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Monalisasmith86 · 36-40, F
They will just lie about their age
Sidewinder · 36-40, M
@Monalisasmith86 Anyone can have the potential to lie about anything.
Monalisasmith86 · 36-40, F
@Sidewinder I don’t lie i just didn’t know my age till tonight
Sidewinder · 36-40, M
@Monalisasmith86 I wasn't meaning what I said as an accusation, just as a general observation.

Anthony450 · 31-35, M
I understand the impulse, but social media and computer use seems like something parents should be regulating.

I also feel that social media is used as a scapegoat for various different problems young people are experiencing.
emiliya · 22-25, F
@Punches What do know? What is your experience?
Punches · 46-50, F
@emiliya Okay you are no kid, you are a mature, wise adult. Happy now?

BTW, when we get older and one of our elders calls us "kid", it is like, "WELLLL.... :D " and for a brief moment we don't feel 40 or even 50.

My experience - I have a son who is almost 30. Also some of my friends, I remember when they were expecting, they thought parenting would be easy, they were going to spend all this quality time, lay down the law when need be, just like the early television version of how families work...

But then when the child arrives, becomes a toddler, they find out it isn't like on TV where the parents are patient even though the kids messed up again, the kids feel regretful and ashamed of their actions, they learn their lesson, everyone is happy.

The thought is that kids might do something wrong ONCE but then learn their lesson - doesn't work like that.
emiliya · 22-25, F
@Punches This is about protecting our children. The social media sites are used by pedophiles who seek to engage children. It is common on Instagram, Snapchat, TikTok, and others. I have seen it on this site. Do you think children should be here? Children should not be left to use these sites. They are also exposed to other harmful things on social media. Social media takes them away from the family and it is a distraction. Why should the state not be concerned?
Greyjedi · M
He sounds pretty wise but, but that sounds pretty hard to enforce. I imagine a lot of kids get their parents to do stuff for them and thus could pretend to be their parent in simple steps. I know someone here who could could be pretending to be there parent. Kids don’t know restrictions are for their safety, they have undeveloped brains and do whatever they want and think they deserve to do whatever they want.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@Greyjedi Its basically the same as the gun control argument. Once its in the house, how do you control access..?😷
Greyjedi · M
@whowasthatmaskedman No, not quite there is a lot more to gun control.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@Greyjedi I accept that..I mean that once you have the internet in the home, the only person who can really enforce control is you..😷
jehova · 31-35, M
Any exceptions? Parents for example i know people that had their own kids at when they were 14. if working? i was taking college level courses in 8th grade at age 13. did i deserve social media access?
Also enforcement. Unlikely
What about SW? I dont share pictures or videos. SW is a discussion forum. Is it "social media"?
What about email, is that social media? Aim or facebook messenger?
Cannot watch tv;? That IS social media.
Such a declaration is very broad and largely unenforcable. Provincial rights? It should be up to parents! And 15 is unrealistic. Forcing this underground invites dangerous dealings.
Id say BAD IDEA.
Wise. Social media is not a replacement for real social connections, and adults (who I think know this while stuck on social media) should consider it smart to not have children stuck in a constant loop of needing attention; they already do so often.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
That's probably going too far and would certainly be very hard to regulate, but I can understand the problem.

The social[?]-media companies and the money-men who run the major ones, certainly should be made accountable for what happens on them. Remember we are the means to their commercial ends, not customers of their services. Their customers are the advertising-agencies, major retailers and any Tom, Dick or Harry who will buy the information.

When pressed about some wrongful activity, for example posts encouraging unhappy teenagers to kill themselves, as has happened, they try to wrigglel out of, try to whinge that "we have taken the posts down".

Not enough: the operators must DELETE ALL posts from the originator and any copiers, BAN those individuals permanently from any and all further use of the site, BLOCK the sending address, and send their identities to other social-media operators.

If the posts are encouraging outright criminal activity, failure to inform the Police as well should be regarded as assisting the crime; just as it is an offence to harbour a known offender from the Police.
Punches · 46-50, F
The only way to really enforce that is to require people to upload an ID or bank card to prove who they are.

Of course privacy concerns would follow. Many people concerned about their own privacy would leave the platforms.

I can understand why they would want to do it but overall, yet another govt overreach.
jehova · 31-35, M
Also this seems likely to isolate those under 15 to the extent it may prevent them reporting abuse they may be experiencing.
It would be best to create a social media plateform only for children. Then penalize adults that attempt to use it. Not the other way around.
Good luck attempting that.

How are you going to enforce it?


Also, shouldn't be prepared children for life? Not hide them from it?

I think you'll have a better chance at banning everyone under 15 from phones that connect to the Internet.
Convivial · 26-30, F
Donotfolowme · 51-55, F
I don't want my kid to be exposed to unwanted stuff on Internet but can we escape unless we understand the difference.
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calicuz · 56-60, M
It's his country, but ultimately up to the voters to decide.
emiliya · 22-25, F
It is a very good idea. I would change it to sixteen.

There is too much porn, pedophilia, “sexting”, and nonsense for children on social media. All children should be supervised by parents when using internet, and not permitted to own smartphones.
Convivial · 26-30, F
@emiliya agree totally with you there.. Put down the screens and play and socialise
emiliya · 22-25, F
@Convivial There is so much we can do with our children. What has happened to our imaginations? We can teach them to play, read, cook, draw, paint, swim, ride a bike...

We can go camping, have picnics, learn about nature, visit the beach, and more. Even those with limited means possess the simple resources to educate their children, the most important resource being our minds.
Convivial · 26-30, F
@emiliya agreed.... We farmed out our responsibilities to big business.... The same as we did with food...
MasterLee · 56-60, M
All for it
Sidewinder · 36-40, M
I'm not a kid and I don't live in France.
Musicman · 61-69, M
@Sidewinder So you don't have a problem then.
Sidewinder · 36-40, M
@Musicman Nope.

If I were a kid, living in France, in this day and age, only THEN, would I have a problem with it.
Ferise1 · 46-50, M
@Sidewinder fantastic response
Pretzel · 70-79, M
I think lots of kids will figure out how to beat the age verification
australias doing it now (in process)

they've taken ZERO efforts to ban porn for under 18s
the dark net
kiddy fiddlers.

but when it comes to controlling what young impressionable minds see politically. the government is jumping to action..

they know ppl hate them. don't want what they're selling.

gots to control the information...
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout Taking the easy way out perhaps? After all, such action is aimed at the country's own citizens, whereas most of the nasty stuff is from other countries so far more difficult to block. I wonder if it's possible to erect a firewall against the "dark web"?
tobynshorty · 51-55, F
He can put it out there but how to control is the next question
We see enough of that around here every day.

They know that we have a filter to block everything from minors under the age of 18, so now, they're all 18-21... though their about me or comments threads usually reveal that they are barely 13.
I can certainly understand why, but whether or not he’ll be able to actually do it is the question.
Elessar · 26-30, M
More importantly, they should ban it for kids over 45
exchrist · 31-35
That should be for social media plateforms to ensure compliance with not government regulatory agencies. Funding is tight enough already.
MoveAlong · 70-79, M
Another western democracy where the government wants to enter our homes and lives. People better start waking up.
DizzyDazzy · F
lol... a website asking you "are you 18" of course you say yes.. same with 15 or any other age
meJess · F
That he has no understanding of how easy it is to avoid a French system on the internet.
exchrist · 31-35
Maybe ban those under 15 from social media use during school hours? That seems far more realistic.
I'd have thought the French president would have been prioritising more urgent matters, tbh.
@Punches What is asinine?
Punches · 46-50, F
@jackieash Oh just how every week, there is some new silly scandal in the white house that blows over in exactly a week.
jehova · 31-35, M
@Punches its all to keep peoples attention on that while he is obviously flaunting the law. Its overwhelm strategy with strong distraction tactics. Obvious scam artist behavior.
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
Good luck enforcing that one.
WormMan · 56-60, M
Sounds like it would be hard to enforce
Musicman · 61-69, M
@WormMan Most definitely. Most kids lie about their age online.
WormMan · 56-60, M
@Musicman I just think of all the things I did as an underage kid
chrisCA · M
How would it be enforced?
Allelse · 36-40, M
They can try.
Musicman · 61-69, M
I completely agree. 👍🙂
Starcrossed · 41-45, F
Impossible to enforce. They'll lie about their age anyway.
Punches · 46-50, F
@emiliya Yes parents should supervise their kids on the web BUT no parent is going to have the time nor desire to hover 24/7. The moment a parent has to turn their back...
When the cat is away, the mice will play.

They can make all the laws and barricades they want, kids will find ways around it.
I do agree that a lot of social media probably is bad for, well, anyone, but it cannot be stopped.
Technology is ahead of the law and always has been.

One measure that they will likely use - one would have to upload a picture of their ID or somehow upload it to prove they are of age. People, especially young people, will just find ways around that.

People love it when they can transfer responsibility and blame onto the govt for why their kids are such a mess, UNTIL the govt's solution also restricts the parents. Then suddenly, hollers about privacy and rights happen.

I guess it is not possible now but I wonder what your arguments would be on this if you yourself were under whatever hypothetical age to use social media. I will give you this - I know your arguments would be strong.
emiliya · 22-25, F
@Punches Why would they not have the desire?

When the cat is away, the mice will play.

Dum felis dormit, mus gaudet et exsilit antro.

The real cats we are talking about are the pedophiles on the internet who are hunting children. They are vicious cats, vicious predators.

How will they find ways around ID requirement?

“I guess it is not possible now but I wonder what your arguments would be on this if you yourself were under whatever hypothetical age to use social media. I will give you this - I know your arguments would be strong.”

I had no interest in the sites most of the teenagers seem to enjoy. I am told I could be a model, but I never wanted to show myself off. Girls and boys are harmed by what they see on the internet. The internet can be used for great things. It can be used for knowledge. What happens when it is used by pedophiles, and used to make children more confused, more shallow, and unhappy? A child has no business being on social media.
Starcrossed · 41-45, F
Social media [messenger kids] was the only social outlet my child had during covid lockdown.

Using discord in 7th grade was the only way my kid could continue keeping in contact with her best friend who moved away.

Using social media was how my kid sold products to raise money for their scout troop.

Using social media is how my under 15 yr old connects with her girl scout troop mates as they work through earning their Silver Award.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
I think kids under 15 should be banned..😷
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
Not impressed.
YoMomma ·
Eh people should get a permit to use the internet imo 😅
nedkelly · 61-69, M
Australia is trying to do the same thing - waste of time
Je pense que c'est une très bonne idée, parce que les jeunes ont beaucoup de problèmes qui viennent de ces réseaux sociaux. Mais je ne vois pas comment on pourrait appliquer une telle loi pratiquement.
Punches · 46-50, F
@ThePatientAnarchist pas francaise, j'etude la langue. Je ne suis pas experte.
Punches · 46-50, F
@ThePatientAnarchist "On peut se tutoyer"... Ouais c'est bien. le concept de "vuvoyer" et "tutoyer" n'existe pas parmi des anglophones (J'habite aux Etats-Unis) alors, l'un ou l'autre.

En effet, je prefere "tutoyment" parce que les conugations des verbes sont plus facile.
Je sais, c'est parreseuse de moi. 😄

Tu sais les autres gens regardent notre conversation et pensent, "The h3ll are they on about?" 😁
@ThePatientAnarchist Bién sur ! J'aime les opportunités se pratiquer. Merci. 😊
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Ferise1 · 46-50, M
I have no idea what’s best for them. Maybe they should keep their innocence longer, but maybe they should evolve quicker. Who knows?

 
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