikachu You admitted it was " a bit" of a "gotcha question" or don't you read or understand what you write or just lack self-awareness? Unless in your moral universe "gotcha questions" are meant as a form of respect towards those you "getcha'?

Anyway I answered your question...
@Abrienda

Yes, it IS a gotcha question because an answer that is "yes, the bible is a good source of morality" will necessarily force the proponent to make an argument that things like sexism and slavery are moral.
THAT is a position which i am happily prepared to debate.

But you've failed to explain how that is disrespectful. You just got your back up about what i said and decided that since the question makes you uncomfortable, i was being rude.

Yes, you did answer my question and i agreed with you: the bible is not an infallible source for morality.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
As usual you don't understand anything Christian. Kind of sad really. Maybe you could go back to kindergarten which seems to be about your level of understanding of life.
@hippyjoe1955

I'm sure there's lots about christianity that i don't understand.

With that in mind, please educate me by answering this question or by correcting whatever you perceive to be errors in my foundational reasoning.

Simply insulting me serves no useful purpose.
OggggO · 36-40, M
@hippyjoe1955 She asked a legitimate, thoughtful question. You're the one with no understanding here.
@OggggO

Thanks🙂
Xuan12 · 31-35, M
By selectively recognizing the tenets of their religion according to their own preferences.
@Pikachu God ---- for once I agree.
@Xuan12 You said:

[quote] Most modern Christianity is no different from atheism in that sense. They just do what they want. The only difference being they think they have God on their side.
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There's a Buddhist teaching that the dharma should be like an anvil that one hammers and perfects oneself on-- instead of the dharma being beaten into shape on the anvil of one's self.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Xuan12 Atheists just do what they want?

Why didn't I get that memo!?

Gosh, I'm in for a very busy few days
OggggO · 36-40, M
I believe certain parts are definitely written through holy inspiration of human hands, but others, such as a lot of Paul’s writings, are just the human opinions of influential men of the church. My guide is how closely it follows the teachings of Jesus in the Gospels.
You mention all the bad things but fail to ack the good things. Oh well why am I not surprised.
PikachuTrainer · 26-30, M
@MarmeeMarch I suggest rereading my comment, I said all holy books, that includes Judaism, Taoism, Hinduism and Islam.
@PikachuTrainer No - come on now - I know what you mean ----- -be honest -------its OK I wont hold it against you.
PikachuTrainer · 26-30, M
@MarmeeMarch I never hold back what I say, like I said you should reread my comment.
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Something I wonder too, I wonder who forgives God’s sin.
xSharp · 31-35, M
slavery is only immoral when your the one whos enslaved lol but do you know if your a slave or not? 😯
xSharp · 31-35, M
@Pikachu im sure sometimes they are 🤷‍♂️
@xSharp


Well ok. And?
xSharp · 31-35, M
@Pikachu i think god made it okay when he said give to cesar what is his.. or something along those lines 🤔

whos to say what goes in a cesar nowaydays 🤷‍♂️
uncalled4 · 56-60, M
It's filtered through people and people cannot be 100% relied upon. Oral traditions distorted a lot of things. But, I think there is real beauty and love throughout, even if there are some bad judgment calls.

I'm a Christian, but at no point do I think that only Christians have the copyright on morality. That seems like the deadly sin of pride, no? Anyhow, you don't have to agree with me, but that's where I am.
@uncalled4

Well i agree that the bible was written by humans for humans. But if that's the case, even in part, how can we look to the bible as the ultimate guide to morality?
uncalled4 · 56-60, M
@Pikachu I'm not saying it's the ultimate anything, really.
blindbob · 41-45
the bible is man disguised as God.
I believe the God in the bible is the creator of everything, including morality. His standard was fixed and we lowered it. We Made it subjective. God has the right as the creator to judge those who live contrary to His standard of morality.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@1234567890a God’s standard is downright shite tbh. But at least you’re avoiding the Euthyphro dilemma.
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@Harriet03 Genesis 19:24 is when God destroyed the wicked cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. Nothing about abortion there.
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
@SW-User So nobody was pregnant in 2 whole citys 🤔
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@Harriet03 It took man a while to get it right. Kudos to King James for being the one to finally get it right.
Sounds like someone got a lump of coal in his Christmas stocking.
@MarmeeMarch


lol i [i]literally[/i] did get a lump of coal in my stalking this christmas.
No joke

 
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