Is Isreal simply protecting themselves

@Strawberrry So might makes right. 🤦‍♂️

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow do you think the allies in ww2 were in the right because they were a lot stronger then nazi germany ? or should they have used weaker weapons to keep it fair ?

well i guess you do think that

@Strawberrry Not even remotely the same thing. Funny you should bring up that war though because after that war there were these little things called the Nuremberg Trials, and the Geneva Conventions. You might have heard of them.

And i guess by that logic anyone killed by the cops deserved it because excessive force doesn't exist apparently.

@Strawberrry Yeah, 'cause that was how the Israel-Hamas conflict got started, Hamas shooting rockets. 🤦‍♂️ Nevermind that century or so of colonialism and ethnic cleansing.

@BlueVeins you mean like everywhere else in the world ? but yeah lets draw attention to the this uselss little scrap of land. but hey.. its what the hype wants.. and in 6 weeks noone will care anymore.

@Strawberrry You say that like I don't also criticize ethnic cleansings & democides in other nations like Myanmar, China, and Yemen. 👀 I bet if you asked all those Palestinians if that land that they'd been living on for hundreds of years was useless, they'd say it absolutely is not. It's their home. And the Israel-Palestine thing has been a political issue for decades; it's not going away in "6 weeks". Might fall out of the news cycle for a while as especially hard-hitting events slow down, but so does literally any issue.

@BlueVeins yeah... in 6 weeks noone will care anymore. of course there is a lasting issue with this. israel got attacked multiple times and is surrounded by countires that have literally sword to remove it from the map. they have every right to defend their existence. but there is a certain political reality... israel will never ever give up jerusalem and they will never ever leave the settled areas. thats a geopolitical fact. just like the usa will never ever return land to the natives.. russia will never return kaliningrad to germany and hongkong wont ever be british again.

so you can try all you want but if palestine wants a real own state they have to accept this reality and move on from there... or they dont and do terrorist/warlike acts and get their butt kicked.

@Strawberrry If it's a "political reality" that Israel will never leave settled areas or let Palestinians coexist with them in Jerusalem, then what Israel's doing isn't self defense at all. They're maintaining control of a colonial territory, and forcibly deporting and oppressing brown people in the process. That would be like Nazi Germany claiming self defense when the Allies took France back.

@Strawberrry [i]Of course[/i] it's colonialism when a nation takes over the territory of another people group and and subjugates its populace. To call it anything else is to whitewash an attrocity. I also find this analogy --

[quote]just like the usa will never ever return land to the natives..[/quote]

kind of concerning because it implies that if you'd been around during the US genocides of the indigenous Americans, you'd support the US "defending itself" against counterattacks from local tribes.

@BlueVeins whitewash.. colonize.. you sure like your buzzwords dont you.

@Strawberrry So based on your logic we should run the world like street gangs. Right.

@Strawberrry Actually those words mean something. Doubt you bother to look stuff up though.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow thats exactly how we run it for millenia... dont pretend that it wasnt or that it will change in forseeable future. but of course now suddenly it is an outrage.

your very focused racsism towards the jewish people is giving in to millenia of hate propganda towards them

@Strawberrry And by your logic that means there is zero reason to behave any better then we did 1000 years ago. Great.


And now throwing more insults and trying to shut down the conversation by calling everyone an anti-Semite. Yikes.

@BlueVeins "Of course it's colonialism when a nation takes over the territory of another people group and and subjugates its populace."

Oh you mean like when Arab Muslims invaded and occupied the entire region some 1,300 years ago. But that's Ok right? Because a) it was a long time ago and b) it was the Jews who lost out.

Gotcha👍

@room101 Because ancient history is so relevant to this discussion. 🤦‍♂️ This is the most ridiculous response.

@room101 And where the Arabs came from is literally in the name. What a joke.🤣

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow oh now thats ancient history... arab muslim culture subverted the whole area from the levant all the way to morocco basically wiping out the cultures that exited there

@Strawberrry 1000 years is ancient history by any metric except perhaps paleontology.


Again where they came from is literally in the name. Google Arabia. Clearly you need a geography lesson.

@room101 [quote]Oh you mean like when Arab Muslims invaded and occupied the entire region some 1,300 years ago. But that's Ok right? Because a) it was a long time ago and b) it was the Jews who lost out.[/quote]

If you were alive at the time, would you have supported that or are you just bullshitting me?