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SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
No. Driving a car entails a burden of responsibility to pedestrians, other road users and the environment in general. It is reasonable to require a certain level of competence.
Things that should be considered a right instead of a privilege in an advanced economy:
(1) Housing
(2) Universal healthcare
(3) Education
Things that should be considered a right instead of a privilege in an advanced economy:
(1) Housing
(2) Universal healthcare
(3) Education
bijouxbroussard · F
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Jeephikelove · 46-50, F
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CheekyBadger · M
Technically it is a right not a privilege (in most western countries anyway) - the difference is that a right means you are entitled to something (subject to any criteria such as passing a test of competency) wheras a privilege is something bestowed by on the basis of favour - if driving licenses were a privilege you would have to persuade the authority that they should give you one - that might be through bribery or beiing friends with them etc. The word "Privilege" stems from "private law" essentially you get treated differently on the basis of some characteristic. Privilege is how the societies were governed before we decided that wasn't a good basis on which to run a society.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@CheekyBadger [quote]Technically it is a right not a privilege (in most western countries anyway) [/quote]
Is this actually explicitly the case anywhere? It certainly not an explicitly mentioned right in any constitution that i am aware of (granted I am only passing familiar with three) and I suspect that it is not formulated in exactly those terms in legislation either.
Or to put it another way: i agree with you but I suspect that it might be difficult to find explicit documentary evidence.
Is this actually explicitly the case anywhere? It certainly not an explicitly mentioned right in any constitution that i am aware of (granted I am only passing familiar with three) and I suspect that it is not formulated in exactly those terms in legislation either.
Or to put it another way: i agree with you but I suspect that it might be difficult to find explicit documentary evidence.
CheekyBadger · M
@ninalanyon I can't speak for USA as this is a matter for each individual state to legislate for but in UK where I am it is set out in legislation - basically if you pass the competency tests and pay the fees you are entitled to drive - it isnt a lottery where you can be refused.
I'm not saying it's enshrined in a bill of rights - obviously it could be changed in future - at some point an elected government could pass a law that prevented issuance of any new licences or to cancel any issued already - but that could apply to anything - ultimately there are no limits - we found that out during covid.
I'm not saying it's enshrined in a bill of rights - obviously it could be changed in future - at some point an elected government could pass a law that prevented issuance of any new licences or to cancel any issued already - but that could apply to anything - ultimately there are no limits - we found that out during covid.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@CheekyBadger [quote]we found that out during covid
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Yes, the UK was quite astonishingly draconian, especially compared to where I live, Norway.
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Yes, the UK was quite astonishingly draconian, especially compared to where I live, Norway.
Disgustedman · 61-69, M
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
Everyone else seems to be responding in terms of road safety. But surely the question is more about the rights and duties of the citizen and state. After all the roads are provided at public expense, finansed by universal taxation.
Should such a facility be restricted to those who can afford to pay for certification? If so then why should those who do not want to pay for certification be required to pay for the road?
Discuss.
Should such a facility be restricted to those who can afford to pay for certification? If so then why should those who do not want to pay for certification be required to pay for the road?
Discuss.
SW-User
@ninalanyon those who are qualified for the privilege deliver your groceries to the supermarkets over those roads, so you can eat, regardless of whether you are qualified for the privilege or not, so yes, you should participate in funding public [i]infrastructure[/i] (not just roads), as you almost certainly still benefit, even indirectly ... you also benefit by your national defense force being able to move its assets from one part of the country to another over these roads in a time of crisis (natural disaster, invasion)
There's a special place in hell for naive "libertarians"
There's a special place in hell for naive "libertarians"
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@SW-User I think you haven't read my responses very carefully. I was not advocating for any kind of libertarian point of view I was setting out some of the arguments that will need to be countered if people wish to maintain there supposed right to drive their own vehicles.
I don't understand where you get the idea that I am any kind of libertarian, naïve or not.
I don't understand where you get the idea that I am any kind of libertarian, naïve or not.
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Elessar · 26-30, M
@MethDozer Modern four strokes one maybe not, but two strokes ones like the one I used to have absolutely would. They did 50mph just fine with only original parts. However iirc they were brought to 70cc or 90cc so they're not exactly 50cc anymore.
Eh no, not really. Those frames aren't really designed to be stable at that speed, and they already ride like pirates; if they crash into you while surpassing you simultaneously on both sides when you're already at 30mph you're likely to be given part of the blame just because you have the bigger vehicle.
Eh no, not really. Those frames aren't really designed to be stable at that speed, and they already ride like pirates; if they crash into you while surpassing you simultaneously on both sides when you're already at 30mph you're likely to be given part of the blame just because you have the bigger vehicle.
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morrgin · F
@SW-User i agree with this except so many people every day lose their driving privileges over things that have nothing to do with driving