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Is it time to ban church in the US?

In the last 3 weeks alone, 30 religious figures, mostly youth pastors, have been arrested for sex crimes involving children.
Since there is such a huge discourse around banning or restricting things to help protect children, (except guns of course) we should just ban church services outright, right? It is clear that the people who attend and lead them are the biggest threat to children in America (except guns of course).
You’d assume that republicans would be in favor of this ban, but they are more interested in projecting their own tendencies onto drag queens and lgbt people.
Imsleepy · 26-30
I feel like the point of this post went over a few heads.

I don’t want to ban church. I was being sarcastic. It was meant to show the ridiculousness and hypocrisy of conservatives.

They want to accuse the lgbt community for being pedophilic groomers and push legislation to try and strip us of our rights, when in reality they are the ones guilty of this. They don’t care about the safety of children. They are more concerned with lowering the legal age to marry and fuck them.
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
@SilkenMist I don't see the guidance of religion as similar because sexuality is instinctual, there need not be any instruction whereas children need role models on conduct within society. And the journey of sexuality is a personal one that has no effect on another person unlike how we live our lives outwardly where the youth pastor would be concerned.
SilkenMist · 46-50, F
@Jackaloftheazuresand I think I got, some of that.
@Imsleepy you’re not wrong.
Should we close down schools too. And jobs.
@sarabee1995 eternally grateful.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@DarkHeaven It's important to us both. 🤗
@sarabee1995 yes it is. thank you.

Abstraction · 61-69, M
Sexual abuse of children is in every single organisation involving children.
* Schools
* Foster care
* Families (the institution with the most sexual abuse by a long way)
* Scouts
* Clubs
* Churches and other religious institutions
* Social work
* Sporting clubs
In every single case the instances of abuse are exceptional, not the norm.
Emosaur · 22-25, M
@Spoiledbrat ...I know, why bring it up so randomly? Lmao.

Also, will you stop voting Republican?
Emosaur · 22-25, M
@DarkHeaven Stop being a Christian if you have such a big problem with "abuse". Clearly you don't, you just don't like reality.
Abstraction · 61-69, M
@PrincessOfHell Not correct to make that statement about all churches. There was institutional coverup in the Catholic church which is appropriately well-publicised, but it did not occur in most catholic churches. If you want to call abuse institutionalised then you'd have to say schools: "A 1993 study performed by the American Association of University Women examined seventy-nine state schools in the United States and found that 9.6% of students reported sexual abuse by teachers in the school setting." This includes coverup within schools. It has a higher incidence than churches.
There has always been institutional coverup in schools, orphanages, churches, social work, disability workers, sporting clubs. "Potential perpetrators often choose educational or therapeutic professions or (voluntary) fields of activity that make it possible to approach children and adolescents easily and continuously. They benefit from the good reputation of the educational, religious or sporting institutions, which includes them through being employed there and the resulting trust that parents place in them." (
The greatest risk of sexual abuse is in the family, by a long way. You missed the point: it mostly happens [u]wherever [/u]people are in a position of trust. Singling out the church above other institutions doesn't equate with statistics.
SilkenMist · 46-50, F
Churches do not even pay tax anyways. At least LGBT folks are usually tax payers.

People talk about the "Delusions" of trans folks but you don't see much fuss about delusional christians who go to church on Sunday and thinking their souls is safe for the next seven days.

[quote]Since there is such a huge discourse around banning or restricting things to help protect children, (except guns of course) we should just ban church services outright, right? [/quote] That makes sense but then they would argue, "Well not all churches do that." Sounds familiar.

There are specific verses that forbid LGBT but apparently there are no verses saying that priests need to keep their hands off youth members. 🙄

Besides, the church is committing the biggest sin against humanity that exists - expecting them to get up early on Sunday morning. D*ck that!
MasterLee · 56-60, M
No. Your post is designed to upset people. Pedophiles are everywhere. Lock them all up. Pick up the pen.
BigGuy2 · 26-30, M
@MasterLee well said
Freeranger · M
@BigGuy2 Exactly man
The more I learn about this the more I can sympathize with china's crack down on religion. They wouldn't put up with that kind of shit. And I'm not even fond of china. But state atheism just makes sense sometimes.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, MVIP
@Emosaur Hey, so I'm going to have to step in and say not all Christians are like that. Some of them ignore Old Testament crap that goes against "love thy neighbor".
Emosaur · 22-25, M
@LordShadowfire The last two are from the New Testament.
@LordShadowfire I just follow Jesus.
Freeranger · M
Well....perfect. A school librarian or is that school board member(?) who herself has just been exposed/disciplined(?) for displaying obscene literature has chosen this website to lash out [i]here[/i] with no documentation regarding her contention, but then decides to grab a paint ball gun and pepper conservatives in general.
I mean shit girl, rock on. Now that you've exposed yourself [pardon the pun] with your true colors, regale me with your reaction perhaps of school "choice" about exposing young children to those drag queens.....or the indoctrination at a higher level to female mutilation for gender re-assignment.
Perfectly normal right? RIGHT??

Riiight.....If I were you, I'd go back to sleep. You're a nightmare.
BigGuy2 · 26-30, M
@Freeranger well said ... a Voice of Reason 👍👍👍

... the lamestream media has called these Drag Queen sessions 'family-friendly' and NO, i'm not joking
Emosaur · 22-25, M
@Freeranger Piece of shit.
Freeranger · M
@Emosaur ....and you're my toilet paper Holmes. Swiping...
specman · 46-50, M
How about we arrest the bad guy and prosecute him to the full extent of the law.
specman · 46-50, M
@Emosaur think however makes you get your rocks off!
Emosaur · 22-25, M
@specman Intelligently, unlike you? Sure.
specman · 46-50, M
@Emosaur whatever you say
Queendragonfly · 31-35, F
It's the perfect creep hideout. Where every leader is holier than thou while pointing fingers at others.

Most kids are forced to join services too when they can do any other activity that is more child appropriate.

I'd say forbid kids from churches and only let adults attend.

Because it means a lot to go to services for many people. Especially those who are older and alone. It's a community and a support for many.

But kids shouldn't go there for support since the risk of sexual abuse is so high.
Muthafukajones · 46-50, M
Freedom of religion so…

Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion nor restricting the free exercise therefore.

Perhaps the most spectacular words ever penned in civilization.
Emosaur · 22-25, M
@Muthafukajones But that does require state intervention in religion then, doesn't it? I mean, if you cannot legally kill a person for not being straight, but a religion tells its followers that that's okay and even good, the state is quite literally not allowing full religious freedom, is it?
Muthafukajones · 46-50, M
@Emosaur The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Emosaur · 22-25, M
@Muthafukajones So the state already does not allow full religious freedom, yes?
Ask Biden. He took inappropriate showers with his daughter. He's an expert on not protecting kids
blackdiamonds · 36-40, F
I say ban youth pastors and youth groups and no more altar boys
Mardrae · 56-60, F
I’d love to ban religion altogether!
BigGuy2 · 26-30, M
@Mardrae ... obviously you can't see what's happening - the cry will be "let's ban Christianity, but leave all other religions alone"
Jeephikelove · 46-50, F
I agree with you, it’s even higher up here in Canada, priests being identified (hopefully charged) as child sex abusers, so disgusting! I wish we had the death penalty up here.
Jeephikelove · 46-50, F
@revenant Religion is not needed, and the rest of your response makes no sense and has nothing to do with the reason for this suggestion. Are you saying you condone raping children????
revenant · F
@Jeephikelove do not twist my words and read again what you wrote.

I think I am being clear enough and do not need to have false words put into my mouth.
Jeephikelove · 46-50, F
@revenant 🙄👍
pdockal · 56-60, M
Why is it the fault of the religion and NOT the individual ?
pdockal · 56-60, M
Books can be preverted
Men (&women) can manipulate followers to their will
Unless you actually live the religion your an outsider and aren't qualified to comment unless you have a PHD in religious studies
@pdockal the books are written and kept by muslims. are you telling me reading and understanding a text is invalid unless you are phd? lol

that's why so many trust phdS during the covid scamdemic thats why so many are dying of cancer... from the gene therapy lol
@pdockal do you know anything about who Ibn ‘Abbâs is as an example?
BackyardShaman · 61-69, M
It’s fun to read the replies of narcissistic people here defending the Churches.
Emosaur · 22-25, M
@Spoiledbrat People could still join book clubs even if all religion were banned.

Also, will you stop voting Republican?
@Emosaur Religion can't be banned.
Emosaur · 22-25, M
@Spoiledbrat I know.
Also, will you stop voting Republican?
if you are going to close churches for that why did you forget the mosques? Christianity never thought to abuse kids but Islam does. so how come you ignore Muslims?
Emosaur · 22-25, M
I wouldn't say they should be banned, because that wouldn't make people stop being religious. Instead, I think churches should be expropriated and controlled by the state to make sure no sexual misconduct happens and that no misinformation is spread without being marked as such and corrected.
Emosaur · 22-25, M
@revenant The truth? Ah right, you guys are known to put feels over reals; any fact you don't like you reject. What ever happened to "facts don't care about your feelings"? 😂
revenant · F
@Emosaur you are just rambling nonsense as usual.

Your limited intelligence does not distinguish between nuances and nothing I can do about that.
Emosaur · 22-25, M
@revenant And there we have the projection... 😁
Adogslife · 61-69, M
Can you name a religion that treats women as equals? You’re either a subjugate to a man, or the faith, or both. And with that as the foundation, you “expect” them to treat the drag queens and lgbt well?

That just doesn’t compute, nor is it about politics.

I’m just happy that the “freedom of” religion also offers me the “freedom from”.

Furthermore, throw the offenders in jail. Maybe they’ll enjoy a good gang rape as penance.
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
@Adogslife Maybe like pagan religions that have equal reverence for female divinity? Any religion that stems from the patriarchy of Yaweh certainly not.
Miram · 31-35, F
Again, this is one of those things that people need to start fighting against in real life not online.

And demanding the religious to get rid of the bad apples within their groups.

What will instead happen is that they will target the thread and each other but that's about it.

So effing tiring to watch the same online idiotic gang mentalities over and over. Image over morality. Looking right over doing right.
@Miram 💯
BigGuy2 · 26-30, M
Shall we ban FIRST, lawmakers that are implementing laws stating that it's OK to have SEX will children ... then we go from there
@BigGuy2 No, it's conservatives who are sexually abusing and raping children. Here's a list.


Schools are not "pushing" kids to transition. There have always been trans kids; the reason you didn't know about it was until recently, they risked violence or even death if anyone found out.

More kids have been raped in church than at Drag Queen Story Hour.
BigGuy2 · 26-30, M
@LeopoldBloom you live in a quaint World if you think it's ONLY Conservatives that are Pedo's ... IF there has 'always' been trans kids, why exactly have parents just SUDDENLY woken up to all this ... are you stating that school/parent board meetings is a new concept
@BigGuy2 There seem to be a lot more conservative pedos.

The reason you're hearing more about trans people now is because they're not in as much danger of being murdered as they were in the past. People used to keep it hidden.
I have no opinion on it but i know one thing christians are the most pushy and judgmental people on this planet
BigGuy2 · 26-30, M
If you transpose 'Republicans' for 'Democrats' then your pathetic EXTREME LEFT WING diatribe WILL be more accurate
BigGuy2 · 26-30, M
@Emosaur ... look up the definition of the word 'your' first then get back to me
Emosaur · 22-25, M
@BigGuy2 Chill lol, just asked a question.
BigGuy2 · 26-30, M
@Emosaur 👍
Deflect, deflect, deflect. "Liberals are pedophiles." Meanwhile the Church is overrun with actual pedophiles. But that's where the Republicans get their votes. And then Gov. Sarah Sanders just signed legislation to end 90 years of child labor laws.
kodiac · 22-25, M
Banning churches won't stop it ,even though i think it's a good idea . A youth pastor gets caught gets what he deserves. A catholic priest gets caught he gets a free trip to the Dominican Republic where he continues to abuse .
Convivial · 26-30, F
Interesting observation... Hopefully the law will crack down on them
@Convivial that’s some big generalizations. But I do agree where a church was culpable… they should also be held to account… but only if they are culpable. None of us deserves to be guilty, merely by association.
Convivial · 26-30, F
@DarkHeaven just a thought on my part ...
@Convivial I’m just saying. I go to church. I have faith. This doesn’t represent us all. I volunteer at both the homeless shelter and soup kitchen where I live. That’s my message.
That's like shutting down the entire police force because of a few bad cops.
Emosaur · 22-25, M
@Spoiledbrat You fail to understand the concept of systemic issues. Even if all "bad cops" were instantly kicked out the police would still be a racist institution because that's the system it's based on. Likewise, Christianity will remain a sexist, homophobic and pro-rape religion even if all sexists, homophobes and rapists/sex offenders were removed from church.
badminton · 61-69, MVIP
The problem is people in a position of trust abusing that trust.
Someone some where is always going to abuse it. There is always going to be that one or few people that do because people are human. @badminton
Emosaur · 22-25, M
@Spoiledbrat You really don't want to understand.
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
We can't ban people's constitutional rights of free religion, but I think they should pay taxes.
revenant · F
Stuff happens in all faiths including Islam, Judaism , hinduism,
buddhism and whatnot.

For some reason you are intent on destroying christianity anyway.

the biggest threat are all those idiots who want to convince kids they have goddam I do not know how many genders
Emosaur · 22-25, M
@revenant This comment is a perfect example of why religion needs to be state controlled.
BackyardShaman · 61-69, M
Let’s make them pay their taxes along with regulations on what they’re preaching to society. Honestly the Church is an obvious magnet for Narcissists, gullible people, and racists.
The US loves churches. As far as I'm concerned it's all a bunch of lunatics. Sects and LGBT fanatics.
You can't ban churches just because of some people in them. That doesn't make sense.
Adogslife · 61-69, M
Take the Church and the guns.

And your pronouns…
Iforgotit · 56-60
That would be a great court case.. then civil war.
specman · 46-50, M
You causing problems again?
starmitz · 51-55, F
It's time for people to wake the fk up
RedBaron · M
What a dumb idea
Japrost · 36-40, M
How do you know it been 30
iamonfire696 · 36-40, F
@Imsleepy Here’s a list of the Right-Wing Sexual Predators, Abusers, and Enablers. Thought this may interest you and some others here.

Copy and paste the link to view it. It’s a long list.
@iamonfire696 @DarkHeaven Trans people are a convenient group to attack.

They're easily recognized by their distinctive dress and appearance.
There aren't many of them, so they're easy to gang up on.
People may be afraid to defend them, for fear of being attacked themselves.
They are accused of "corrupting society" just by existing.

Sound familiar? It's the same playbook the Nazis used against Jews in the 1930s.
iamonfire696 · 36-40, F
@LeopoldBloom You’re exactly right and I don’t want to live through that. History should not repeat itself.
@LeopoldBloom Take a misunderstood and already marginalized group, give them some kind of false epic powers (supposedly the media and judges forcing us to accept some Trans agenda that nobody can quite explain,) and then purport your group as the only ones to save us from this threat. It’s exactly like what happened to the Jews in Germany. Bigoted people tend to be bigoted to many groups, so the very marginalized trans community is the canary in the coal mine. It’s like I’ve said many times to my good trans friend. So go Trans rights, so go all minorities rights. Not that it’s right to persecute any group but anyone that thinks they will stop with Trans rights is very, very shortsighted.
uncalled4 · 51-55, M
Good luck with that. We have this freedom of religion thing. But your point is well-taken, there has been abuse that has been covered up and those people should PAY for their crimes as well as the higher-ups who enabled them, full stop.
@uncalled4 that I 💯 agree with.
Birdy1986 · 36-40, F
30 are you serious where’d you get that number from
LordShadowfire · 46-50, MVIP
Nope. If you start banning religions in this country, where does it end?
iamonfire696 · 36-40, F
It’s ironic that people are fine with labelling the LGBTQIA+ group as being a risk to children when there is plenty of evidence that there is so many sex crimes against children involving the church.

Why aren’t people actually interested in protecting kids? Why are you so worried about trans people?
Torsten · 36-40, M
@iamonfire696 child abuse is child abuse. You mentioned trans people as if that has no right to be in the discussion of child abuse and i corrected you on that.
You also claimed trans people are not sex offenders, I corrected you on that also

You mention abortions randomly but again kinda fitting. Cant claim you care about children when you support killing them before they are even born 🤷‍♂️

yeah child abuse and sexual assault happens in churches and I condemn that also.
I dont make excuses for it or try shifting the subject away from that and towards other child sexual abuse situations.
People who do that dont give a shit about children and dont try telling me different.
I am done with ya. Clearly there is no getting through to you. You're lost
iamonfire696 · 36-40, F
@Torsten you and I see things differently and there’s no getting through to you.

Please be done with me because you spew hate and are obsessed with talking about trans people which is so strange.

The 2 men that sexually abused me as a child were not Trans or gay, they were white straight men.

I feel sorry for you. Goodbye
Torsten · 36-40, M
@iamonfire696 uggh why does so many people do that? why do you all try playing the victim card when it has no place in the discussion?
I can play that game also if you like but I guess i hold myself to a much higher level.

I never claimed all sexual assault happens due to trans people. Lets get that straight right now. You bringing up your experience played no part in this discussion and was not some gotcha moment.
We have talked about it before though and you know how i feel about it but it plays no part in this convo.

You say i am obsessed with trans people. Yeah because its all constantly shoved in my face. Same with the lgbt stuff. its everywhere but if you actually read what i write you would see i am not against them in general, I am against certain things. But hey you are free to have that cult like mentality where if you dont support us in every single way, you are against us..

dont feel sorry for me. there is nothing to feel sorry about. Feel sorry for yourself if you are looking for somebody to put that shit onto
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exotic · 22-25, F
@revenant they aren't being serious but they're still an extremist. Any sane person would be able to realize that child abuse is a general issue, and pedophilia in relation to LGBT is debatable because some people find it inappropriate when children are exposed to things of an adult nature.

Regarding guns, does anyone ever question how much crime they prevent?
revenant · F
@exotic Exactly. You can see it with your first paragraph ! Nothing to add there.

I do not live in a gun country so I am pretty much drawing a blank there.
BigGuy2 · 26-30, M
@exotic ... we need to be asking the criminals "will you stop using guns if a Law banned all guns"

THINGS THAT WILL NEVER GET ASKED ... of criminals anyway
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Emosaur · 22-25, M
@Steve42 Another person who doesn't understand the concept of systemic issues.

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