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Is Isreal simply protecting themselves

Israel is targeting the people of Gaza, apartment buildings, the media. The death count is 20 to 1. If you were punched in the face would it be fair to kill 5 people. Are the Palestinians caught in the middle of Hamas and Israel.
MrMaX · 100+, M
Let's see what really happened here

- In violation of the international laws, Israeli forces attempt to evict Palestinian families from their homes in the neighborhood of Shiekh Jarrah (which is located in East Jerusalem, a recognized Palestinian territory under international laws). The families refuse to evict, they fight back, they get beaten by the Israelis, some even get arrested.

- Worshippers at Al Aqsa decide to protest the eviction of the Palestinian families. They get attacked (mostly by Zionist nationalists backed by Israeli soldiers). They fight back by pelting stones. The Israeli forces storm Al Aqsa with stun grenades and rubber bullets. The clashes end with more than 300 Palestinians injured, of which +200 were hospitalized with serious conditions. On the other side, 21 Israeli are injured.

- Between Al Aqsa clashes and Hamas firing rockets, more reports emerge of Zionist nationalist groups attacking Palestinian civilians in the streets, running them over with cars, or beating them up. It's not clear if the Israeli forces have done anything to arrest and stop these Zionist extremists.

- Hamas fires rockets at Israel saying they're responding to injuring +300 Palestinians in Al-Aqsa clashes. Israel replies by bombing Gaza, bringing residential buildings to the ground with its residents, and targeting press offices, and medical clinics and facilities including the only Covid-19 testing lab in Gaza.

-So far the death toll in Gaza tops +200, of which +60 are children and +31 are women. Around 40,000 people in Gaza have been displaced during the week-long escalation. As of 17 May, 10 Israelis were killed by Hamas airstrikes.

[b]The way I see it, Hamas is still playing the same game but Israel is to be blamed for this round of fight as it continues its apartheid practice of evicting Palestinians from their homes in E-Jerusalem which doesn't only break international laws and violates human rights but also serves to provide Hamas with the chance to appear as if "it's only defending its people". In the meantime, the only victims here are the civilians on both sides, especially the Palestinian people who are paying a very high price as they're being caught in the middle between a state trying to ethnically cleanse them and a terrorist militia.[/b]
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I know an ex Israeli soldier who told me a few things about what’s going on in there(and he hated the whole thing,so it’s not really a biased situation). That’s why i side with Israel
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@SW-User im just saying if Israel’goal was to destroy citizens lives,they can just cut the energy supply. These are times of war after all right?
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@SW-User ???
@SW-User 98% of Palestinian doesn't have clean water. I call that cutting the power off.
cant really blame them for having better firepower
@BlueVeins yeah... but that has nothgin to do with what i am talkign about ajnd should have been pretty obvious if you had any knowledge of that area.

and no they should not give it back, that was 70 years ago and all the germans that lived there at thattime are now dead... it was an ethnical cleansing but it lead to a political stability that now only get questioned by political weirdoes.

and the same is true for israel. it is a political reality and if something about that was to be done it should have happend 50 years ago... but its to late now. move on
BlueVeins · 22-25
@Strawberrry [quote]yeah... but that has nothgin to do with what i am talkign about ajnd should have been pretty obvious if you had any knowledge of that area.[/quote]

A'ight but you didn't specify and i explicitly told you I didn't so IDK why you're surprised.

[quote]and no they should not give it back, that was 70 years ago and all the germans that lived there at thattime are now dead... it was an ethnical cleansing but it lead to a political stability that now only get questioned by political weirdoes.[/quote]

If it improved stability, that kinda throws a wrench into this whole comparison you're trying to draw...

[quote]and the same is true for israel. it is a political reality and if something about that was to be done it should have happend 50 years ago... but its to late now. move on[/quote]

Or we could do something about it now, such as sanctioning Israeli settlements & having Israeli allies stop donating & selling arms to them. It'd be pretty simple.
@BlueVeins Fun aside. I knew a fellow here in Canada who was a former spook who legit believed Polish-Lithuania should be reinstated. Which was basically most of the European continent.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
Its easy to forget this started with Israel "evicting" Palestinians from their homes.
BlueVeins · 22-25
The Israeli government can't claim self defense while it's literally kicking people off their land.
Budwick · 70-79, M
[quote]Israel is targeting the people of Gaza, apartment buildings, the media[/quote]

Israel gives WARNINGS to the people in Gaza.
Hamas, being the total dick-wipes they are, shoots from and stores weapons in those apartment buildings, schools and hospitals.
Hamas is the lowest form of life on Earth.
Palestinians would do well to help destroy Hamas.
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@Budwick

If Israel were an anti-western country, doing exactly what it is doing now with Hamas, and if Hamas were a pro-western insurgency, the lefties here would be screaming bloody murder about what those fascistic Hamas tools of western imperialism were doing.
Budwick · 70-79, M
The responses here clearly show that the left will do everything necessary to ignore the persistent provocation of Hamas, shooting literally thousands of rockets into Israel, knowingly putting their own in peril and pretend that Israel is the aggressor.

Six months ago there was relative peace in the Middle East - thanks to Trump and his policies. Then the left steal the election and everything turns to shit. The southern border over run, we lose our energy independence and the Middle East literally blows up.
@Budwick Old age is a severe disease isn't it.
JollyLily · F
@Budwick No offense but why do old folks always have trouble understanding the reality? Why do you want to live in a world that is painted black and white only? Because that's like choosing to live a lie. There's no black and white in this world. Israel is an apartheid ethno-religious military state. That's just the new reality. Maybe once, decades and decades ago, it was a promising democratic state, maybe that's what you remember from like 20-30 years ago when you were younger and it seems to be the image you're holding on to, but it's not the reality anymore. Many of us don't feel like supporting a state like that and it doesn't make us pro-Hamas.

I understand that supporting genocide and apartheid systems is [i]ok [/i]for your generation. You probably lived through the apartheid state in South Africa and maybe even supported it. It must come naturally to you to witness a genocide taking place in our world and feel inclined to support it. Just saying
Budwick · 70-79, M
@JollyLily [quote]it doesn't make us pro-Hamas.
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Yeah, it kinda does
deadgerbil · 22-25
From what I've read, it seems fair to say that palestinians are caught in the center of Israel and Hamas. Neither of these warring sides really care about palestinian civilians.

It'd be great if Hamas would cease to exist. They have a pretty repugnant world view and stain the palestinians' plight. They realize the power imbalance of the situation and use human shields because of that.
Graylight · 51-55, F
This is an issue so steeped in history, religion and political strife that anyone even pretending to clearly see all angles or have a solution based on analysis of the situation is a fool. This matter isn't for the citizens of the US who don't have ties to the area.
@Graylight Agreed. Part of my family is from Ireland and most of the guns and money for the "Troubles" came from Boston from people who had only seen Ireland on a postcard.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Me, too. And it's years of well-intentioned but uninformed actions on the part of others that have helped prolong the issues in the past with Ireland. I have to imagine it goes on all around the world, including Israel in Palestine.
@Graylight Yeah. My best friend is from what used to be Yugoslavia and 25 years later most Americans still have no idea what a Serb is.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
It's been interesting to see how many people have a very galvanized opinion on this issue suddenly. It's been going on for decades, and there is a loooong history here, but suddenly everyone is an expert and has picked a side merely based on the latest clash between the 2 sides.
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@SumKindaMunster One side is targeting Doctors, medical staff, citizens and has bombed COVID testing labs, health facilities including 18 hospitals using US made bombers. They also bombed a refugee camp.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@Pitchblue Uh huh. And the other uses human shields, and sends out child suicide bombers to blow up civilians.

You do any research on the history of this conflict or you just going along with your programming?
graphite · 61-69, M
Hamas puts their missile launchers in civilian areas and then launches missiles at Israeli civilians.
@graphite Care to support that with evidence? And even if it is true as far back as the Bush Administration the "human shield" argument was deemed illegitimate. When you make Ari Fleischer look like a pacifist you are on the wrong side of history.
graphite · 61-69, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZH5PPpJCD8]
@graphite Again. So what? That is still not a valid reason for what is going on right now and hasn't been for decades.
It is telling one of the first things to be blown up was the AP building making sure all info that comes out from this point on will go through Bibi's government.
btchstfu · F
no they're dicks
@btchstfu Netanyahu is killing Palestinians to get reelected.
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Allelse · 36-40, M
I'd say that's fairly correct, Israel is responding, they're firing back and the locals are caught in the middle of it. A very sad state of affairs.
Northwest · M
[quote]Are the Palestinians caught in the middle of Hamas and Israel.[/quote]

To make a long story short, Gaza Palestinians are caught in the middle of Netanyahu and Hamas.
akindheart · 61-69, F
i havea friend on SW who lives in Israel. he is in complete panic as the shooting continues..
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Stopmakingsense · 56-60, F
TheLordOfHell · 41-45
Israel this, Palestine that, and in between are the left and right. I have a huge fatty for all of them to smoke so they can calm the fuck down!
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@LvChris They bombed an apartment building.
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@LvChris Right. A war crime and then jokes. Wow But like always the responce from the US is they have the right to protect themselves NOT That Was A Warcrime.

 
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