To anti-gun users : How do you plan to protect yourself and your family from danger?
Let's say protect yourself from being robbed or killed by a armed individual.
A whistle????
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A whistle????
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JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
@WillaKissing you are a victim of violence
WillaKissing · 56-60, M
@JimboSaturn Yes read my white board.
I don't have a gun because we don't have the opportunity in the UK. I'm not anti gun.
That said, the ability of your average person to protect much of anything with their gun is questionable at best. It is often a fanciful idea that the gun will be your protector. Real life is not a cowboy movie. I get that a gun can make you feel more protected but in reality you remain just as vulnerable in many ways. You don't have eyes in the back of your head, you're not an expert marksman trained in modern combat, you're not bulletproof, other people have guns too and guns don't put any decent criminal off committing crime just like the death penalty does nothing to reduce crime. The guy that is intent on coming to your house is coming anyway. It could be argued that a gun could provide a false sense of security.
What best illustrates the overall point is the fact that many Americans can own guns for home defence and crime has not reduced at all.
That said, the ability of your average person to protect much of anything with their gun is questionable at best. It is often a fanciful idea that the gun will be your protector. Real life is not a cowboy movie. I get that a gun can make you feel more protected but in reality you remain just as vulnerable in many ways. You don't have eyes in the back of your head, you're not an expert marksman trained in modern combat, you're not bulletproof, other people have guns too and guns don't put any decent criminal off committing crime just like the death penalty does nothing to reduce crime. The guy that is intent on coming to your house is coming anyway. It could be argued that a gun could provide a false sense of security.
What best illustrates the overall point is the fact that many Americans can own guns for home defence and crime has not reduced at all.
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@BizSuitStacy I'm not part of the anti-gun crowd. Gun ownership definitely puts your life at greater risk, based on the fact that the majority of gun deaths in America are suicides.
As for the defensive gun use statistics, just like anti-gun narratives they are too easy to spin.
As for the defensive gun use statistics, just like anti-gun narratives they are too easy to spin.
BizSuitStacy · M
@BadAssTunaBotHoe
That's sounds exactly like something someone from the anti-gun crowd would say. You're from the UK, and firearm ownership has practically been eradicated, so I get it.
But I've studied firearm crime statistics since the 1990s and will go toe to toe with anyone on the subject.
The anti-gun crowd loves to reference the Kellermann study (usually unknowingly) or they simply say things like "gun ownership definitely puts your life at risk" because that's what they accept. But when the study was dissected by John Lott, Kellermann's selection bias became obvious. His study has never been peer reviewed, and when others requested the raw data to review, Kellermann refused.
I've read 13 independent DGU (defensive gun use) studies, and they all come to the same conclusion. Some the DGU studies came from liberal sources. One was CNN, and they never published their results. There are far more DGUs every year than firearm homicides. A DGU is a situation in which someone defends themselves using a firearm where they believe their life was at risk. In the vast majority of cases, he firearm is simply brandished, and not fired, though there are a significant number resulting in a justified homicide. The US gov't CDC found there are between 500,000 and 3 million DGUs every year, as opposed to roughly 10K - 15K firearm homicides each year. It's hard to make your case when firearm ownership is saving more lives than it puts at risk.
I'm not part of the anti-gun crowd. Gun ownership definitely puts your life at greater risk
That's sounds exactly like something someone from the anti-gun crowd would say. You're from the UK, and firearm ownership has practically been eradicated, so I get it.
But I've studied firearm crime statistics since the 1990s and will go toe to toe with anyone on the subject.
The anti-gun crowd loves to reference the Kellermann study (usually unknowingly) or they simply say things like "gun ownership definitely puts your life at risk" because that's what they accept. But when the study was dissected by John Lott, Kellermann's selection bias became obvious. His study has never been peer reviewed, and when others requested the raw data to review, Kellermann refused.
I've read 13 independent DGU (defensive gun use) studies, and they all come to the same conclusion. Some the DGU studies came from liberal sources. One was CNN, and they never published their results. There are far more DGUs every year than firearm homicides. A DGU is a situation in which someone defends themselves using a firearm where they believe their life was at risk. In the vast majority of cases, he firearm is simply brandished, and not fired, though there are a significant number resulting in a justified homicide. The US gov't CDC found there are between 500,000 and 3 million DGUs every year, as opposed to roughly 10K - 15K firearm homicides each year. It's hard to make your case when firearm ownership is saving more lives than it puts at risk.
@BizSuitStacy I will say it clearly, so as not to be ambiguous. I support the right of Americans to choose to have guns as part of a democracy and if guns were legal here I'd probably have one. I just don't see them as any kind of solution. I think that they're fascinating and powerful.
As for the Kellerman study that you reference, hand on heart I've never heard of it until now.
As for the Kellerman study that you reference, hand on heart I've never heard of it until now.
With Freedom comes Responsibility
I support the right to bear arms, and I am in favor of sensible gun safety laws. Every gun owner should be required to take a gun training class. An untrained person with a gun is a huge danger to themselves and others. To buy a handgun a person should be required to have a handgun owner's permit. That would require a background check, waiting period and a gun safety training class. We need an assault weapons ban. We need strong liability laws holding gun owners accountable for reckless misuse of a firearm.
I support the right to bear arms, and I am in favor of sensible gun safety laws. Every gun owner should be required to take a gun training class. An untrained person with a gun is a huge danger to themselves and others. To buy a handgun a person should be required to have a handgun owner's permit. That would require a background check, waiting period and a gun safety training class. We need an assault weapons ban. We need strong liability laws holding gun owners accountable for reckless misuse of a firearm.
WowwGirl · 36-40, F
Pasty's and toffee pudding
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bijouxbroussard · F
How many times have you had to shoot anyone ? My brother was a police officer for twenty years and has never had to shoot anyone—on the job or off. But he can support the statistic that people with arsenals often end up shooting family members or themselves—he’s come upon a few such crime scenes during his career. 😞
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
@bijouxbroussard Excellent argument
ElwoodBlues · M
I count on the police doing their jobs. It's been working well in a number of large blue places.
The above graph ends early; you can read the last few years off this one:
BTW, the approach of fighting guns with more guns is FAILING!!!
Gun laws, which are set at the state leve, are effective - as shown by per capita gun deaths by state red vs blue
America's gun homicides in perspective 2020
Meanwhile, firearms have been the leading cause of death for US children and teens since 2020, representing 19% of all deaths for children 18 years and younger in 2021.
The above graph ends early; you can read the last few years off this one:
BTW, the approach of fighting guns with more guns is FAILING!!!
Gun laws, which are set at the state leve, are effective - as shown by per capita gun deaths by state red vs blue
America's gun homicides in perspective 2020
Meanwhile, firearms have been the leading cause of death for US children and teens since 2020, representing 19% of all deaths for children 18 years and younger in 2021.
ElwoodBlues · M
sree251 · 41-45, M
@ElwoodBlues
Can the police count on you to watch their backs? Chauvin is in jail because you woke people put him there.
I count on the police doing their jobs.
Can the police count on you to watch their backs? Chauvin is in jail because you woke people put him there.
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CarlaMommy · 41-45New
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow nobody is screaming. You don't live here, and you have demostrated your ignorance in our laws. You ignor those laws and make up your own narrative to atempt and show you know something about a nation you are not part of. Typical of the intellectually bankrupt.
I didn't read past that ridiculous statement about screaming.
I didn't read past that ridiculous statement about screaming.
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CarlaMommy · 41-45New
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow I'm not reading your dribble... bye bye... you know nothing!
Elessar · 26-30, M
Steel door, windows that cannot be open from outside + gratings (if ground level), blinders, perimeter alarm, actual walls that won't be tore down with a punch, smoke screen, and a good ol' bar of steel to use as a baton or a big àss sharp meat knife on the night table if it makes you sleep better at night
Regulated guns and a burglary rate that is 44.9% (= less than half) of that of the USA here 🇪🇺
When it comes to burglary statistics, there is one every 30 seconds in the US for a population of 330 million and one every 90 seconds in the EU for a population of 445 million
Regulated guns and a burglary rate that is 44.9% (= less than half) of that of the USA here 🇪🇺
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
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sree251 · 41-45, M
@YourMomsSecretCrush
Just in case you have to use it. What case is that? Where do you live? In civilized society, we are protected by the police. They are professionally trained and armed. Self protection undermines public order. I have seen bozos at shooting ranges wielding weapons in alarming fashion.
Im not anti-gun. I do have a 9mm just in case i have to use it. I hope I never have to. I do not rejoice in violence, but, to protect my family, I will do what I have to do.
Just in case you have to use it. What case is that? Where do you live? In civilized society, we are protected by the police. They are professionally trained and armed. Self protection undermines public order. I have seen bozos at shooting ranges wielding weapons in alarming fashion.
@sree251 I am prior law enforcement with extensive training. I also understand that currently our police have very limited resources. If you say self protection undermines public order, then, dont put me in a situation where i have to self protect.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@YourMomsSecretCrush
You are an exception. The rest of society are accidents waiting to happen. And when every bozo gets to carry a weapon, nobody is safe.
If you say self protection undermines public order, then, dont put me in a situation where i have to self protect.
You are an exception. The rest of society are accidents waiting to happen. And when every bozo gets to carry a weapon, nobody is safe.
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WowwGirl · 36-40, F
@invisiblewoman well they are not my preferred but lots of people like them.
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PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@JimboSaturn Same and I spent 15 years in the "scary " part of Winnipeg. The Canadian murder capital.
And even the murder capital of Canada has less than 50 homicides a year.
That is a slow month in a major American city.
And even the murder capital of Canada has less than 50 homicides a year.
That is a slow month in a major American city.
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WowwGirl · 36-40, F
@HumanEarth I think those are illegal now buddy. So yeah...lol
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22Michelle · 61-69, T
@senghenydd Bollocks. I know several people who have licensed guns. The system is just far more restrictive and sensible.
senghenydd · M
@22Michelle And the same to you Bollocks. You are going to be blocked T HEE
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WowwGirl · 36-40, F
@CarlaMommy ha..
CarlaMommy · 41-45New
@WowwGirl haha!
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BohemianBabe · M
@chasingThursday I'm very pro-gun, but when it comes to people with chronic depression, they probably shouldn't own guns. Research into suicide shows that when it's easier to commit suicide, the rates among depressed people do go up.
WowwGirl · 36-40, F
@chasingThursday u should talk to somebody
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WowwGirl · 36-40, F
@DazzaTheHutt oh word? Lol
22Michelle · 61-69, T
WowwGirl · 36-40, F
Nobody without a gun has committed 😂
They have no clue how to answer this question
They have no clue how to answer this question
exchrist · 31-35
Throwing knives blow darts trip wires and garlic.
therighttothink50 · 56-60, M
Just blow a whistle and tell the baddies to behave? :)
WillaKissing · 56-60, M
Thank you for best comment.
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WowwGirl · 36-40, F
@ImperialAerosolKidFromEP they don't like guns
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